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finally listening to the album, this is rad

i was totally disappointed though when that cliche romantic electric bell piano patch showed up at the end of "crystal rope" and it turned out to just be interlude noodling and not the intro to a real song

ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 07:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is the worst album in the world, and the fucking up of the totally awesome original godley and creme is its feed you a crap sandwich calling card

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 07:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

lets agree to disagree

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

nah this is shit.

srsly have no idea why this cover exists outside of hipster lols look all my pals are in a video recreation + look we can pitch shift too. its completely terrible. and lots of these peeps are great when they're doing their own thing, but its like their shitty one off "lol aor" joke is the fucking critical bees knees. wtf

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

sorry to go so aggro, im just so bummed out that this seems to be the new face of the MPLS/STPL music scene when it is just so laughably awful and irritating in every way

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure lots of ppl like it for more than 'hipster lols'

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

well i think the point is that it's NOT going for lols & instead it seems to most ppl like they have a genuine appreciation for the music

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

huh

i mean im glad to be wrong, but nothing in their version of the video says anything other than "pomo obscure reference that people will get if theyre in the know oh shit look we got that actual old dude to be in our video check it" to me. obv part of this is that i think the cover itself is pretty much 100% nudge nudge get it awful.

and sorry if im being a jerk to people that actually enjoy it, i just have no idea why they do.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree w/jjjusten

also "they have a genuine appreciation for the music" is really not an adequate defense - i have a genuine appreciation for mariah carey - doesn't mean anyone needs to hear me try to emulate her - i know this and so should gayngs, if they can't actually pull it off, which they can't

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

"they have a genuine appreciation for the music" i'm only using this as a defense against the idea that they're in it for lols

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

"they have a genuine appreciation of the music" is only being said in response to people who erroneously assume the project is "lol aor".

Whether it's good music or not is a separate question (it is though, FYI).

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really know, it's impossible to really, what their genuine motivation is, but i think the accusation, here & elsewhere, of a band being "in it for the lols" comes when their music is an overt attempt to mimic or revive a particular aesthetic that gets it not-quite-right, so it's part & parcel of their failure of execution

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha Xpost

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's not an overt attempt to mimic though lex, they're mixing all sorts of ideas.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

You don't even like any of the stuff they're influenced by!

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

they're mixing failed attempts at good ideas with straight-up bad ideas

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Like for example I don't know how anyone can look at that live video 20 or so posts up and not get buried under the smug grossness of it? This is not a bunch of people appreciating anything, it's a gross "oh shit lol let's all wear white tuxes" lampoon parade.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Xposts

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

jjjusten otm re: video/ wink wink nudge nudge. fuck this band.

that said, i still really like about half the songs on this album but i really hate the other half

gr8080, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

lex and jjjusten so off the money ITT it's untrue. i know it might be hard to believe, but not everything that references an influence from the past is supposed to be ironic. also, there's a lot more going on in Gayngs' music than simply paying tribute to mid-80s AOR. if that g&c cover hadn't been on the album, maybe people would be focusing less on this aspect.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's not so much that Gayngs aren't ironic (though this is hardly their focus) but that there's a huge spectrum of possible constellations of irony and sincerity and "meaning it" and feeling slightly self-conscious about your influences or maybe just reflecting on them and trying to come up with a different take or maybe just doing what you do but being aware that nonetheless what you're doing is somewhat retro and cannot help but be perceived that way or etc. etc. and it's really reductive to act as if the presence of any of those qualities = nudge nudge wink wink.

People acted the same way about electroclash at first as well. Now that we've been so constantly surrounded by early 80s dayglo ephemeralia for so long we're numb to it and we don't read into it nearly as much as we did 9 or 10 years ago.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

“The postmodern reply to the modern consists of recognizing that the past, since it cannot really be destroyed, because its destruction leads to silence, must be revisited: but with irony, not innocently. I think of the postmodern attitude as that of a man who loves a very cultivated woman and knows he cannot say to her, 'I love you madly,' because he knows that she knows (and that she knows that he knows) that these words have already been written by Barbara Cartland. Still, there is a solution. He can say, 'As Barbara Cartland would put it, I love you madly.'"

