pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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that is because kylie is, like sophie ellis bextor, going for a retro- mancuso/levan vibe, with all the classicism inherent in such an endeavour.

gareth, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, I did try to write about that record in the same way I would have for anything else at Pitchfork. I thought the gag would be better if people really thought we were changing styles, and Spin may be full of ads, but at least the reviews aren't jokes! As far as I know, anyway. Dullness wasn't intentional though.

dleone, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

best e-mail address ever, eh starbar?

dudley, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dead right sir. Power shandies all round to the geezer behind it eh?

Sarah, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

From: DWilliams@EQRWORLD.com Subject: NO, Just Admit You Like It Up There

You have completed your learning of life's lessons. Now, you suck ass just like all the other bores before you. Kylie, Alanis? Whatever, bitch. I am sure you already have the defense mechanisms in place so, this will mean nothing but, another exercise in...oh, who cares. Looking elsewhere for reality...or maybe I can pretend to be a rubber worm like pitchwhore.com...here big fishie, look, I rounded 'em up for you in a arrel. A whole demographic!

Not Funny

Dare, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Y'know sometimes they really are asking for it:

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

Well shit SIGN ME UP.

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a bit of a repellant blurb if I ever saw one.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

I read 'White' as 'While' and thought "The Saul Williams album sounds like that?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's more that they used that as their _hook_

x-post

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

The front blurbs are always stripped/condensed summary descriptions from the review inside -- in this case

His songs are thin and languorous, with impeccable influences and the sort of calculated disaffection that comes from an MFA in design and a good weed connection.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

omg that is horrorshow

The blurb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the article quote

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

I assume that's an article quote; nabisco, if you just made that up then SHAME ON YOU.

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

why would a critic ever try to guess where a song comes from?

Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm more bothered by beck as impeccable influence

dmr, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me. I guess I like my disaffection to be natural, not carefully planned, so I would never recommend something like that.

Then again, I've never heard it so what do I know and so on.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

b-but someone at pfork said "hm, how can we get people to read this review? I know! we'll mention the artist's impeccable influences and calculated disaffection! that'll reel 'em in!"

RIP satire etc

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

they could have collaged+mis-used _anything_ from the article, and they collaged+mis-used that

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

The White Williams album reminds me much more of late 10cc and Bread than of Roxy Music. That bit was like the classic "Let's over-hip our influences" review.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me.

See, this sounds like the blurb WORKED for you -- i.e., efficiently let you know you would probably not like this act.

I agree, though, it looks kind of weird to have such a neutral-to-disparaging summary blurb on a recommended album.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 22:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like how they gave the new Babyshambles, which is actually tuneful and a good all around album, a 4.0, but gave the first one, which is dreadful and hard to listen to / bloated, a 7.3,

Yeah, it was definitely TWICE as good as the new one. Fuckin' morons.

Erock Zombie, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

ugh, "impeccable influences" is really repulsive.

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

(xpost) was that a parody or are you really getting worked up about an internet score for babyshambles

dmr, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

He was worked up?

roxymuzak, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

wait, i thought the grading scale was logarithmic. like 5 is twice as good as 4. somebody email ryan schreiber to find out.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

shit, now i need to reevaluate all my purchases of the last five years.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's actually modelled after the Richter Scale, hence the superlative designations of various well-reviewed albums as either "Reccomended," "Best New Music," or "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On."

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

if anything, that reads like a good reason not to check out the album....

stephen, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

richter scale is logarithmic xpost

but kudos nonetheless

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah sorry the "actually" sounded like I was disagreeing when it more of an "yeah and" thing

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

No band has marked indie's prog revival more definitively than Battles: Their debut, Mirrored, took rock for a set of puzzle pieces, but was ultimately defined by its pictorial sensibility-- each song felt like a cartoon soundtrack-- and the incorporation of jokes into the most historically humorless music in the known world.

latebloomer, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

wtf, wtf -- wtf? -- wtf!

