i meant 'put it' in the sense of a place to post videos & discuss the song on ilm i.e. ppl posting gold panda videos itt also
also lol @ 'lumped in' i guess, contra ilm, this is a place where mentioning a song along side 'chillwave/indie' is not some kind of aspersion but a compliment
― F♯ A♯, Red♯ Blue♯ (Lamp), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
even tho chillwave is mostly abt 80's vibes/samples, the 50's (60's?) sample in punch drunk love works just as well employed to the same effect. like, music played at a skating rink or at a thrift store lol
― flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
well part of what i think is rad is that theres the effect of the sample itself - the sound, the sentiment it conveys - but it also gets framed again by so obviously referencing kanye its kinda like what plax talks about where the intent isnt just to reference something 80s but also contextualize it & talk about its delivery &c &c. so instead of nodding at vhs or tv broadcasts theyre referencing early 00s hip hop, acknowledging the layers of media that surrond and influence things/creating distance e.g. "revelling in the gap between you & yr muse&content," or as plax indicates the "tools used in the production recreate what the artists are trying to do emotionally: the impossible task of trying to recreate the past from these faded fragments"
i mean i think its a really beautiful song but part of why it appeals to me aside from its formal qualities is the way it uses these techniques common to chillwave trax to also comment on the emotional purpose of the song, to recreate for the listener the emotional context theyre interested in
― F♯ A♯, Red♯ Blue♯ (Lamp), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
spring is happening
― Lamp, Sunday, 6 March 2011 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
8> <8 8> <8 8> <8 8> <8 8> <8 8> <8 8> <8 8> <8
― plax (ico), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
missed u arouned here l8ly, hope london is treating you well...
every moment repeats itself endlessly, but nothing lasts 4ever
― Lamp, Friday, 11 March 2011 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i guess thats a sort of lazy binary, trading in pseudo profundity, but i still think that tension is really interesting, really complicating. in one of the lucksmith songs i linked he sings about "the days ive thrown away & the hours i am keeping" & i think thats an important dichotomy btw seeing time as endless & unvarying and yet feeling overwhelmed by impermanence, by the weight of time passing. again the present is this listless expanse like the sunny july day @ the water in that julia kent piece, but the past & future are lurking...
― Lamp, Friday, 11 March 2011 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
― «( «_«)» zzzz «(«_« )» (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk i might have already posted this, not chillwave but that hasnt really bothered any of us so far so w/e. was thinking abt how this (cassette only lol) release by aybee kindof elides w/ the housier end of chillwave. The hiss of mystical new age meditation tapes found in a charity shop bin. was thinking about house and ambient house and music as a functional thing and how that intersects w/ these meditation tapes and how this functionality is in some way linked w/ the kind of invocation that chillwave seems haunted by. creating a space for (x). The connection/disconnection between mind and body, body and sign. A heartbeat rising from inside the machine.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
― B0hn J. (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah this star slinger record is really fun
― Dominique, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
my mom's hanging w/toro y moi right now
― jaxon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ico, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
momz just like to chill
― ♞/♘ (Lamp), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
every night/the same party
― ♞/♘ (Lamp), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
so jax howd your mom like toro y moi should i go to the show in a couple weeks?
also plax i emailed you abt some stuffffff
thinking abt the debacle that the weeknd thread turned into; tryna keep it chill w/o keeping it vacant searching for the throughlines in the stuff i dig, in the way things unfold themselves & sing of their secret selves
― i always think about you (Lamp), Friday, 25 March 2011 06:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
lamp i didnt get any emails abt stuffff
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 March 2011 08:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Chillwave the new balearic.
Who is that youtube above?
Gonna go meet my therapist for the first time.