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

anyway i dont really read this as "smug" at all, but even if i did... who cares? i like a lot of smug bands. musicians dont have to be earnest and humble to be good

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

ALSO "cry" is HARDLY an "obscure reference"! it was a top 40 hit with a hugely famous music video

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

god i hate eco

thomp, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

tim OTM in any event, focusing on their sincerity/smugness/seriousness/joking is kind of a red herring. they are likely joking/serious/earnest/smug/ironic/innocent all at the same time, to various degrees. also there are like 40 people in this goddamn band i doubt they all feel exactly the same way

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

lets agree to disagree

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Whenever lex complains about a band (which seriously seems to be happening like 24hrs a day. How do you live being so unhappy all the time? When do you sleep?), it just makes me want to listen to them.

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol good luck with that

Jari Litmandem (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really don't want to dogpile on lex here, but jaxon sort of hits on a point about what bugs me about lex from time to time. He is a great writer and his enthusiasm for stuff is thrilling and contagious (I wouldn't have given Girl Unit a chance without his "Wut" love), but it does get old seeing him pop up in thread after thread to remind us how much he hates "indie". I guess its just frustrating to see someone spending more energy on stuff they hate than stuff they love, but thats long been a complaint of mine with certain critics and I don't think its likely to change.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm fairly sure that about 80% of the music i talk and write about is stuff i love, repping for it and pointing people towards it - the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

also smugness only works if you've got something to be smug about!!!!

(gayngs don't)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i mean, we agree about the smugness charge, its a red herring

max, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think of the postmodern attitude as that of a man who loves a very cultivated woman and knows he cannot say to her, 'I love you madly,' because he knows that she knows (and that she knows that he knows) that these words have already been written by Barbara Cartland. Still, there is a solution. He can say, 'As Barbara Cartland would put it, I love you madly.'"

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

rmde

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean replace "radiohead" with "the-dream" and you'd be up in arms.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you missing the point on purpose or

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

yes, he is

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

im not used to lex joking

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lex isn't being specifically annoying in this thread, he's just engaging in the kind of shifting position, multi-walled fortress approach to arguing which is ilx's modus operandi:

a. making sweeping pronouncements which seem more based on a general vibe picked up than any close study of the music;
b. when called out on it, strategically abandon that part of the argument which seems least sustainable, retreat to a new defensive position;
c. make a new argument salvaged from bits of the former argument and other bits which might be totally inconsistent with it, though the overarching conclusion (this sux) survives; and
d. repeat.

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

See the thing is this music has nothing to do with any of the things you've just listed. I think Lex the reason I have to harp at you when you start posting at these threads is that you dislike such a broad swathe of stuff surrounding this music that your dichotomies invariably feel really off-base, I'm sure there is indie music which would work for the Paris Hilton comparison you want to make but Gayngs isn't it (A Mountain of One would have been closer though).

It's like, you're surveying from above and trying to describe what's on the ground but can't see through the massive tropical storm of hate obscuring everything.

Though I suspect that maybe the "unformed argument" you're referring to was really concocted with Destroyer in mind and you're just mentioning it here as a placefiller?

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost Sorry the above sounds more critical than I mean it. There are whole swathes of music that I like but feel uncomfortable writing about in great detail because I don't think I've got an adequate handle on the context (hence I simply identify the rap I'm really into rather than wax lyrical about it most of the time), obv I think you're better at operating outside of your comfort zone than I am.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh what the hell, how bad could it be...

... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

thus ends today's installment of "DJP listens to something he already knew he was going to hate"

tomorrow: Taylor Swift!*

* not really

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Interpol? WTF? I mean LOL it up fuzzball but really... get a grip man.

Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

i heard the 'cry' cover a long time ago and kinda just ignored it. i love the original and didn't see the need for it. then i heard 'gaudy side of town' and was like "it's so on". the rest of the record is so different than both of them. it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production. it's kinda record collector geek music. which is why i love it obvs.

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Doran, would you have been less annoyed if I'd said Editors?

DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink


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