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

the incorporation of JOKES

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

ya i saw that too... pretty lazy writing

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

How can you get paid to write if you don't know what "but" means?

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

jokes?!?!? has dude ever read the back of a don cab/a minor forest/whoever cd?

YGS, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

That bothers me more in a semantic sense: I think the album has a sense of humor, sure, but I don't know what "jokes" refers to in a largely instrumental piece of work.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

joeks, bruv

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

You can here an interpolation of classic knock-knock jokes in "Atlas".

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

<i>jokes?!?!? has dude ever read the back of a don cab/a minor forest/whoever cd?

-- YGS, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:53 (10 minutes ago) Link</i>

"jokes" was horrible word choice on my part--john is right--but come on, do you really think that having a punny song title is the same as making music that is formally and sonically <i>humorous</i>? eh. don cab always struck me as definitively unfunny, they just tried to compensate with SURREAL HEADLINES.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, I didn't even read the review, so I didn't know it was you, Mike.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

There is a strong semantic difference between "humor" and "jokes"; they shouldn't be used interchangeably and, based on your followup here, you definitely meant the former.

Also, why did you use "but" as your conjunction? The second clause does not invert, negate, contradict or palpably change the meaning of the first clause (Mirrored being defined by pictoral sensibility and humor is not a condition that lies in opposition to it viewing rock as a set of puzzle pieces), so your sentence winds up not making any sense; you've either left out a critical piece of information or just flat-out used the wrong word.

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

There is a strong semantic difference between "humor" and "jokes"; they shouldn't be used interchangeably and, based on your followup here, you definitely meant the former.

Also, why did you use "but" as your conjunction? The second clause does not invert, negate, contradict or palpably change the meaning of the first clause (Mirrored being defined by pictoral sensibility and humor is not a condition that lies in opposition to it viewing rock as a set of puzzle pieces), so your sentence winds up not making any sense; you've either left out a critical piece of information or just flat-out used the wrong word.

-- HI DERE, Friday, November 2, 2007 8:19 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

you're right, 'but' wasn't a great choice. i think the idea was to say that though it had this puzzle-like quality--you could talk about how the parts fit together, like everyone does in a math-rock review--it was, for me, defined by these more abstract qualities: its sense of humor, its ability to be pictorally evocative. sure, i get what you're saying.

but seriously--human being here, willing to engage, bristles as asinine comments like the "knock-knock joke" one. furthermore--and i'd never slag scott or mark because i know they're incredibly busy guys--i think you bring the same charges to an editor. just saying.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

sorry, you *could* bring the same charges. lord i grow weary of life's endless ironies.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm just glad you're writing regularly.

jaymc, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think I'm pretty much firmly on record as someone who thinks there are a lot of editors out there who aren't doing what they should. This mostly stems from a desire to be an editor (ha).

Also I think the egregious misspelling of "hear" is more offensive than the actual knock-knock joke comment (which was an allusion to a recently-revived ILE thread).

HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Joke: pretending "Atlas" has a different lyric when he is very clearly singing

people like to
people like to
eat a sandwich

nabisco, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also I think the egregious misspelling of "hear" is more offensive than the actual knock-knock joke comment (which was an allusion to a recently-revived ILE thread).

-- HI DERE, Friday, November 2, 2007 8:35 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

and there i thought you were just aping my ignorance and carelessness.

mike powell, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

(xpost - that's not actually funny, of course: people do like them some sandwiches)

nabisco, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

i always heard the "eat a sandwich" bit as "penis terror"

ciderpress, Friday, 2 November 2007 20:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Scott, that link is amazing. LMAO at Rolling Stone's pan of Are You Experienced. Who the FUCK pays attention to Jimi Hendrix's lyrics?!

