Nice review, ilxor. Glad you're keeping this thread going. I need to hit the shop and pick up that used copy of Juju I saw recently. I read somewhere that with Speak No Evil Shorter was really branching out with new players, as he was trying to disprove those who dismissed him as simply a Coltrane-acolyte (on the preceding Juju he is backed by Tyner/Garrison/Jones).
NP: Alice Coltrane, Ptah The El Daoud (this is really doing it for me this am)
― xtianDC, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Cool, I'm watching for Juju... pretty sure that's counted among his "great" records, right?
Love that Alice Coltrane album, need to post some thoughts on it. Played it endlessly the night before a 50 mile trail run a few wks ago... perfect way to get in the right frame of mind to run for 12 hours. :)
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Woah, that is some intense running! So have you found any jazz albums in particular that are well suited for a running playlist?
― xtianDC, Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, I haven't uploaded my jazz albums to iTunes/iPod yet, for a few reasons. Mainly that I don't have enough hard-drive space at the moment (UGH) but also, I'm enjoying listening to them in long-form mode, not on shuffle.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, ilxor, i don't think i've ever heard a wayne shorter record that wasn't great. his initial run of 6 or so records is pretty flawless. my favorite is either the all-seeing eye or adam's apple.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OT: ilxor I haven't checked the running thread for a long, long time cos I've been injured and didn't want to fill it up with dreary moaning but this -> "50 mile trail run" is hardcore & props 2 U
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
his initial run of 6 or so records is pretty flawless.
Talking about his run of solo records starting in '64 or so, all on Blue Note?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
hell yeah
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor, your description of shorter is very insightful and otm. I think he's always slightly underrated as a composer, and what he does as an improviser is always informed by senses of composition and restraint, even though it's also very searching and expressive.
― The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
shorter was pretty unstoppable in the 60s -- his stuff with the Jazz Messengers is great, too.
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Need volunteers for the resumed http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=79981#unread
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 28 February 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
that is ILX0RS: JAZZ IS THE TEACHER. YEAH, IT'S A JAZZ THING >> THE ILM JAZZ LISTENING CLUB! [NEW CHOICES EVERY WEDNESDAY!] btw
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 28 February 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Question regarding Alice Coltrane: I have and love both Journey in Satchidananda and Ptah the El Daoud. Noticed over the weekend that my local now has used copies of The Monastic Trio, Universal Consciousness and the live one from the later seventies (Transfiguration, I think?). Anyone care to comment on the essential-ness of any of these titles?
― xtianDC, Monday, 28 February 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't view Monastic Trio as particularly essential, 'cause a piano trio is a piano trio. Universal Consciousness, though, is fucking great. Worth it for "Battle at Armageddon" alone, an organ-drums duo with Rashied Ali which totally lives up to its title. Transfiguration is also pretty apocalyptic and totally worthwhile, if a little overwhelming at times. Of the three, I'd go with UC.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 28 February 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah Universal Consciousness is great
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 February 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Noticed over the weekend that my local now has used copies of The Monastic Trio, Universal Consciousness and the live one from the later seventies (Transfiguration, I think?). Anyone care to comment on the essential-ness of any of these titles?
Not essential. No, none of them... not essential at all. Pick them up immediately and mail them to me. I'll do the listening so you don't have to waste your time.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey & co are you taking a week in the newly reformed jazz club?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha. If it's any consolation, ilxor, the used prices you are paying seem quite a bit lower than what is available around here. I believe these were all priced in the $8.99 and up range. I know that UC is waaay out of print, though. And it just so happens that I had forgotten that a copy of that album recently....uhhh...fell off a truck and I have a copy in my iTunes to check out.
To be honest, I almost wanted to buy The Monastic Trio alone for its awesome typography:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/A_Monastic_Trio_%28Alice_Coltrane%29.jpg/220px-A_Monastic_Trio_%28Alice_Coltrane%29.jpg
― xtianDC, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the two best jazz albums are
bill evans - sunday at the village vanguarderic dolphy - iron man
so get those!
― uberweiss, Monday, 28 February 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't view Monastic Trio as particularly essential, 'cause a piano trio is a piano trio.
I agree that it's not ranked with Universal Consciousness necessarily but I find Monastic Trio interesting precisely because it shows Alice doing her thing in the context of "just a piano trio," sessions like that really give a player the opportunity to make their style clear imo, so that's why I love it.
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Phil, how does Monastic Trio compare to Schlippenbach Trio?
― sarahel, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Found all of these at the record shop over my lunch hour (and can't recall any being discussed to date). Going back after 5pm this afternoon to get several. Which of these are most worth hearing?
