I've just seen "Breakfast at Tiffany's" for the first time

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"Sabrina" and "My Fair Lady" are both awesome. I dig "Breakfast at Tiffanys" loads too, fuck the haterz.

Pashmina, Saturday, 17 March 2007 21:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

Her best perf is in The Nun's Story

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 March 2007 22:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

I love Charade, but it's classic because of Cary Grant. Hepburn does have that great "you know what's wrong with you? nothing" line, but that line works because she's talking to Cary Grant. and it's definitely a style movie more than a substance one. I said this in the "overrated" thread, but I totally don't get her, with the exception of her performance in Roman Holiday. which is kind of a slight, but I guess classic. the movie, I mean. how come nobody ever gives Gregory Peck any credit for having been uber-hot back then?

I've shamefully never read Breakfast at Tiffany's, and I fear the movie has ruined it for me. because the movie is dumb.

horseshoe, Saturday, 17 March 2007 22:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

I got from the movie that that was supposed to be *who she is*, but only in a very explained and not felt sort of way, hence the whole thing felt like a subplot.

I always got that feeling from it as well, that she ran away from her past because she's the kind of person who runs away from things, not that she runs away from situations now because of her past.

I watched the very boring Terry Gilliam film Tideland last night, which has just been made more interesting by the possibility that the little girl in it could have grown up to be like Holly Golightly.

accentmonkey, Sunday, 18 March 2007 09:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

Audrey Hepburn is ridiculously beautiful in this. It isn't very good, otherwise.

Gukbe, Sunday, 18 March 2007 13:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

this movie is great you suckas

J.D., Monday, 19 March 2007 07:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hating on Breakfast At Tiffany's means romance has died within your soul.

Anna, Monday, 19 March 2007 11:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

The book is basically a completely damn different story (well, aside from Buddy Ebsen's character, and that works brilliantly), so go ahead and read Capote please.

On balance it's a reasonably film -- Blake Edwards sort of began to establish his comedic style here (or Operation Petticoat, maybe? never saw it), which was wildly uneven but had high peaks -- it's just not convincing, even on its own terms; the Peppard character just isn't engaging.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Until I saw this movie all I knew about "Moon River" was that Edith Bunker liked to sing it.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

I always got that feeling from it as well, that she ran away from her past because she's the kind of person who runs away from things, not that she runs away from situations now because of her past.

But this is true! Both in book and movie form! Oh, that Doc Golightly was always try'na tame some wild thing, like a bird with a broken wing, but all he'd ever manage was to make it stronger so it could leave!

Anyway umm yeah I think expecting her to "run away from situations now because of her past" is a kind of pop-psychology take the story doesn't have -- Holly is a wild rootless thing, she was wild and rootless when Doc Golightly found her, she is wild and rootless from the second page of the book, where the narrator wonders where she's ended up ... the film expectation would be to explain that psychologically ("it's because of her past") and then overcome it in the final five minutes (she stays), but her place in the story is originally fixed as just being that way.

nabisco, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

Did you see her in "the children's hour"? Also a "daring topic" for its time.

Wiggy Woo, Monday, 19 March 2007 20:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

the film expectation would be to explain that psychologically ("it's because of her past") and then overcome it in the final five minutes (she stays), but her place in the story is originally fixed as just being that way.

I guess my problem with the film is, as Hurting says, that the Doc Golightly stuff feels like it's supposed to be offering an explanation, without offering much of a good one. Also, I agree with you. Adurey Hepburn is just too controlled to have been 'wild'. It never slips.

accentmonkey, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 07:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I even have that problem with Adurey in Funny Face. At least until she finally breaks loose and does her beatnik dance in the cave.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

My problem with Funny Face is that she's the one who's supposed to have a funny face, and she's starring opposite Fred Astaire.

accentmonkey, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that too!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I wish I could find the thread where s1ocki zinged J.D. with some bad Mr. Yunioshi schtick.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Actually I think it was me that zinged him.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

But s1ocki said "zing."

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Actually slocki made the same point on this thread.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

"MISTA RAUTERBACH!"

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine swears by Robin and Marian.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can barely watch her in Wait Until Dark. I felt sorry for Alan Arkin's inability to kill her.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

I once saw Alan Arkin waiting in line with his family at the Lincoln Center IMAX. He looked glum, as celebs sometimes do in real life, like one of his glummer characters, like his character in Glengarry Glen Ross or his character in Slums Of Beverly Hills after a meeting with his more successful brother Carl Reiner but before thinking of going to The Sizzler. But then again, I've crossed paths with pretty much every actor in that movie.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Didn't you yell "Serpentine"? or "Help the bombardier"?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

No, but I thought about it!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine Alan Arkin NOT looking glum.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

She was pretty bad in "Wait until Dark", I can't deny it.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

When she would come on the Oscars in her late 50s looking 85 pounds, I wanted to throw her a sammich.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

I saw the Seinfeld episode recently where George joins the book club and has to read Breakfast at Tiffany's, but instead forces himself into the home of the family who rented it.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

A conversation between my wife and me concerning Audrey Hepburn:

SS: "I hate Audrey Hepburn!"
PP: "You, you what? How can you hate Audrey Hepburn?"
SS: "Because she gave up that cat in that movie!"
PP: "But it was a movie! In real life, she, like, helped feed hungry children and UNICEF and all that."
SS: "SHE GAVE UP THE CAT."