― bamcquern, Friday, 25 March 2011 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
ive been craving chillwaves pop moment lately, & missing the cautiously upbeat sentiments buried under tape hiss & delays that i was hearing in some of the trax from last year. idk here are five tracks ive really been listening too this month, sorry if thats sorta self-agrandizing
dale earnhardt jr. jr. - nothing but our love
this is 'older' at least in the universe of five blog posts a day + unlimited mediafire d/lers but i keep coming back to this song - its central sentiment of 'dont try/dont try so hard/my love is easy' and the way the track squiggles and sways against the vocal harmonies makes me sad but i like how self-aware & essentially knowing the singer is. 'we get more than we deserve' indeed
cool runnings - i am you (starslinger remix)
dominique & the new star slinger ep reminded me of this song, which i think is fantastic. the remix adds the echo & as much space as the endless blue sky but ties it the simplest thump. its a good example of how 'chillwave' songs can use static structures & a 'poor' range to make something catchy & pop & feeling
peaking lights - key sparrow
the titular sparrow is 'much too common' & 'nothing special' but this is my fave track on the new album & its laidback sunny melancholy is perfectly pitched imo. a hazy ode to trying and failing, a recognition of limitations
young athletes leauge - glossed over
haha kinda dont have much to say abt this i think the bones of the track sound like the sorta thing u cld make on the playstation two mtv music generator game
death and vanilla - ghosts in the machine
a friend told me that this is a p direct reference of some 80s thing but i cant remember what she sd. i hear a noir morricone filtered through early english dream pop. i dont think it really matters tho bcuz this is such a perfect marriage of emotional intent & technical skill the track just glides. i think its really beautiful
― Lamp, Thursday, 31 March 2011 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like the death & vanilla stuff a lot
― men at work choices (electricsound), Thursday, 31 March 2011 03:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
have you heard the new peaking lights? i think youd dig it quite a bit. ive cooled a bit on the puro instinct record although i think theres still some great stuff there
― Lamp, Thursday, 31 March 2011 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's in my list to check out
― men at work choices (electricsound), Thursday, 31 March 2011 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
i no its already bloggd out but 4 posterity
― 松 (▩ ▨ ▧ ▦ ▥ ▤ ▣) ☃ ☃ oooh ive been so good this year (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
may have been posted before, but this came to me in a dream last night and now I just can't. stop. repeating!
― V79, Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah the star slinger record is one my favorites right now. that and the forma record are the only really chillwave-y things that ive been listening to, really. unless i can shoehorn in selebrities 'secret garden' :/
man i miss plax so much :////
― funperson (Lamp), Friday, 13 May 2011 04:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dont know if anyones even still reading this thread but:
new archers by the sea cassette on blackest rainbow:
dead gaze's somewhere else 7":
also two releases that i cant find vidz for: jonas reinhardt has something coming out on nnf that seems promising (cosmic synth meditations) & the wyrd visions/castlemusic split lp particularly the castlemusic side which is incredible chillfolk
― ᵉ( ᷅ʷɣʷ)ᵊ (Lamp), Friday, 20 May 2011 06:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Defo still reading this thread Lamp, enjoying most of your contributions thoroughly. U R NOT ALONE
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 20 May 2011 09:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
should maybe start a new thread so it doesnt end up in the chllwve genre ghetto but the new com truise album is out soon & is p fukken good:
― ᵉ( ᷅ʷɣʷ)ᵊ (Lamp), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh also i bought that jonas reinhardt album on sunday (BRAGGIN) but havent really had much of a chance to listen to it... also picked up a new celer release on blackest rainbow :D
― goon.ru (Lamp), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
jonas reinhardt album
the one on not not fun? it's good, though it's not quite as impressive as the last kranky one
― imagine arse (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
thinking too much lately abt the difference btw thinking & doing/feeling & knowing & all the lost spaces btw 90s r&b and dance music & the current fuzz of low interest buzztapes where ppls betrayed confidences and better intentions mark their graves and mistakes w/ black flag logos
pseduomythic gangsters in last years dresses
i miss the ocean....
― 001 (Lamp), Monday, 30 May 2011 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
this feels like it belongs here
― private parts & labia (electricsound), Thursday, 2 June 2011 23:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
^jonas reinhardt remixing cut copy
― private parts & labia (electricsound), Thursday, 2 June 2011 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I quite like Jonas Reinhardt and that remix is great. Thanks for posting that.
― van smack, Thursday, 2 June 2011 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
have u heard this album belong - common eraits mb more darkwave or something than chillwave but really beautiful & good, the vocals are breathy & lush though not evil at all. apparently they have been around for a while making ambient stuff, some long moments of that. there might be a million albums of stuff that sounds just like this (esp today) but, i haven't heard it. kind of perfect very simple, so few constituents & a really constant but deep movement thruout
― flopson, Thursday, 9 June 2011 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think i might have given a cursory listen 2 the belong album a few months ago but if i did it failed to leave much of an impression. will give it another go since its on my hd
flopson have u heard the grimes chicks stuff? is she big in mtl?
― ideas are death (Lamp), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do like grimes stuff, i bought a cdr a while ago that is pretty good cant seem to find it. only time i hear chillwave atmospherically here is on the pa at the loft where i first saw her, & seems to be more & more going on there lately. sounds more like 90s trip hop to me than most stuff here. my fav local chillwave thing is d'eon, sometimes pretty clubby & silly, 90s house, breakbeats, some of its close to the starsling stuff upthread
― flopson, Monday, 13 June 2011 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
ive only heard a coupla d'eon trax but i liked their knew-age atmosphere. yeah grimes isnt really 'chillwave' but you were here & i was here & the only other darkwave threads are like hysterical whinegasms w/ ALL CAPS SARCASM soooo
― Lamp, Monday, 13 June 2011 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
time wharp - 1992
really feeling this guys stuff lots of interest in the intersection of memory/technology. some of his more recent stuff is p abrasive but i think this song is kinda ~pop~
ghost mountain aka stephen farris - eye rings
dude has a new vhs out (!!) but this is still my favorite thing hes done that ive heard~ kinda in line w/ that star slinger/clams casino/true panther sounds playing with breakbeat thing. not really exceptional but its fun
john maus - believer
still not sure how i feel about this record but this song is a total jam. actually have been thinking about it a lot but idk
― google butt (Lamp), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't know if this guy fits in here but he's friends with john maus on myspace?
