Jeff Mills, Carl Craig, Derrick May

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you really can't go wrong with carl craig. everything he's put out - ok, maybe excepting innerzone orchestra and the detroit experiment - has it's moments and then some. even innerzone orch and the detroit blablahblah have their moments too - "people make the world go round" and "think twice" are really really REALLY good covers.

derrick may - also easy to answer, like everyone else on this thread the answer is "with everything" ie with "innovator"

jeff mills - really hard to answer!! the liquid room mix or the purposemaker comp. the mix is really like a greatest-hits leavened with other people's stuff (well, all of his dj sets are). the purposemaker comp sort of also, except it is fatally flawed because it doesn't have "changes of life" or "step to enchantment (stringent)".

vahid (vahid), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

innerzone orchestra - bug in the bassbin !!

tricky disco (disco stu), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

For somebody new to Jeff Mills, I feel the Purposemaker comp is way too much of the same thing. And if you're going to cave your head in with way too much of the same thing by Jeff Mills, then it should be the Liquid Room mix.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

cheers vahid ^_^

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

throw remake uno by paperclip people is soooooo killer.

Nice to see you posting again vahid.

Marcus Nicoli is playing in Hollywood this Wednesday.

sorry for the cross post everyone.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, the jeff mills The Wizard mixes floating around slsk are sick...there's a 1989 one that's just insane

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

For Jeff Mills, start with the Live at the Liquid Room mix CD

Robin Goad (rgoad), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Another excellent start: Relics, Transmat compilation which features May, Craig and more including classics and exclusive incidental stuff by May. Innovator, 69 comp and Intergalatic Beats are great though

wtin, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
this website has up some old wizard mixes... definitely something to hear if you haven't heard before.

lfam, Monday, 26 March 2007 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i hadn't heard them before, only of them. it's something i've been doing at a comparatively lackadaisical pace for a couple years now. mills' style is not really my thing as i like to let the loops run until they break but it's wild!

lfam, Monday, 26 March 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Another vote for Liquid Room - it rules!

lfam - You rock for posting that link - I've never heard any of his radio stuff before! Thanks!

Moodles, Monday, 26 March 2007 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Where do Dopplereffekt and Drexciya fit into this whole scene? Like, "second wave" Detroit techno?

Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

More electro than techno, perhaps?

Neil S, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Detroit electro, then, a la ADULT.? Does such a genre exist?

Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Start with X-103.

moley, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

detroit electro is Aux 88, Drexciya, Ectomorph etc. The electro revival started in detroit. Including the Adult. precurser Le Car.

dan selzer, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd add DJ Assault to that list.

Neil S, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

You also have to look into the Interstellar Fugitives comps on UR, as well as UR003 Final Frontier.

Also research Ultradyne/ Pi Gao Movement, DETROIT IN EFFECT, Twlight 76 records, Will Web, Keith Tucker/Optic Nerve/DJ K1, and Posatronix.

And as far getting started with Detroit techno goes, the first thing you need to get is a copy of Deep Space by Model 500. That is imho the most important record that came out of Detroit in the 90's. That album is the masterpiece of Detroit Techno.


Display Name, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to the Wizard mixes and they are amazing! It's like witnessing the birth of Techno as it happened or finding the Missing Link. The tracks are fairly standard hip hop from the 80s with lots of early house, electro and funk mixed in. Yet the way Mills puts it all together, it has the same frenetic vibe as the Liquid Room mixes, which is crazy to me since the tracks on Liquid Room are pure banging Techno. So much Techno has a Germanic (to my ears) vibe to me, so I've always found it hard to imagine how it originated in Detroit. Now it all makes sense to me.

Moodles, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i agree, it is like hearing the missing link. something really special there.

lfam, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link

even though i had read about the wizard several times, i still couldn't believe my ears when i finally heard these.

lfam, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know if he always does it and everyone's seen it on some cockfarming dvd or something, but watching Mills DJ from behind, when we booked him back in 94, was really unusual. He would throw played records onto a pile on the floor behind him, as they left the turntables like used bullet rounds, only pausing a few times (when he allowed a tune to go over the one-minute mark) to haphazardly stuff a bunch of them into paper sleeves and back in the box.

blunt, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link

he only needs a bit of clean vinyl from each one!

lfam, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to the Wizard mixes and they are amazing!

NO SHIT :-O

also, bit of a strange unremembered nostaliga trip hearing all this fairly popular (all the bits I remember) hip-hop and 80's techno-pop in an of-the-time context, and the mixing is ridiculous.

fandango, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

just found all of vahid's recommendations in response to the "rainforest techno" question

am very excited

lukas, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Tonight here in Chapel Hill:

Techno: A Black American Artform Thursday, April 26
Cabaret: UNC Student Union

Great Hall: UNC Student Union
Techno: A Black American Artform will begin in the Cabaret with a lecture on the origins of techno by techno pioneer Derrick May from 6pm to 7pm. Live techno and DJ performances follow from 8pm to 12am in the Great Hall.

