no not righteous but i guess i was thinking about the drug difference between coke and e and then I was thinking, well, it makes sense for 1985 on but what about disco? i wasn't around for disco proper but i have a lot of those records, and, they don't sound anything like electroclash orblog house and i dont mean in terms of synths. there was a different spirit in disco, so i guess i was trying to make that contrast by pointing out the difference in attitude between singers ad lyrics even though i didnt explicitly mention the more communal and loving vibe of salsoul.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
the difference in attitude, if it exists, is probably more attributable to political context and the cultural positions of the producers of the music than it is to the drugs
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
yes. i meant exactly that but am writing backwards it seems.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
i a sick and my brain is not working very well but i have some friends who are into this music and i wonder about it a lot so i thought i would wager a guess. maybe tomorrow i can explain myself better.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
re your point #1 - i don't agree, i think the ironic thing is that people like the DJs and producers who make this music are probably more aware than anybody else of all of the minutiae of chicago house, detroit techno, UK hardcore and rave, etc etc.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
it seems like the kind of thing DJs are just 'into' and theres nothing that can be done. i tend to avoid clubs that play stuff like this but it still gets slipped in, even DJs who start off playing rap music end the night w/ this kind of shit.
i don't know, i think of it as the end result - or maybe just the current state - of a morbid fascination with remix / mixtape / mashup culture. maybe that's why its popular with DJs?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link
is it really a morbid fascination?
― some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
sort of
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i think there really is a drive to make some of this stuff unpleasant. if you check out turntable lab they use "obnoxious" and "ridiculous" all the time as positive descriptors for fidget house
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe i should have said "unhealthy fixation"
"re your point #1 - i don't agree, i think the ironic thing is that people like the DJs and producers who make this music are probably more aware than anybody else of all of the minutiae of chicago house, detroit techno, UK hardcore and rave, etc etc."
only on a purely aesthetic level though, which is the point i didnt make well.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, i mean these guys are aware of history to a certain extent and they are consciously trying to make something 'edgy' and 'new' that selectively references that history. and in the end they wind up just completely fucking with those sounds and having little sense of respect for the history of dance music
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link
see you dudes are good at making me WANT to like this stuff
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
this is gonna sound challopy so i'm sorry, but srsly what constitutes having respect for the history of dance music and why should someone dancing give a shit? also why are there like a billion genres of house lol XD
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
basically the same as what icecraem was sayin here
>>> and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right
― ice cr?m, Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
ok!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i duno, i think a lot of people don't give a shit and that's probably ok. it actually explains the appeal of this music to a certain category of people
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
can we not redo this kind of debate plz thnx -- see i think this stuff suxx but i dont care how much or little these dudes know about dance music history
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry deej!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
dont ruin deejs precious frankenstein dance thread
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i just want recommendations for ass-shaking jams
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
no no u dudes are fine im just not wanting to hear from guys who think the problem is kids these days, they just dont KNOW or CERTAIN PEOPLE who just care about FASHION instead of MUSIC or whatever it was going on upthread
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
black ass thread for Confounded xp
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
to this day i just assume confounded is the man photographed hereblack ass thread for Confounded
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
would make sense considering the caption
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
deej = #1 thread robocop
― Bomb Sackantino (J0rdan S.), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
what do you know
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
xp --- what are u talking about j0rdan weve moved on to discussing the black ass thread
quit talking about a funny dude and get back to work discussing frankensteinish dance music and what the hell is up with it anyway
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
chill gbx i was cool with good times jokez too
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i was under the impression we had *work* to do
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
yes. getting chicks to make out with each other.
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
ay this thread got good again
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
hows lol med school
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
sup joe, sup evan, sup jordan
― beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
lol finals next week :-/
but i'm killing time trying to play with traktor, hence my interest in quality jamz
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
have u heard this song called 'day and night (crookers remix)'? what do you think
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right
this stuff seems to be positioned against the intensely emotional and weird, and that's part of the appeal, isn't it? one is not supposed to give a fuck about anything. big beat looks like the progenitor, but instead of the drunken hooligan vibe it's more like ADHD carelessness
― goole, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
wiat that's the one with the guy in the convenience store with the babes
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
― Shh! It's NOT Me!
well, i don't know what "a purely aesthetic level" is or would be like ... but i think the sense i get is that these guys have absorbed the dogma that what's thrilling about pop music is a lack of pretension, tossed-off-ness, not caring about rules, the right to be trashy, the ephemeral-ness of it, etc etc
it sort of sounds to me like they read a simon reynolds article on the greatness of early rave music and decided to build on that, almost by intentionally making all of the "bad taste" mistakes they can
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm thinking specifically of, like, jokers of the scene and so on when i write this.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
punk has a lot to answer for imo
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah and a lot of this stuff has day glo aesthetics straight from the post-JW noise scene
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
not a coincidence that people listen to this stuff also listen to like, crystal castles and whatnot
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty cool that this scene has made making shitty music a really truly democratic thing -- cant really blame patriarchy or racism as this stuff is being embraced across the spectrum
― deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
there are so many dj's all of the sudden
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
post-JW noise scene?
― psychgawsple, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i like day glo!
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
noise scene way down hill after jw died ;_;
― Lafayette Lever hi wtf (ice cr?m), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
wait so was he really banned? i guess i haven't been paying attn
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link