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that is because kylie is, like sophie ellis bextor, going for a retro- mancuso/levan vibe, with all the classicism inherent in such an endeavour.

gareth, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I did try to write about that record in the same way I would have for anything else at Pitchfork. I thought the gag would be better if people really thought we were changing styles, and Spin may be full of ads, but at least the reviews aren't jokes! As far as I know, anyway. Dullness wasn't intentional though.

dleone, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

best e-mail address ever, eh starbar?

dudley, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dead right sir. Power shandies all round to the geezer behind it eh?

Sarah, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

From: DWilliams@EQRWORLD.com Subject: NO, Just Admit You Like It Up There

You have completed your learning of life's lessons. Now, you suck ass just like all the other bores before you. Kylie, Alanis? Whatever, bitch. I am sure you already have the defense mechanisms in place so, this will mean nothing but, another exercise in...oh, who cares. Looking elsewhere for reality...or maybe I can pretend to be a rubber worm like pitchwhore.com...here big fishie, look, I rounded 'em up for you in a arrel. A whole demographic!

Not Funny

Dare, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

Y'know sometimes they really are asking for it:

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

Well shit SIGN ME UP.

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a bit of a repellant blurb if I ever saw one.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I read 'White' as 'While' and thought "The Saul Williams album sounds like that?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's more that they used that as their _hook_

x-post

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

The front blurbs are always stripped/condensed summary descriptions from the review inside -- in this case

His songs are thin and languorous, with impeccable influences and the sort of calculated disaffection that comes from an MFA in design and a good weed connection.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg that is horrorshow

The blurb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the article quote

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

I assume that's an article quote; nabisco, if you just made that up then SHAME ON YOU.

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would a critic ever try to guess where a song comes from?

Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm more bothered by beck as impeccable influence

dmr, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me. I guess I like my disaffection to be natural, not carefully planned, so I would never recommend something like that.

Then again, I've never heard it so what do I know and so on.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

b-but someone at pfork said "hm, how can we get people to read this review? I know! we'll mention the artist's impeccable influences and calculated disaffection! that'll reel 'em in!"

RIP satire etc

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

they could have collaged+mis-used _anything_ from the article, and they collaged+mis-used that

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

The White Williams album reminds me much more of late 10cc and Bread than of Roxy Music. That bit was like the classic "Let's over-hip our influences" review.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me.

See, this sounds like the blurb WORKED for you -- i.e., efficiently let you know you would probably not like this act.

I agree, though, it looks kind of weird to have such a neutral-to-disparaging summary blurb on a recommended album.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like how they gave the new Babyshambles, which is actually tuneful and a good all around album, a 4.0, but gave the first one, which is dreadful and hard to listen to / bloated, a 7.3,

Yeah, it was definitely TWICE as good as the new one. Fuckin' morons.

Erock Zombie, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

ugh, "impeccable influences" is really repulsive.

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

(xpost) was that a parody or are you really getting worked up about an internet score for babyshambles

dmr, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

He was worked up?

roxymuzak, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

wait, i thought the grading scale was logarithmic. like 5 is twice as good as 4. somebody email ryan schreiber to find out.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

shit, now i need to reevaluate all my purchases of the last five years.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's actually modelled after the Richter Scale, hence the superlative designations of various well-reviewed albums as either "Reccomended," "Best New Music," or "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On."

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

if anything, that reads like a good reason not to check out the album....

stephen, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

richter scale is logarithmic xpost

but kudos nonetheless

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah sorry the "actually" sounded like I was disagreeing when it more of an "yeah and" thing

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

No band has marked indie's prog revival more definitively than Battles: Their debut, Mirrored, took rock for a set of puzzle pieces, but was ultimately defined by its pictorial sensibility-- each song felt like a cartoon soundtrack-- and the incorporation of jokes into the most historically humorless music in the known world.

latebloomer, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

wtf, wtf -- wtf? -- wtf!

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

the incorporation of JOKES

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

ya i saw that too... pretty lazy writing

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

How can you get paid to write if you don't know what "but" means?