This is part of the Signal electronic music fest all weekend.

More here:

http://www.signalfest.com/newsite/content/view/50/47/

c@md3n, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Then he plays a set at 10:30. Anybody seen him perform recently?

c

c@md3n, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Still checking out those Wizard mixes. I'm totally baffled by how he mixes it all together. There seems to be so much going on and so many quick changes. It seems to go far beyond standard DJing, even from what I've heard of Jeff Mills' techno mixes. Can anyone out there explain how he manages this?

Moodles, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

he used a 4 track.

Display Name, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

eight years pass...

jeff looks about 12 there

brimstead, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

ikr

Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link

Who's the guy with the mic? (excuse my ignorance)

millmeister, Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link

i would like to know too!

andy k to thread?

the late great, Saturday, 28 November 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Detroit Techno Militia shared it on Facebook from somebody else's page. Don't recognise the guy with the mic but love the Police shirt and love the whole vibe of the picture

Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link

there's a thread somewhere on not-west-london broken beat (CiM, the better stuff on delsin, etc) but that's not really like derrick may, it's just coming from a milleu where early-90s uk techno (likemind label, applied rhythmic technology, etc) is ground zero.

I love this stuff.

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link

There's another thread where someone asks for stuff that sounds like "object orient" and "bugz in the bassbin (street mix)"

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:51 (eight years ago) link

:-D

the late great, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:56 (eight years ago) link

*hi fives*

the late great, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:56 (eight years ago) link

Yeah! *hi fives back*

I recently rediscovered Time Tourist by b12 and my goodness, it's like those songs had been fermenting in my brain for 15 years.. Wonderful album.

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link

The Late Great, have you heard Stephen Tang's album from last year (called disconnect to reconnect or something, on smallville, I think)? It's total early b12-ish Detroit worship

brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:47 (eight years ago) link

The gentleman in the Police shirt is Dale Willis.

Andy K, Sunday, 29 November 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link

cool!

i haven't heard the stephen tang album but "time tourist" is one of my all-time favorite warp albums, will check out stephen tang for sure

the late great, Sunday, 29 November 2015 03:36 (eight years ago) link

andy do you know any cool dale willis stories

the late great, Sunday, 29 November 2015 04:20 (eight years ago) link

No but Willis is mentioned (as one of Mills' mentors?) in the late great Dan Sicko's Techno Rebels, the late great.

Andy K, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link

Q. How did you begin to work professionally in music?

A. I auditioned for a DJ group called the Dale Willis Organization. My older brother was part of that organization. They provided the Dance Music for parties and events around Detroit in the 70s/80s. After begging him for months to arrange a audition, I got the chance to display what I had been practicing for and in a real club with grown up people. I was 17 at the time. Dale Willis liked what I did and started working at a club called The Lady in Detroit on Tuesday Nights. I was under age, so I had to stay in the DJ booth the entire night. It was there, Dale and others taught me how to program, read, measure and pace the crowd and a lot other things that I still practice today.

http://blog.welove-music.com/?p=409

Andy K, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

I'm not a Jeff Mills afficionado but I'm listening to Final Cut - Deep In 2 The Cut, which from what I can tell is the only Final Cut album Jeff Mills was involved with? But it's really good anyway.

I think I downloaded this off an industrial music blog, and it does have a bit of an industrial/EBM sound to it but that's up my street anyway.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 1 December 2016 10:29 (seven years ago) link

Collapse of Modern Culture by Urban Tribe is one of the best things Carl Craig has been involved in.

https://www.discogs.com/Urban-Tribe-The-Collapse-Of-Modern-Culture/master/18121

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 1 December 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link

that is a cool album, didn't know c2 was involved!

a but (brimstead), Friday, 2 December 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link

i thought urban tribe was just dj stingray for some reason

a but (brimstead), Friday, 2 December 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link

I think this is the only album CC was involved with.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 December 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link

i believe that album was discussed upthread ... credits on that one are quite complicated.

the late great, Friday, 2 December 2016 06:51 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

WE LOVE THIS FUCKING CITY! Detroit is the birthplace of techno and techno is BLACK 🖤 #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/fJTSmGH1nK

— think for yourself&question 👁 (@madiidanae) June 6, 2020

lag∞n, Saturday, 6 June 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

jeff mills looks like a weird motherfucker with some dark secrets

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 19 May 2022 22:16 (one year ago) link


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