Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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My comment was more about Scott's "they are all scared of their own shadows" watering-down, not a grammatical or stylistic complaint.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

What music magazines are good these days? I have no idea.

Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

$$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

What's up your ass?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was speaking strictly in terms of SPIN magazine, Fritz, and it wasn't one of my usual tirades about how stuff was much better then (which isn't categorically true, by the way). SPIN, however, used to be ahead of the curve. Now it struggles to keep up with the curve, panting like an exhausted walrus.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex is right Fritz. Except I guess I'd put it a bit later, maybe '90? I dunno, whenever Leland and Kogan and Sheffield and Eddy and Coley and McNiel and so forth stopped writing. I mean, no offense to any ILXors who contribute but the current writing just can't compete with that lineup, no fucking way.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

i drank a lot of Meister Brau in 1988.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

My favorite "letter from the editor" ever was in a Details magazine from its latter "phase one" days. The editor wrote a column talking about this wonderful $3500 leather jacket he purchased, and then weeped about how he was too frightened to wear it out anywhere, lest it get damaged by rain/wind/etc. I hope it's keeping him warm in Central Park at night, haha.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

a lot of Blatz and Iron City too.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

lol can u imagine

flopson, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 21:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

if this is it for Spin, you gotta give it credit, it took this thread almost exactly 10 years to come true

could be the moron who originated it

Pale Smiley Face (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 22:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

if somebody just lost their job I think they get a pass on writing style for the day

katherine, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 22:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

Miss dash snowden

, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 00:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

dash snowden was a lady? a single lady? ::straightens tie::

scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 01:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

Back off, buster. I saw her first

, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 01:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

Go Fug Yourself?

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:12 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just visited that. Credit them for committing themselves to their atrocious branding: They work some variation of "fug" into nearly every headline

― Evan R, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:14 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my partner used to love go fug yourself, though i've not heard her mention it in a lnog while

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 10:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

guilty lol @ "Aswad"

"Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 28 March 2014 21:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wow, Jem Aswad has been around forever. When I went to my first CMJ Convention back in 1989, he was a panellist working for Dutch East India Trading Company, I think!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 28 March 2014 22:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i always thought he was a chick named jen

sorry bro

j., Friday, 28 March 2014 22:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

not surprising for reasons that have nothing to do with jem, who is a good dude

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 March 2014 04:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Knowing SPIN's state these days, you could have stopped after the first two words.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 29 March 2014 04:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

well yeah

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 March 2014 06:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

DON: Hey, that's my line.

some dude, Saturday, 29 March 2014 12:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

GLENN: Never mind, Henley. Fuckin' pencil necks.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 March 2014 12:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

happy tenth anniversary to this thread

maura, Sunday, 30 March 2014 00:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

belated

maura, Sunday, 30 March 2014 00:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Slow motion drain-circling in the Internet Age.

MV, Monday, 31 March 2014 03:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

but, yeah, jem is a completely good dude.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 31 March 2014 03:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://bandwidth.wamu.org/what-does-this-thievery-corporation-review-mean/

http://www.spin.com/#reviews/thievery-corporation-saudade/

April Fools’ Day joke? Elaborate pan? It’s unclear, at least to me. The review by Spin contributor Garrett Kamps, dated April 1, ostensibly sets out to assess the new long-player from D.C.’s Thievery Corporation, which came out on the same day. What it does instead is copy text from the Wikipedia page for “sushi.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 April 2014 18:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

shoulda saved that gag for a neneh cherry review

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 April 2014 18:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

honestly though, the copy editor didn't even fix the links
http://www.spin.com/wiki/Daikon

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 April 2014 18:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol "the copy editor"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 April 2014 19:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

fair enough

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 April 2014 20:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"Asphalt can be used to cover cobblestones. It can be taken home (if no one is lookin'). Asphalt should not be confused with, with, with, with . . . asbestos. Confuse them at your own risk. Insects will sometimes live in cement but never asphalt. Asphalt soup tastes like tar. Asphalt soap does not clean especially well. Asphalt dopes are QUITE dopey. They know nothing of asphalt (having never seen it); some live in Alaska." And now, here, the subject matter is simply gone, erased; it's not even a point to be walked away from. The screen, camera, page is blank, and Meltzer is just writing. How does it feel to be on your own?

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 4 April 2014 05:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"Asphalt dopes are QUITE dopey. They know nothing of asphalt (having never seen it); some live in Alaska." This can be connected to his (70s, 80s?) point about "Xerox rock," where we get copies of copies of copies, graying out, as time goes by.

dow, Friday, 4 April 2014 17:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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