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

jokes?!?!? has dude ever read the back of a don cab/a minor forest/whoever cd?

YGS, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

That bothers me more in a semantic sense: I think the album has a sense of humor, sure, but I don't know what "jokes" refers to in a largely instrumental piece of work.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

joeks, bruv

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

You can here an interpolation of classic knock-knock jokes in "Atlas".

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

<i>jokes?!?!? has dude ever read the back of a don cab/a minor forest/whoever cd?

-- YGS, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:53 (10 minutes ago) Link</i>

"jokes" was horrible word choice on my part--john is right--but come on, do you really think that having a punny song title is the same as making music that is formally and sonically <i>humorous</i>? eh. don cab always struck me as definitively unfunny, they just tried to compensate with SURREAL HEADLINES.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I didn't even read the review, so I didn't know it was you, Mike.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

There is a strong semantic difference between "humor" and "jokes"; they shouldn't be used interchangeably and, based on your followup here, you definitely meant the former.

Also, why did you use "but" as your conjunction? The second clause does not invert, negate, contradict or palpably change the meaning of the first clause (Mirrored being defined by pictoral sensibility and humor is not a condition that lies in opposition to it viewing rock as a set of puzzle pieces), so your sentence winds up not making any sense; you've either left out a critical piece of information or just flat-out used the wrong word.

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

There is a strong semantic difference between "humor" and "jokes"; they shouldn't be used interchangeably and, based on your followup here, you definitely meant the former.

Also, why did you use "but" as your conjunction? The second clause does not invert, negate, contradict or palpably change the meaning of the first clause (Mirrored being defined by pictoral sensibility and humor is not a condition that lies in opposition to it viewing rock as a set of puzzle pieces), so your sentence winds up not making any sense; you've either left out a critical piece of information or just flat-out used the wrong word.

-- HI DERE, Friday, November 2, 2007 8:19 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

you're right, 'but' wasn't a great choice. i think the idea was to say that though it had this puzzle-like quality--you could talk about how the parts fit together, like everyone does in a math-rock review--it was, for me, defined by these more abstract qualities: its sense of humor, its ability to be pictorally evocative. sure, i get what you're saying.

but seriously--human being here, willing to engage, bristles as asinine comments like the "knock-knock joke" one. furthermore--and i'd never slag scott or mark because i know they're incredibly busy guys--i think you bring the same charges to an editor. just saying.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

sorry, you *could* bring the same charges. lord i grow weary of life's endless ironies.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm just glad you're writing regularly.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think I'm pretty much firmly on record as someone who thinks there are a lot of editors out there who aren't doing what they should. This mostly stems from a desire to be an editor (ha).

Also I think the egregious misspelling of "hear" is more offensive than the actual knock-knock joke comment (which was an allusion to a recently-revived ILE thread).

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Joke: pretending "Atlas" has a different lyric when he is very clearly singing

people like to
people like to
eat a sandwich

nabisco, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Also I think the egregious misspelling of "hear" is more offensive than the actual knock-knock joke comment (which was an allusion to a recently-revived ILE thread).

-- HI DERE, Friday, November 2, 2007 8:35 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

and there i thought you were just aping my ignorance and carelessness.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

(xpost - that's not actually funny, of course: people do like them some sandwiches)

nabisco, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

i always heard the "eat a sandwich" bit as "penis terror"

ciderpress, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

i love the flow of the YG album.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

YG/Future are amazing, but lets all just agree that RTJ2 is better

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

Every time someone posts that I think they're saying RJD2 and I'm like wha

Fairly peng (wins), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

i highly recommend hearing the album on CD thru good speakers. if that's possible. sounds so friggin' cool. loud too. listen loud. they did a great job with the disc. kinda tempted to go buy the Future album just to hear it thru my big speakers at work. bet that would sound awesome.

