yeah, i mean these guys are aware of history to a certain extent and they are consciously trying to make something 'edgy' and 'new' that selectively references that history. and in the end they wind up just completely fucking with those sounds and having little sense of respect for the history of dance music
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link
see you dudes are good at making me WANT to like this stuff
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
this is gonna sound challopy so i'm sorry, but srsly what constitutes having respect for the history of dance music and why should someone dancing give a shit? also why are there like a billion genres of house lol XD
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
basically the same as what icecraem was sayin here
>>> and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right
― ice cr?m, Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
ok!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i duno, i think a lot of people don't give a shit and that's probably ok. it actually explains the appeal of this music to a certain category of people
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
can we not redo this kind of debate plz thnx -- see i think this stuff suxx but i dont care how much or little these dudes know about dance music history
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry deej!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
dont ruin deejs precious frankenstein dance thread
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i just want recommendations for ass-shaking jams
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
no no u dudes are fine im just not wanting to hear from guys who think the problem is kids these days, they just dont KNOW or CERTAIN PEOPLE who just care about FASHION instead of MUSIC or whatever it was going on upthread
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
black ass thread for Confounded xp
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
to this day i just assume confounded is the man photographed hereblack ass thread for Confounded
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
would make sense considering the caption
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
deej = #1 thread robocop
― Bomb Sackantino (J0rdan S.), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
what do you know
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
xp --- what are u talking about j0rdan weve moved on to discussing the black ass thread
quit talking about a funny dude and get back to work discussing frankensteinish dance music and what the hell is up with it anyway
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
chill gbx i was cool with good times jokez too
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i was under the impression we had *work* to do
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
yes. getting chicks to make out with each other.
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
ay this thread got good again
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
hows lol med school
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
sup joe, sup evan, sup jordan
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
lol finals next week :-/
but i'm killing time trying to play with traktor, hence my interest in quality jamz
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
have u heard this song called 'day and night (crookers remix)'? what do you think
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right
this stuff seems to be positioned against the intensely emotional and weird, and that's part of the appeal, isn't it? one is not supposed to give a fuck about anything. big beat looks like the progenitor, but instead of the drunken hooligan vibe it's more like ADHD carelessness
― goole, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
wiat that's the one with the guy in the convenience store with the babes
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
only on a purely aesthetic level though, which is the point i didnt make well.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!
well, i don't know what "a purely aesthetic level" is or would be like ... but i think the sense i get is that these guys have absorbed the dogma that what's thrilling about pop music is a lack of pretension, tossed-off-ness, not caring about rules, the right to be trashy, the ephemeral-ness of it, etc etc
it sort of sounds to me like they read a simon reynolds article on the greatness of early rave music and decided to build on that, almost by intentionally making all of the "bad taste" mistakes they can
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm thinking specifically of, like, jokers of the scene and so on when i write this.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
punk has a lot to answer for imo
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah and a lot of this stuff has day glo aesthetics straight from the post-JW noise scene
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
not a coincidence that people listen to this stuff also listen to like, crystal castles and whatnot
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty cool that this scene has made making shitty music a really truly democratic thing -- cant really blame patriarchy or racism as this stuff is being embraced across the spectrum
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
there are so many dj's all of the sudden
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
post-JW noise scene?
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i like day glo!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
noise scene way down hill after jw died ;_;
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
wait so was he really banned? i guess i haven't been paying attn
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i33.tinypic.com/900tab.gif
― Moka, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link
but rave's committment and sense of mission looks almost bolshevik compared to the attitude here
i've been to a couple of nights like this and by far the best thing i heard was "energy flash" into "the rhythm of the night." it was pretty intensely emotional and weird to me.
― goole, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link
big beat looks like the progenitor, but instead of the drunken hooligan vibe it's more like ADHD carelessness
reading this thread actually makes me remember a little essay I tried to write in 1996 or really early 1997 about how 90% of jungle was crap because most folks making it only knew how to do one thing with the sampler and weren't interested in any of the other possibilities
which you can kind of say the same thing for tons of genres all the way back to jazz and rock & roll, these musics are ostensibly about seeking out and experimenting with the new, not ripping off DJ Elin's trashy autorepeat idea a decade late and with nothing else to show
― El Tomboto, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^ cred points added for mentioning auto repeat
^^^ cred points deducted for not calling them "CHEAP" ideas
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
if this were 1992 we could be having this argument on a BBS about how all these kids with their mod trackers were not getting the point of industrial
― El Tomboto, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
if this were 1992 everything would be more authentic
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
lol handbag
― El Tomboto, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ifihavent.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/djshadow_source591.jpg?w=370
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I am trying to picture the target audience and setting for this stuff in Chicago. What kind of crowds and clubs is this music being consumed in?
― that song on a freebie compilation I got when I ordered a pizza. (Display Name), Monday, 8 December 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
the wrath of the math
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I kinda want to make an excel graph plotting the decline of realness over time against world population growth and increase in average annual temperature
― El Tomboto, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link