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 25 August 2016 11:34 (two days ago) Permalink

Adhering to the old pat standard of attacking art and defending "trendy" rubbish is so tired and shopworn

fresh and original observation

blafe and sand (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 August 2016 11:40 (two days ago) Permalink

xp to "dreaming" being disco blondie -- it's the dancing queen rip does that count

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 25 August 2016 14:32 (two days ago) Permalink

Does anyone really, really, really like "What's Going On"? I've always felt that it's the r&b counterpart of the equally boring "Imagine". The message does all the heavy lifting, while the music is kind of a snore. Feel like it's been cruising on pure inertia for quite some time.

Darin, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:35 (two days ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure everybody likes it. but we need to move on now. this list is so yesterday.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:38 (two days ago) Permalink

Music in Imagine is amazing. Whats Goin On also great bar a couple tracks, great sound.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:41 (two days ago) Permalink

"what's going on" would make my top 5 or top 10. it's no donnie joe emerson though

brimstead, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:41 (two days ago) Permalink

I like "What's Going On" (more so than "Imagine," which stopped being interesting to me as soon as the subversive kick of "no religion" wore off for me) but to affirm your point, I suppose, I don't feel all that passionate about defending it.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:42 (two days ago) Permalink

maybe I've been de-sensitized to both songs. I dunno. I get fidgety when I hear political songs.

Darin, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:43 (two days ago) Permalink

I get fidgety when I watch political movies, so that I get.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:44 (two days ago) Permalink

all songs are political

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:51 (two days ago) Permalink

my favorite political song is "hallogallo"

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:54 (two days ago) Permalink

'Inner City Blues' and 'Mercy Mercy Me' are the better choices from that album.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 01:24 (yesterday) Permalink

yep

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:28 (yesterday) Permalink

my favorite Gaye these days is In Our Lifetime.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:28 (yesterday) Permalink

a really, really good record

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 August 2016 02:33 (yesterday) Permalink

distant lover's my pick for the 70's

Heez, Friday, 26 August 2016 02:38 (yesterday) Permalink

Trouble Man soundtrack and I Want You are my go-to Marvins. because i'm really dope.

scott seward, Friday, 26 August 2016 03:22 (yesterday) Permalink

I Want You is clearly the best thing he ever did.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:03 (yesterday) Permalink

clearly

brimstead, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:13 (yesterday) Permalink

What's Going On has a very special sound, but the lyrics do have a slightly bullshitty vagueness to them. Somehow Inner City Blues doesn't bother me in the same way. However my favorite track on the record is God is Love, strangely.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 26 August 2016 04:25 (yesterday) Permalink

No way, 'God is Love' totally rules.

The live set that's on the deluxe edition of What's Going On, generally speaking, makes a sick joke out of the studio version.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:50 (yesterday) Permalink

This Spotify playlist is ALL dollar bin stuff!

"Songs in the key of Donnie and Joe Emerson: Music that Inspired the Fruitland Recordings"

https://open.spotify.com/user/lightintheatticrecords/playlist/3vVsfGaJQMl7OBmJajg2rg

brimstead, Friday, 26 August 2016 05:26 (yesterday) Permalink

some measure of commitment to their position as arbiter of the canon or whatever

Apart from having fun with lists and producing content for a website the key to these lists is that if they are accepted they assert the publishers "cultural capital" or smth right?

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

niels, Friday, 26 August 2016 16:19 (yesterday) Permalink

the expanded version of What's Going On with all the extra tracks/demos is pretty amazing, I love that lush but still gritty sound. Oddly I don't unreservedly love any of Gaye's albums all the way through, I still feel like I would prefer to cherrypick tracks from here and there. Maybe cuz that way I still get the full length of Got to Give It Up (his best song)

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:20 (yesterday) Permalink

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

Probably. Sight & Sound and Rolling Stone want to guard it, maybe incrementally move it along, Spin in 1988 wanted to upend it--which can be embarrassing if you don't have anything interesting to offer as a replacement; their list was pretty good, though. Pitchfork, I don't know well enough to comment.

clemenza, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:25 (yesterday) Permalink


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