― scott seward, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah the first time i heard it was at def jam's offices thru some $10,000 soundsystem or something and even tho i thought my ears might bleed it sounded unreal good, "left right" especially

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

i mean the legacy of rap albums that sag because ill-fitting R&B songs are shoehorned into the tracklist is obvious?

it's def obvious, just never really dug it - not due to any anti-r&b feelings of mine but more due to those "ladies" tracks almost invariably not being in the skill set of the rappers who were dumping them on their records. as another awful recent example, consider "touch'n you" on rick ross's god forgives i don't. yikes. (not that that album isn't flawed for other reasons, prominently wale)

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah the bass sounds so huge on good speakers

ha, i literally just finally got round to RTJ2 and didn't get the fuss at all, found it drab and extremely unfun

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

i get the vibe of what yg was going for with the r&b trax but i don't think the songs are really there and i don't care about teeflii or tory lanez as performers or lyricists even a tiny bit

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

they both have sort of anaemic non-voices

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

ok i'll grant you that position -- i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there because those songs are really all about the beats anyway

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

i felt bad about dismissing the new rtj so i actually went and listened to some of the first album and i liked it more now. mainly for the sound/beats. i've always kinda wished that el-p just did outside production for other people and never rapped. making cool noises has always been his main strength.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so in character

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

like, if it were just a killer mike album with el-p silently producing the whole thing i would totally buy it.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

i feel like el-p's beats on RTJ2 aren't even that great (unlike RTJ1) this time

gangsta boo popping up is the best moment obv, she's having this incredible year that no one's paying attention to

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so in character

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i will also grant you this position

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

like, if it were just a killer mike album with el-p silently producing the whole thing i would totally buy it.

― scott seward, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:59 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

skot - R.A.P. Music by Killer Mike is exactly that!

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

ha, i literally just finally got round to RTJ2 and didn't get the fuss at all, found it drab and extremely unfun

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:48 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

game recognize game

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

Lol

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

man i ran out and missed a decent mini-discussion of 'krazy' ... everyone pretty much otm on both sides. the r&b songs are fine for what they are, certainly better than most shoehorned r&b tracks on rap albums ... and i can vibe w/ me & my bitch, but do it to ya stinks. i appreciate their role in the album's narrative, but both singers are underwhelming.

absolutely no question, though, that having those two songs in a row is the weak point of the album.

alpine static, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

surprised no one here wants to push the DJ Quik out as best of the year rap album as well; i thought i was on ilx

I would not argue for votes to RTJ2, YG, Gene the Southern Child, A-Wax, isaiah rashad or shabazz palaces

i would also lean into cormega, lacrae, clipping, black milk, freddie gibbs, iamsu, schoolboy, snootie wild and i'd imagine the joey bada$$ and e40 albums are gonna be up there too.

i do need to work in z-ro and gangsta boo's album. what else?

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

'me and my bitch' is awesome, feels like needed melodic respite & works as a reference to old cali street rap history w/out being heavyhanded by making it R&B

deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

the pitchfork thread is probably the most embarrassing thread to have a conversation about rap album of the year

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 04:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

well yeah but there's only like twelve guys posting on the rap thread and i know their opinions of THE YEAR IN MUSIC as well as I'm gonna by now. cross pollinate a little.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

i don't really care where i am on here. it's all the same to me.

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

i only talk about music now - for the most part - in a facebook group i'm in but nobody talks about rap there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

a group started by a Pitchfork writer! to bring things 'round the bend...

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

surprised no one here wants to push the DJ Quik out as best of the year rap album as well; i thought i was on ilx

this has surprisingly not stuck with me, i did love it on first listen but...

lex pretend, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 09:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

went through my krazy life in full again. "me & my bitch" is better than i initially gave it credit for though i stand by its interruption of the album.

"do it to ya" still sucks. its terrible. strangely, the skit part isn't what ruins it - wouldn't be that bad if not for the "bed" sound effects sounding more like a squeaky dog toy than a bed. tee flii simply can't fuckin sing and YG doesn't sell the loverman thing that well. he's no gates.

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:53 (1 week ago) Permalink


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