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm with you, but I don't feel up to playing nabisco and explaining why right now.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

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James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I Must Protest

James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

WTF, SS is ass-backward: Audrey ran back and got the cat! Book-Holly abandons that sucker something fierce, setting up one of the better last sentences of a book I've ever come across. (Animal lovers will be happy to hear it gets taken in by a nice family in Harlem or something.)

nabisco, Saturday, 24 March 2007 22:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

the cat is pretty much the focal point of the movie for me. well, that and as i've already said: the party scenes (okay, am also a sucker for the very-early-morning nyc walking)

rrrobyn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

It's really not very good.
― Hurting 2, Friday, March 16, 2007 11:44 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

she's much more tolerable in Charade, where her airheadedness is used as a comic device ("What does all this have to do with the CIO?")

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Charade" is the best

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I kept wondering if they made Breakfast at Tiffany's today, would Holly be like some Cobrasnake Kreayshawn MySpace scene kid?

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mandy Moore as Holly, Peter Saaaaarsgaaard as the Not Gay One, Meryl Streep as the Jap.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I kept wondering if they made Breakfast at Tiffany's today, would Holly be like some Cobrasnake Kreayshawn MySpace scene kid?

No.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Sunday, 1 April 2012 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok then?

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

its settled

dayo, Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i kind of wish i knew some people old enough to see this in 1961, because I'm curious what the general opinion of Mr. Yunioshi was back THEN, unfiltered through 50 years of discussion and deconstruction

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anglo actors did broad racial shtick quite frequently then. Then you add in Rooney's subtle instincts.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

right, but I think everyone (at least with a brain) agrees that's fucked up in 2012?

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh. my. god. xp.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

sure, I don't think you'll find someone on ilx defending the 'performance'. can't say the same for the rest of the country. xp

dayo, Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, frogbs still posts here iirc

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

What mostly undoes her WUD work is how she's encouraged to act stupider than she is.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

And blinder.

old people are made of poop (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

why couldn't Efrem Zimbalist Jr. have a fridge fall on him

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Still, better Henri Mancini music than B@T's.

old people are made of poop (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

On a very highbrow note, the Seinfeld episode where George cheats on his book club was on yesterday. "So--are we still talking, or are we watching the movie?"

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am reminded of robert crumb's angry letter to ivan brunetti in schizo: 'i HATE audrey hepburn and all her ilk!!!'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's mentioned that Holly or "Lula" was 14 when she got married - that implies that she might have been running away from a genuinely awful situation and not just some kindly old dolt who she doesn't love.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:24 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In the book, Doc says that Holly and her brother were orphaned and fending for themselves when he took them in, and Holly claims her sexual history before she married Doc (at age 14) "doesn't count," so yes, Holly was coming from a very rough background.

Officially I don't believe in the concept of the "guilty pleasure." But the BoT film is such a glossy-gorgeous shell around such a grotty story, that I hate to see it held up as a fashion or lifestyle icon.

i like slash and i vote (j.lu), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

nah -- I wish more women used cigarette holders and named their cats Cat.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't forget about her earplug/rings!

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's a heartwarming story of manipulative urban whores with some touching old-style racism for leavening. Cat was hot tho, despite being left out in the rain.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

did y'all know that this film was originally john frankenheimer and george axelrod's baby? then the studio hired audrey hepburn and she wanted frankenheimer off the project.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think f. maybe wanted kim stanley to star.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda wish we'd all stop talking about the "racism"

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Mickey Rooney character is egregious!

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Patricia Neal is kind of lovely in this, though.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

misread that as Patrice O'Neal at first and lol

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno. The film is fraught in more interesting ways than Mickey Rooney's textbook caricature..

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Holly is definitely more louche in the novella - it kind of reminds me of whom Cole Porter wished to play him in a film bio ('Night and Day'); Cary Grant.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

but Cary Grant COULD have played him a better film! I mean, Cary Grant is the distillation of every Cole Porter song character.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was a hit too

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like my demi-mondaines a little real and cruffy around the edges or I like them like Zola's Nana, entirely too OTT.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i reread the novella a couple years ago and was amazed how dislikeable holly was! which of course is the point -- in real life, ppl like holly are impossible to be friends with.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

the film kind of gets that across a little maybe?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

It does if you look past Hepburn's natural charm. I like her so much better in 'Roman Holiday'.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

It just occurred to me that José Luis de Vilallonga is in both "Breakfast at Tiffany's' and 'Darling' - interesting comparing the two.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Having been to Rome a few times over the past 2 years, we watched RHol recently.

The scene where they're driving crazy through town on scooters, I keep expecting them to crash into all the market barrows selling Audrey Hepburn souvenirs!

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

so there's a stage adap opening on Broadway in March; faithful to Capote, ie, set during WW2 and presumably FRED IS GAY.

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/173395-Broadways-Breakfast-at-Tiffanys-Goes-on-Sale-to-General-Public-Dec-24

gonna disappoint a lotta Audrey-lovin' tourists

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink


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