Don Cherry - Symphony for ImprovisersJoe Henderson - In JapanThelonious Monk - Solo MonkThelonious Monk - UndergroundEvan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh HourSun Ra - Concert for the Comet KohoutekCecil Taylor - Conquistador!Cecil Taylor - Dark to ThemselvesJohn Zorn - ElegyJohn Zorn - Angelus Novus
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not much of a Schlippenbach guy; I've only heard one quartet disc (the trio you're talking about, I think, plus Evan Parker) and two discs of solo stuff. None of it particularly made me want to hear any more.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 3 March 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
unperson: can you comment on any of those records above?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
And where's AG today??
Out of those, I've only heard Underground, but that one's a true five-star album. It swings like hell, and it's a good showcase for both Monk's chops as a pianist, and his songwriting talent.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
solo monk is great too
― adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Kohoutek is awesome, one of my favorite live Sun Ra recs along with Life Is Splendid.
― sleeve, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm really... I have always bagged off picking it up. I share yr love of Life is Splendid tho
― ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
The cover art is so amateur-looking on that Sun Ra record that I can understand being put off.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well that kinda comes with the territory (altho there are a ton of gorgeous sleeves as well)
― ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Schlippenbach Trio is great.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51stUoacv2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg -VS- http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G57y39jwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
can't say I like either of those lol
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MDB0AGGHL._SS500_.jpg
^^^that's my shit right there
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
that looks better than most ppl's shit iirc
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't remember if I linked this already; http://sickmouthy.com/2011/01/16/top-ten-jazz-albums/
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf dude most of your list is neither recent nor European...?
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nice list ... don't think the applause on "mercy mercy mercy" is overdubbed, i think they just invited their friends to the studio, had an open bar and pretended they were at a club.
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Only 20%, aye (wrote the intro before I picked the actual list!) but that's still 20% more than any other list I've seen. Should have out Tuesday Wonderland by e.s.t. on there, and maybe Freak In by Dave Douglas.
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
And Modern Day Jazz Stories by Courtney Pine!
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you needCecil Taylor - Conquistador!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell me more about it!
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Don Cherry - Symphony for Improvisers [Have it but haven't listened to it in a long long time]Joe Henderson - In Japan [never heard it]Thelonious Monk - Solo Monk [awesome]Thelonious Monk - Underground [awesome]Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh Hour [haven't heard it; not a Parker fan generally]Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet Kohoutek [haven't heard it; have expressed myself on Ra upthread]Cecil Taylor - Conquistador! [love love love this album; much better than Unit Structures]Cecil Taylor - Dark to Themselves [awesome but forbidding - a single 65-minute piece; band includes David S. Ware]John Zorn - Elegy [haven't heard it]John Zorn - Angelus Novus [haven't heard it]
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
You should listen to Cherry's Symphony for Improvisers tonight and report back.
(Thanks, btw!)
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Joe Henderson - In Japan
this is ok. i tend to lose my shit over joe henderson in general, really heady stuff that makes you want to listen hard to his playing and how he interacts with the band, but he doesn't do it so much on this record. iirc he was flown in and playing with a group he didn't really know. they acquit themselves well, but it's not exactly telepathic communication.
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Joe Henderson - In Japan has one track that I think is amazing -- Junk Blues -- and the rest is just ok.
― The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually maybe not AMAZING, but a very good high-speed modal blowout with some pretty excellent playing from a Japanese rhythm section I had never previously heard of.
― The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet Kohoutek
Not really crazy about this one, and I'm a Sun Ra fan (though a picky one). The possibly unintentionally sped up version of "Englightenment" (one of the musicians has reportedly said he cannot play that fast, after hearing this recording--I forget the source for that) is worth hearing at least. It's among Sun Ra's more depressing recordings, due to the content of some of the spoken word. I suppose the transcendent stuff is supposed to come in at the end and come to the rescue, but unfortunately: "This is not life! This is not life! This is DEATH! disguised as life. . ." feels too true for me much of the time. It's been a while since I've heard this album. Not sure what I'd think now.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 4 March 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Picked these up confidently, for starters:
Thelonious Monk - Solo MonkThelonious Monk - UndergroundCecil Taylor - Conquistador!
Bought these to kick off my exposure to Henderson/Parker/Zorn, though I'm not sure if I'll like all of 'em (especially Zorn from what I've heard about his aesthetic/style/etc.):
Joe Henderson - In JapanEvan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh HourJohn Zorn - ElegyJohn Zorn - Angelus Novus
Wanted to get this, but decided to wait for the remastered version to come around:
Don Cherry - Symphony for Improvisers
Held off for now:
Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet KohoutekCecil Taylor - Dark to Themselves
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link