Colin Stetson - New History Warfare pt 2: Judges

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yeah i have not heard all of this yet but hearing the ... the righteous anger one, on FMU was kinda instantly mindblowing in a way that nothing else new has been for awhile.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:35 (five years ago) Permalink

an intense, physical solo-no-overdubs sax record with all sorts of innovation is pretty much exactly what i didn't know i needed in 2011 but am finding utterly compelling in 2011 (possibly in conjunction w/ this exercise: Rolling 2011 thread where I buy and listen to jazz albums for the first time ever)

gorgeous artwork, too

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:46 (five years ago) Permalink

whoops, guess you guys can read the constellation press quotes alongside the image! didn't know they came together ;_;

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:46 (five years ago) Permalink

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your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:52 (five years ago) Permalink

haha

i had a brief o_O moment when i thought "lol bon iver/arcade fire" etc. but then set it aside and listened to the stetson record and holy shit, any ppl who despise AF/vernon/etc. and avoid this b/c of the association are missing out on something very different and awesome

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:58 (five years ago) Permalink

btw, the sax on Tom Waits' 00s records (alice, blood money, orphans)? apparently that's this dude

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:59 (five years ago) Permalink

but then set it aside and listened to the stetson record and holy shit, any ppl who despise AF/vernon/etc. and avoid this b/c of the association are missing out on something very different and awesome

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i figured this was some astral thing from 1972 when i heard it; have suspicious feelings about constellation but this is something else

xpost does this mean he is the guy who ruined jesus gonna be here with a shitty sax solo when i saw tom waits

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:05 (five years ago) Permalink

thing is though that Stetson is far from being alone in solo sax innovation, Mats Gustafsson has been doing wonders like this for years but gets pigeonholed as a jazzman so doesn't really count... not demeaning Stetson for one moment b/c I still think what he's doing is good but the idea that he is the only person playing out-there solo sax is just w/e

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:07 (five years ago) Permalink

this is indeed amazing. like it a lot.

m the g, Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Mats Gustafsson has been doing wonders like this for years

yes-- i've dipped my toes into gustafsson thanks to HOOS raving on the jazz thread-- cosign!

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:13 (five years ago) Permalink

so psyched that people are discovering this

hits me more deeply with every listen
oof

someone was pointing out how harmonically (or, i guess, chordally?) this isn't that adventurous - but in that sense it's more like the blues, the agony and yearning of the interpretation/performance, not the intricacy of the notes. (that said, it is hilarious to call this anything less than intricate.)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:19 (five years ago) Permalink

am happy to be a gauge of jazzbo permeation into the indie-sphere, here. i don't know that guy, will check him out.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the AF/Bon Iver connections hopefully won't hurt folks listening to this. Pretty incredible stuff on first listen. Love this:

And thanks for the Mats Gustafsson recommendation. Heard the name, never listened to the music. Starting points?

matt2, Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Brings to mind this masterful-ness a bit:

matt2, Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Gustafsson works a lot of the time in groups, The Thing would be his main vehicle for group work and anything by them is totally recommended. His solo album The Vilnius Implosion from a couple of years ago is also very fine. Here he is in solo mode:

Evan Parker is also a name to be checked out, his solo circular breathing excursions are pretty phenomenal as seen here:

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Thanks for those anagram. I definitely prefer the "warmth" that I feel from the Colin Stetson and Evan Parker stuff to the sound of that one Gustafsson clip. I will investigate more.

matt2, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Okay, I have listened through this several more times and the overriding feeling is that I absolutely love it...except for basically any of the vocals. To my ears, they completely mar this otherwise magnificent album. Instrumental version?

matt2, Friday, 4 March 2011 15:14 (five years ago) Permalink

i do think laurie's vocals are mixed a bit high, but y'know... nothing's perfect

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but this album feels like it would've been nearly perfect without those vocals;).

matt2, Friday, 4 March 2011 15:38 (five years ago) Permalink

This is pretty much amazingly amazin

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 7 March 2011 14:28 (five years ago) Permalink

played this again today. still gets better each time i hear it. far and away the best thing i've heard in 2011, can't imagine another album would overtake it by year's end. if it does, it'll be a VERY good year...

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 7 March 2011 15:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I like Laurie's spoken word on this
It's mixed really great on headphones, one mic hard left, one mic hard right, Laurie up the middle

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Colin Stetson! I used to bump elbows w/ this dude back when he used to play house-parties in Ann Arbor w/ a crazy psychedelic free-jazz outfit called Transmission (this being 10-15 years ago). I had heard about his many high-profile collabs, but I will def have to check this thing out..

Of the other sax dudes mentioned itt, I'm def also down w/ Mats Gustafsson & Peter Brötzmann

Space // Funk (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 05:31 (five years ago) Permalink

He reincarnated that band or moved it when he moved to the Bay Area.

sarahel, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 05:38 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure he took the name & maybe a couple players. I remember him coming back through the midwest in the early 00s w/ an outfit called the Transmission Trio - anyway, here's this: http://listenlabs.com/transmission.html

Space // Funk (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 05:44 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, I remember seeing the Transmission Trio at least once.

sarahel, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 05:46 (five years ago) Permalink

The sound on this record is so immense and raw, even though it's got so many more silent moments. I'm bracing myself every single time I put it on, it blows me away.

Best I've heard this year.

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:24 (five years ago) Permalink

it's shaping up to be a frontrunner, for sure. so dense and powerful and unique.

actually love shara woden's vocals on this.

m the g, Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:27 (five years ago) Permalink

This is so, so great:

http://vimeo.com/19110127

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Also John Butcher for super-advanced technique allied with great musicality. He does the percussive thing really well, and manipulates feedback through his horn to mindblowing results.

Liking this Stetson record, but it's definitely less free-jazz and more into Terry Riley territory in some respects: the overlapping repetitions and what not.

Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Thursday, 17 March 2011 18:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Hey, what's a good John Butcher record to check out? Is it something that translates well to record, or is it best experienced live? Seems like he does a lot of "playing the room/environment", which is something I definitely feel, but obviously can be tough to translate to a recording.

grandavis, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i think it depends on who he's playing with. I've seen him do really quiet stuff, but I've also seen him actually play the saxophone.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:04 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This is so, so good, except for the spoken word parts.

rock rough 'n' stuff with h.r. pufnstuf (Hurting 2), Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Along similar enough lines, has anybody else on here enjoyed this?
http://boomkat.com/downloads/321345-thomas-ankersmit-live-in-utrecht

Just been offered an interview with him by his manger. (Craig D.), Sunday, 3 April 2011 04:46 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this album sounds so good. playing it very loud with the window wide open seems just right for some reason

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 15:15 (five years ago) Permalink

A predictably sniffy review in The WIRE which opines that you might like this if you've never heard of Evan Parker despite most other reviews and Stetson himself mentioning him as an influence. I told my mate who's really into free jazz about this and he went berserk about it. Said it was appalling like Hooked On Classics or Jean Michelle Jarre.

Actual LOL Tolhurst (Doran), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 21:36 (five years ago) Permalink

what's appalling ? Stetson or the wire ?

sisilafami, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't think The WIRE's appalling. I've bought it every month for the last decade. I just mean you can often tell in advance when they're going to go, 'No, no, no dear boy! You're doing it all wrong...'

In the rush to decry him as a pale imitation of Evan Parker ("He plays with Arcade Fire... Gosh, how middle brow...") they've missed the revolutionary aspect of what he does, which is the way the album is recorded via scores and scores of contact microphones in single takes.

But no, The WIRE's brilliant, and more importantly, it would cease to be brilliant if it didn't maintain clear distance between what they cover and everything else.

My mate thinks it's appalling which I only mention as I see him as a typical consumer of 'difficult', 'avant garde' music.

Actual LOL Tolhurst (Doran), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:13 (five years ago) Permalink

I love the album. It's one of my favourites of the year so far. I'm currently writing up a feature on Stetson for The Quietus.

Actual LOL Tolhurst (Doran), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:14 (five years ago) Permalink

didn't know there was a thread about this album! such beautiful sounds. I listen to "The Righteous Wrath of an Honorable Man" pretty much every night these days.

The best solid love doll Candysteen (absolutely clean glasses), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:15 (five years ago) Permalink

I could definitely see why such a person would find this album appalling, in that it is neither difficult nor avant garde

Forget the rest / this breast test is best (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:22 (five years ago) Permalink

I find such people a bit sad.

mike and the quantum mechanics (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 23:39 (five years ago) Permalink

they've missed the revolutionary aspect of what he does, which is the way the album is recorded via scores and scores of contact microphones in single takes

But that doesn't affect the way I respond to the album as a listener. As I mentioned upthread I am one of those free jazz fans (also a dedicated Wire reader, btw) who is not bowled over by this album, simply because it doesn't sound all that thrilling or innovative when held up next to Parker or Gustafsson in full flight. Fetishizing the way it was recorded is kind of beside the point imo.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 07:55 (five years ago) Permalink

i used to have a regular sunday poker game w/ this dude's younger brother. Colin's career has been on a pretty stellar upward trajectory for quite a while now, but, even so, I would not have expected him to drop an unaccompanied solo record that is inexplicably, completely objectively, my favorite album of 2011 thusfar by a wide margin. I mean, I'm normally not even all that crazy about saxophones in general (or maybe I just haven't been listening to the right things?)

buhlogna mindstate (Pillbox), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 08:42 (five years ago) Permalink

i enjoy this record and know nothing about that kind of stuff...

which parker, butcher or gustafsson albums should i be into ?

sisilafami, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 10:29 (five years ago) Permalink

But that doesn't affect the way I respond to the album as a listener.

really? i didn't care for this much until i read about how it was recorded, that definitely made me hear it in another way.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 11:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, not you anagram but anyone from WIREsville who reckons the process or the philosophy isn't important is being a bit rich really. Also given that what he does is at the other end of the sax scale from Mats, isn't it unfair to compare them?

Actual LOL Tolhurst (Doran), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 11:46 (five years ago) Permalink

that is the wire praxis though, anything 'mainstream' making experimental claims usually gets shot down. off the top of my head i think of battles "mirrored" which received a poor review when released, but then made its way to their EOY-list anyway... sure there are more recent examples, haven't had subscription for a while though

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 12:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Fetishizing the way it was recorded is kind of beside the point imo.

not really, if the point of the music is to focus on rhythm and sound (in a very different way than those other solo sax guys)?

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 14:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Also given that what he does is at the other end of the sax scale from Mats, isn't it unfair to compare them?

sure their techniques are different but all I said was that it doesn't sound all that thrilling or innovative to me. given that those are the kind of adjectives that are being bandied about in connection with this record I thought the comparison was valid. but yeah Evan Parker would be a better comparison than Gustafsson, both he and Stetson make heavy use of circular breathing for example which Gustafsson doesn't. Parker has that serpentine, fluttery sound which is totally trance-inducing. Stetson can do this up to a point but Parker has been doing it for 40 years.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:09 (five years ago) Permalink

some of the saxophone stuff sounds like an upright bass. i don't know if he close-mics parts of the instrument, or if there's extra-instrumental layering or what, but at times it recalls a cello sound or something deep, bowed. think of john cale's electrified viola, loose, looping repggios driving the tunes.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 11 May 2013 08:17 (three years ago) Permalink

err, repggios

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 11 May 2013 08:18 (three years ago) Permalink

the bon iver dude sounds like tv on the radio or some shit. generic. fuck, fleet foxes, all that shit blends in. i guess bon iver got a signature sound or whatever, but i don't recognize it. sorry, bad tangent.

there's some resonant, affecting, hear my train-a-coming shit on this new one. or maybe that's thom yorke

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 11 May 2013 08:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I should probably get into this dude.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 11 May 2013 09:40 (three years ago) Permalink

The big criticism of Stetson isn't that he sounds like Evan Parker but that he's using the same techniques to do something 'less interesting' or 'less valid' (ie free improv). The trouble with this attack on Stetson is that it ignores his real innovation, which is in recording and mixing the multiple channels from a single take by the use of lots of contact mics - which are placed all over his instrument, him and the room. This is how he ends up with such a massive sound on what is, ostensibly, a solo live saxophone album with a guest vocal. But some critics are all too happy to ignore this because it stands in the way of what they feel they have to do, which is to sneer at an 'indie guy' doing it all wrong.

The Bon Iver guy ruins the new one for me though.

Doran, Saturday, 11 May 2013 10:26 (three years ago) Permalink

waaaaaaaay too much bon iver. i feel like i'm slighting stetson by being so dismissive, but that guy's fey voice is such a turnoff for me. not so much on that song where he screams, but his voice is just incapable of doing the same kind of heavy-lifting as a laurie anderson or a shara worden.

borntohula, Saturday, 11 May 2013 16:13 (three years ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/Tu9Qj1ZekSI

i think it's stetson on "brute" ... not sure if that's the song you're referencing tho

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:43 (three years ago) Permalink

it's bon iver on "brute". i think his voice works really well on that one, possibly because i'd never have known it was his voice if i hadn't read it on the sleeve.

stirmonster, Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:02 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Listened to this yesterday and I think I prefer it over pt2. Amazed at how diverse it is, but I also find it kind of painful to listen to - not because of the skronking sounds (I quite like those) but because I know playing like that must surely and slowly be killing him. As such sometimes listening to this guy is like listening to the sounds of an abattoir where animals are slaughtered for the sake of food (that may well be delicious all the same).

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

huh, i didn't even notice bon iver on this one - thought it was all the better off for having fewer guest spots than the last one and spotlighting his incredible ability as a player instead.

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

This reminds me of the Holden album in terms of the size of the sound and the textures it explores.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 10:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Is playing like this going to "surely and slowly be killing him"? At all?

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:24 (three years ago) Permalink

colin's hale and healthy as hell. does lots of yoga. very disciplined. looks after himself.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he looks pretty damn well.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I saw him play back in June, he looked gooooood.

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

It is super hard on him, though. Wouldn't be surprised if this is him at "the height of his powers" but that we've got up to ten more years at this level

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Haven't heard anything else by him, but Judges astounds me!

http://devonrecordclub.com/2013/09/30/colin-stetson-new-history-of-warfare-volume-2-judges-round-54-toms-selection/

yugi ex, Monday, 30 September 2013 20:52 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

holy shit volume 3 is heavy, the singing parts maybe not so much

sonderangerbot, Friday, 20 December 2013 13:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Yesterday I had the pleasure of transcribing all of Bon Iver's parts on vol. 3 for a children's choir. Today I have the dubious pleasure of having those parts stuck in my head

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:18 (two years ago) Permalink

If I was to produce a Colin Stetson record there would be no guest vocals

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:21 (two years ago) Permalink

i dunno, is diamanda galas still doing thing?

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Friday, 20 December 2013 19:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Laurie Anderson's vocals on volume 2 were excellent.

Moka, Friday, 20 December 2013 21:14 (two years ago) Permalink

otm. it's not the presence of vocals that bugs so much as the vocalist chosen.

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Friday, 20 December 2013 21:39 (two years ago) Permalink

It might delight you to learn that Mr. Stetson just paid me for my work with two pounds of deer meat

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Haha! Did you raise the possibility of producing his next one or even collaborating? A man can dream

VENIET IMBER (imago), Saturday, 21 December 2013 02:13 (two years ago) Permalink

I can well imagine Stetson fitting some kind of sonic amplifier to his sax & heading out into the snowy wilds in search of prey

VENIET IMBER (imago), Saturday, 21 December 2013 02:15 (two years ago) Permalink

If I was to produce a Colin Stetson record, I'd write "no guest vocals" on a chalkboard, fire myself and hire those able people he normally works with (Hecker, Ismaily, Frost)

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 21 December 2013 03:21 (two years ago) Permalink

so you're bon iver is what i'm getting from this

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 December 2013 04:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Not to pop the joke, but we can only yearn for a world where Bonny Bear took such a principled stance

pfunky boyster (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 21 December 2013 10:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Me, I like Justin's contributions. Transcribing his vocal parts I'm blown away by the timbre of his voice-- so many overtones! he sings like a C3-- and also a looseness to his phrasing. Obv I'm a big stan for Laurie and Shara. My desire for "no guest vocals" is greediness on my part, want an uninterrupted 45 minutes of nothing but Colin's own singing and blowing, maintain a unified sonic world, something that reflects the ascetic, disciplined nature of his practice

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 21 December 2013 15:51 (two years ago) Permalink

The ATP recording is great for that

http://www.npr.org/event/music/140920372/colin-stetson-in-concert-atp-festival-2011

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 21 December 2013 18:30 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://soundcloud.com/constellation-records/colin-stetson-and-sarah-neufeld-the-sun-roars-into-view/

Colin Stetson and Sarah Neufeld - "The sun roars into view"

From new album 'Never Were The Way She Was' available 28 April 2015 on Constellation:
http://cstrecords.com/cst113/

Dinsdale, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 21:09 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

how did i not know about this guy, this is my shit

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 18 July 2015 22:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Pretty much everyone posting from Eaux Claires has been saying the same thing!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 July 2015 00:53 (one year ago) Permalink

that's how i found out!

jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 19 July 2015 01:06 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Colin Stetson announces new album SORROW, featuring Sarah Neufeld and Liturgy’s Greg Fox

http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/01/colin-stetson-announces-new-album-sorrow-featuring-sarah-neufeld-and-liturgys-greg-fox/

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 28 January 2016 21:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

sounds great, i'm excited that Greg Fox is on it.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 28 January 2016 23:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Gorecki is pretty low on my list of composers I rate but this is terrific

got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Friday, 8 April 2016 04:26 (five months ago) Permalink

🤔

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 8 April 2016 09:29 (five months ago) Permalink

this Gorecki album of his is brilliant.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:40 (five months ago) Permalink

This seemed kinda boring to me. Wanted it to be more Stetson-y, if that makes sense.

Position Position, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 16:18 (five months ago) Permalink

OTOH, it being not all that Stetson-y is what makes it so great to me. I've always loved the original recording with Dawn Upshaw and so I was really worried that Stetson would screw this one up, but he's done a fine job I have to say.

schlep and back trio (anagram), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 17:51 (five months ago) Permalink

this is pretty epic.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 18:06 (five months ago) Permalink

looking forward to opening for him & Sarah Neufeld in a few months btw :)

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 18:53 (five months ago) Permalink

i initially wanted this to be more stetson-y but ultimately liked a lot as it is

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 19:48 (five months ago) Permalink


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