Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

huh. the "one hand in the air" part seems more like a proper chorus in that it's more sonically distinct from the verses.

i think it's def "thirty white bitches"

that song is utter garbage tho

i keep telling myself that i'm wrong about kanYe and that i'll eventually come around to this album's brilliance. but after watching the 'all of the lights' video, hearing those godawful opening lines about MJ and that rocky theme song bullshit, i know im not wrong. who the fuck is this charlatan? dude's aesthetics are just so out of whack

otm

my hate for "All Of The Lights" has really blossomed since it's started getting radio play -- i can't believe he does the "i hold my head/ spent that bread" rhyme twice

the verses on that song are so bad

http://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/40558382377082880#
lol

Anyone know why the official video for 'Monster' has been removed from the youtubes? I only find fan made vids and lo-quality clips.

Also: Jay-z's contribution makes me cringe everytime I hear it. Is there an edited version to be found without him?

How many fans of this album have since recanted?

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I was firmly, joyously, unyieldingly in the hate column, ilxor.

For a second I thought this was the REM thread and my head was spinning.

i have such high hopes that in 9 years we'll be looking back on this decade and marveling how much better hip hop got than this album, with or without Kanye's help

but who will break it to SFJ?

I was firmly, joyously, unyieldingly in the hate column, ilxor.

ha i know sorry

I don't think this album is supposed to be a benchmark album for the genre... or is it? It's a good album but not precisely innovative or influential imho.

It had a spectral influence on certain critics.

but who will break it to SFJ? SFJ, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, PopMatters, EW, XXL, The Independent, and every other critical institution that has already inducted MBDTMDTBMFDMBTFBMFTDTMF into the canon?

Fucking hideous mess.

Since this is hardly the first time a later album by an established artist has been hailed as an immediate classic, there's no reason to believe anyone will have to recant or "remove" it from the canon. As I kinda said upthread, you just put My Aim Is True in the Top 100 Of All Time a few years later and ignore that you gave a higher rating to Imperial Bedroom when it came out.

the canon is established over time, not by immediate reviews - by definition MBDTF is not canon yet

ideally in 9 years the very idea of the canon will have been destroyed, though

Talking Heads Pazz'n'jop Placements: 77 (#7, 170 points), More Songs About Buildings And Food (#5, 317 points), Fear Of Music (#4, 620 points), Remain In Light (#3, 863 points), Speaking In Tongues (#3, 746 points), Little Creatures (#1, 1078 points)

It's not like anyone had to answer for this.

so were talking heads getting better, or was music getting worse....?

Critics were getting older.

well you could say the same about kanye's status xpost

and Leon's getting LARGER

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8NFF04Yfm2E/R1GuOg5Z01I/AAAAAAAAAK4/jQMWlrJpwgI/s320/johnny.jpg

so appalled really is an amazingly terrible song. rivals jay's monster verse for lowpoint of this

wtf, i like that one...

just in terms of songs that plain don't work, nothing really beats out "Dark Fantasy", although the verses on "All of the Lights" rival it.

Still think both the hate and the love are overblown; this is basically a decent Kanye album with a couple of great songs on it released in a year where most high profile music was out-and-out garbage.

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I hope the Muppet MONSTER video gets a mention.

glad someone else got the first response in before i said "I WILL SLIT YOUR THROAT YOU FUCKING KRAUT" or something

woah.. in that case, me too!

cool now i can finally read the whole thread without crashing my browser

^^^inappropriate display name/post combos

we pour one out for kl0pper -- wherever you are, i hope 'graduation' is there pleasing yeh

^this has to be the dedication/epigraph

"ope the Muppet MONSTER video gets a mention."

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perfect

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remember when this was the album with no singles? anyway, i think "all of the lights" would've had potential of a classic stadium song if the verses weren't so bad/self-centered

somethin' wrong
i hold my head
classic? no
my verses bad

lol

ilxor otm

they closed down the two borders i used to go to :(

ha yeah that lyric feels like a period piece

"All of the Lights" becoming a pretty big radio hit is a little surprising (although unless it makes a big Hot 100 surge this'll still be the first Kanye album with no top 10 hit), but a few months ago i started hearing "Live Your Life" on the radio ALL THE TIME again as a recurrent and in that context it makes sense that a retarded cousin of that song like "Lights" would do well.

"all of the lights" >>>>>>> "live your life"

lol ship i had the same experience w/ "live your life" -- i was very puzzled