The ILC Favourite Characters Of All Time

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Who's Jing Lorean?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The Bizarro Mrs. Atom Who Has Brainprints On Her Shoes.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

How come no one nominated her?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Because Identity Crisis #7 wasn't out during the nomination process!

c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

tom i could've sworn i sent you a comment on crumb! sadly it looks like i didn't keep a copy of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I did my usual quick search but I didn't see anything, maybe it was buried lower down in your email :( I will have another look and repost tomorrow.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

JD on RC!!! (sorry JD)

"Crumb’s only real character was himself; only the
hilarious sharpster Mr Natural came close to having a
life apart from his creator. Crumb’s early attempts at
self-analysis now seem dated and self-indulgent, but
by the ‘80s he’d evolved into a great artist, fully
capable of stepping back to fully appreciate his own
nature – that of a rather unpleasant and neurotically
self-absorbed man."

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

33. The Thing (Fantastic Four)

(81 points)

http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/games/ps2/action/fantastic_four_ben_grimm.jpg

"Great visuals, and balances angst and gags better than any Marvel hero." (Pete)

"It breaks my heart to say this considering how much I love Jack Kirby, but was there ever a more annoying whiner in the entire history of comics? Get over it already!" (JD)

The Thing is the finest example of a particular Kirby type - the tough reg'lar guy who Gets Things Done. Think Dum Dum Dugan or Terrible Turpin, and then give them rocks. Muscular, street-level, simply heroic, he's almost like the last Golden Age hero as well as one of the lynchpins of the Marvel Age - though the "why am I a monster?" plot could really have done with being dropped after FF#51, rather than remaining as fallback characterisation ever since. He's also a bullshit detector and a guide to the outlandish, and almost any time he's in a 'serious' story his character doesn't work - what more could you ask for?

Greatest Moment: "I know everybody loves "This man, this monster", but to me, the best-written Ben Grimm would be the one Mark Waid did, especially in the last issue of his run. That issue also features my favorite Reed Richards ever." (iodine)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

he's also JEWISH!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Would've thought Ben would be higher. Reed best not beat him.

chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Two jews in a row!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There are still 6 more (if I've got my who-created-whats right) Kirby characters to come.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

32. Jessica Jones (Alias)

(82 points)

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/max/bitmaps/jessicajones.jpg

"Hard smoking, hard drinking, lumpily drawn." (Pete)

Greatest moment: "Explaining that she can fly, yeah, she's just always had some trouble landing..." (Douglas Wolk)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Goody Rickels!

xpost

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not able to provide any commentary on Jessica J, really. From the issues of The Pulse I read she seemed nice enough!

I like Reed more than Ben btw.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are great succinct comments on J.J.

Ben Grimm is Jewish? That never occurred to me.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/images/Thing_01.jpg

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought that was all one panel and Ben and Other Character were playing some kind of tabletop game!

Black panel borders: dud.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

haha!

still... greatest comic book punchline ever?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, two in a row. I should describe Marvel characters for a livin'.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

31. Dr Manhattan (Watchmen)

(83 points)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/DrManhattan.jpg

Alan Moore's take on a cosmically powered supercharacter is at heart a standard what-is-this-thing-called-emotion story arc (tho with a last issue twist of sorts) but Dr M is so well realised you hardly care. His mechanistic perspective on the universe maps nicely onto the hyperformalism of Watchmen, and what's more he was naked for pretty much the whole series.

Greatest Moment: "Watchmen #4 in its entirety" (Vic F)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

still... greatest comic book punchline ever?

Haha, yes.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

A quick refresher course now we're (ahem) halfway through

60. Opus
59. Roy Race
58. Corto Maltese
57. Martian Manhunter
56. Guy Gardner (Giffen/DeM)
55. Spider-Man (Dan Slott)
54. Acid Archie
53. Manhog
52. Mo
51. Black Lois Lane
50. Spider Jerusalem
49. Optimus Prime
48. Flex Mentallo
47. Marv
46. Darkseid
45. Hellboy
44. Mek-Quake
43. Tharg The Mighty
42. Mona Lisa Ludacristits
41. A Homosexual
40. Cassidy
39. Tara Chace
38. Robotman (Grant M)
37. Wally West Flash
36. Astoria
35. Emma Frost
34. Robert Crumb
33. The Thing
32. Jessica Jones
31. Dr Manhattan

"Stand by" for #30 on!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll be holding my breath.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Do I have time to make popcorn?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"Back in the Spring"

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Still no Bibbo.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the artwork for Jessica Jones, I think, and know nothing about the character or series. School me, if needed, please.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

My take on Dr Manhattan: "Look out below, big blue swinging penis comin' thru."