― no fear, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 07:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
like the john maus it's like joy division meets neu 86
― no fear, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 07:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
john maus has been mentioned by so many people whose taste i find terrible that i am flabbergasted it is not completely awful, that song above is quite good indeed
― oh shit a behringer (electricsound), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
this band vondelpark i've been loving them like a lot. I feel like i want to start a thread about them but they've just released a couple of things. they live just up the road from me in peckham apparently but they have this shrouded in tumblr internet-absence thing going on so I dont actually know what they look like or anything. this song reminds me of staying up to watch movies on tv at my parents house during the summer holidays. like when the house is quiet and dark but everything feels close and humid. it feels bleary eyed and yearning. Its feeding into the feelings i'm having about this summer a lot and in a way i don't think i can articulate right now.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought it was just one guy?
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
mars waters - where the sun sets
i guess 'surf rock' is kinda a big thing now but its p subtle here, just a steady and wistful thud, feel like this spots the comfort and wonder in being 'totally generic'
borden, ferraro, godin, nalo & lopatin - twilight pacific
space and time are two different things ooooh space and time are two very different things...
pedro magina - kickflip
have i posted this before? this tape is one my fave things so far this year, squelchy and mournful synth jamz layer on layer
― funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this (Lamp), Friday, 5 August 2011 01:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pedro Magina tape is on Spotify (shockingly):
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 5 August 2011 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why do Ford & Lopatin get tagged as chillwave? I seriously dont' understand that at all.
― Clarke B., Friday, 5 August 2011 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
this probably is more of tumblr post but its origins are in ilx so:
i've been thinking a fair bit about the discussion/argument that i had w/ whiney on i guess another thread about the value of 'chillwave' & particularly about the way 'nostalgia' functions as an important emotional and aesthetic throughline w/in the 'genre'. upthread i ref'd lovecraft saying 'the past is real. it's all there is' & i think this is vital to understanding in large part whats attractive/'relevant' about chillwave/the larger cultural moment. like i was reading robertson davies today and he was saying something about how 'history is the way we make sense of the present' but how do we make sense of a present that is largely indistinguishable from the past?
this evening i was djing a party where they wanted '90s classics' and it was both disconcerting and unremarkable to see ppl barely out of their teens dancing along to mid-90s house classix; there was little to no divide btw the people who might be old enough to remember the songs i was playing fondly & the people for whom these songs should have little personal/historical meaning... isnt one of the consequences of technology to help divorce cultural artifacts from history? or put another way: if i still have access to the cultural products and ephemera of my childhood via youtube, torrents, ebay &c &c isnt my affection/consumption of them essentially present-tense?
i mean plax has been smarter/more eloquent about this but i think the more retro-steeped parts of 'chillwave' are partly about confronting a past that constantly surrounds us and dealing w/ the difference in emotional states btw 'then' and 'now'. or more clearly in talking about how the past never leaves us both emotionally (we still have access to those memory/feelings) or culturally (i still hear/see those songs/vidz) it makes explicit how pervasive our personal histories are, and how lonely that feels. taking the new washed out record for example i think you can hear this lack of delineation btw modern/historical - the music doesnt really seem to speak formally of any specific moment in time while also sounding vaguely 'dated'. but also taking the lazier, more direct signifier type of thing e.g 'i named my band MIRCO MACHINES remember MICRO MACHINES' this is also a kind of confirmation, of course i remember micro machines, i could buy them on ebay if wanted, theres no mystery or distance but a basic affirmation. i think whiney would probably scoff at this but when our shared culture is so fragmented that kind of confirmation, that we exist at the same time, is kinda valuable/meaningful?
i quoted proust too itt but this isnt about creating madelines but about erecting signposts in a time when memory and experience are almost interchangeable. & this all comes back to my posts about anxiety, in this equation the future stands resolutely outside our xp but the past is perfectly ours, knowable and controlled. so it becomes a refuge.
― Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk thats pretty convincing but im not sure "the past is perfectly ours" i think the fraught knowability/unknowability of the past is central to how i grasp this whole thing. like the pieces are there but you can never put them back together again.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Sunday, 7 August 2011 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink