Bogart learns to love La Resistance: Casablanca vs To Have And Have Not

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Hawks claimed Hemingway told him the book was "junk," but HH was known to embellish the truth.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 February 2011 16:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't how you measure such things, by my sense is that Mildred Pierce is underrated--that what's great about has been overwhelmed by Crawford's persona, and that it's been reduced to caricature by things like the Carol Burnett parody (which I don't remember, but I'm sure it's great).

― clemenza, Saturday, February 26, 2011 2:40 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

it's not really underrated. example: it's been adapted by todd haynes with kate winslett for hbo.

haven't read the book, but it's not a particularly interesting film, unless you specialize in a certain era of hollywood.

this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

one of Crawford's most boring performances too.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always laugh when, during the diner montage, Crawford in voice-over says, "I got good tips and was happy to get them." I go, YEAH CUZ IF YOU DON'T GET THEM THAT POOR GUY'S GONNA BE SORRY.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

it weirded me out when I found out winslet was playing MP because she feels so young to me still, but then i found out crawford was only 40 when she did it - still seems weird to me though

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Mildred sposed to have been a young mother I think... (Anne Hathaway is going to be playing 'old' Judy Garland in a biopic, THAT's weird)

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's part of the character, but STILL. i just don't want to accept winslet no longer being an ingenue or w/e i guess

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

she's been through two husbands, don't think she gets to be an ingenue

this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

perhaps costume will show off breeder hips

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also, the Marseillaise scene makes me cry every time

this is one of the best bits

THAHN is not ALL about sassy seduction - the main love-story is underplayed slightly (the kisses are passionate but fleeting) and the seduction stands for something grander and more escapist about grasping the moment. Plus, when the French couple come in later, injured and tired and deadly serious, there's grit and worry all right, just that it doesn't dominate the mood - it places bogart'n'bacall's happy-go-lucky shenanigans in perspective and gives the picture a more rounded feel

Did not know about the Curtiz remake. Probably owe it a watch now.

acoleuthic, Saturday, 26 February 2011 22:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think I've got it straight now with regards to Mildred Pierce: with rest of world, not underrated; on ILX, underrated.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 February 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Surprisingly, I couldn't find any Bogart threads (perhaps time for a poll?), but I'm reviving just to post this:

Damn.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 7 May 2012 06:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boo! Anyway, it was the bookstore scene from The Big Sleep with Dorothy Malone.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 7 May 2012 06:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Only watched African Queen for the first time the other day and it completely changed my perception of Bogie. He's so goofy in it!

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

btw that second go at THAHN, The Breaking Point w/ John Garfield, Phyllis Thaxter and Patricia Neal, is amazingly good.

When you see a '40s vehicle of Bogart's like Dead Reckoning come up second-rate, you realize how great the great stuff was.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 August 2014 21:20 (2 months ago) Permalink


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