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris P - check this thread out to get schooled: Explain me Alias

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 April 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

30. Beast (X-Men/Avengers)

(88 points)

http://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/xmen_beast.jpg

"One of the few marvel mutant characters to break out of the narrow field and into the larger fictional world, he's changed with the times, remaining on, or at least slightly behind, the forefront of cool. Early experiments with 'beat culture' changed to full-on hippiedom, drinking and 'alleged' smoking of dope. When the mutant comics became angst-filled, meandering plots-that-go-nowhere coolfests, he was there too, tragically losing his supermind by degrees before being replaced by his own evil twin from an alternate Earth! And for the new century, he reinvented himself again as a smooth-talking metrosexual." (Vic F)

"If the X-Men, more than about race or sexuality, are about plain old-fashioned teenage alienation, surely Hank McCoy is one of the best role models the series can muster. He’s been dealt one hell of a rough hand – unlike most of his fellow mutants, his powers are not hidden and he doesn’t look like an extra from “Melrose Place” – and yet he whines about it considerably less than most of his colleagues. Which pays off – first x-man to join the Avengers, respected member of the scientific community, Beast has adapted to real life as well as anyone in his crew. The Marvel universe’s proof that you can be both a giant nerd and the life of any party, and that smarts, wit and bonhomie make up for a hell of a lot." (Daniel_Rf)

Greatest Moment: "At the Coffee-A-Go-Go he is made king of the
Beat-niks. His road to ruin begins here."
(Vic F)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I am glad to see the Beast do this well. If we were to do the poll now I wonder how much of the Morrison halo effect would have lingered.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

My take on The Beast: "Look out below, big blue swinging penis comin' thru."

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris, I can mail you the first two Alias trades!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

huh, where'd you get those?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

29. Daredevil (Daredevil)

(89 points)

http://www.grovel.org.uk/reviews/darede01/darede03.gif

The Stan Lee Daredevil is yr standard garish romp, twin brothers and fights with the likes of the Owl. But - maybe accidentally, maybe alchemically - Lee had hit on a character with massive symbolic freight: a lawyer, a vigilante, living the high life, from the mean streets, and get this he's blind! The result is the hero probably best able to sensibly carry the weight as comics got darker and grittier - DD's campy past never preys on him like it does on Batman, there's rarely the lurking shadow of the ludicrous. Which means that when Daredevil's comics get grim it doesn't feel so affected. Of course this might be hindsight because Miller and Bendis did what they did so well - but it seems to me that they found something that was already there.

Greatest Moment: Playing russian roulette with a comatose Bullseye (Daredevil #191) (I think this was Leee's pick)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget Ann Nocenti's DD! I think we discussed it on some other thread, but as a kid that was pretty mind-blowing to me (moreso than Miller's run). I mean, it had all the freaky stuff like Ultron and Lucifer and the descent to Hell, yet it all somehow played to the strength of the character, though in a very different way than Miller's take.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, such an overlooked run. Marvel really need to collect it.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wuv Nocenti's DD, even though re-reading it it's *really* overwritten sometimes. But in a good, ambitious way.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that daredevil trade by miller and mazzuchelli (is it born again) is about the most riveting cominc book i've read, in terms of pacing.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Sunday, 23 April 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

28. Silver Surfer (Fantastic Four etc.)

(89 points)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/silver-surfer/silver-surfer-movie.jpg

In Kirbyworld, the Surfer was a cold, alien figure incapable of understanding human emotion yet capable of sacrificing his freedom to save the human race – a postmodern take on the Christ story. In Stan Lee’s hands, he was a bit more mundane, and prone to sleep-inducing lectures – yet the fascination of the character remained. (JD)

Greatest Moment: Over to you!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(My own opinion is "Silver SuXoR more like" - fantastic design, but beyond his first appearance a pretty drab character.)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought Silver Surfer in the 80s 'cause I thought he was Iceman from the Spiderman cartoon.

I was probably a bit thick in the 80s.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

High point = being completely sidelined during the recent Defenders series.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

While sporting the bug-eyed Communion look!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always found the Silver Surfer to be deathly dull. How can he be higher place than THE THING!!!

Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't the whole thing about Silver Surfer is that he LOOKS really cool, but is actually about as interesting as a Joe Satriani album?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(by which I mean, hey, yeah, I actually remember buying one or two Silver Surfer comics in the 80s--during my little discussed Marvel-curious phase--and, ugh)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Greatest Moment: In the first issue of the Engelhart Silver Surfer, when he realizes he can escape the Earth by just doing some cosmic atomical hoonja-doonja w/ his boogie board (thanks to the Thing!), and then zzzzips into the cosmos courtesy of some great Marshall Rogers splashpage work. SMILING! I LOVE IT! And then Mantis hops on board a few issues later, and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzork.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

27. Blue Beetle (JLI Version)

http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/BlueBeetleJLA380.jpg

(91 points)

From Steve Ditko's faux-Spider-Man to Giffen & DeMatteis's most sympathetic character, Ted Kord spoke to the insecurities in all of us. And for that, we killed him like a Kennedy. (Huk-L)

I don’t think I’ve ever gotten as angry about the offing of a fictional character as I did when DC decided to do away with Blue Beetle. How to justify such emotional investment? The best that I can come up with is that, unlike Booster Gold say, Blue Beetle isn’t just a moderately pleasant clown: he’s the prankster that reads Chekov, the c-list character that, precisely because of his mediocre status, often ends up looking a lot more heroic than Superman, Batman or any of the other big guns. (Daniel_Rf)

Greatest Moment: Meeting Catherine Cobert for the "first" time in JLA #8, "Moving Day" (Iodine)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link


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