The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

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does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

"vibrate" is nuts

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)

blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.

This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?

tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.

In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either

that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love "Superhero"

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

any good?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

booty in da pants

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything

prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.

If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.

"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

"hey" is amazing yes

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

ship otm

"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

kmt

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

:D

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i feel like an asshole for loving "vibrate" the most cuz it sounds like the one that terius & los would've done

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

if anything i feel bad for loving the swagged-out ones so much. I'M ON MY SUPERMAN SHIT, WHIPPIN UP TOWN, BLOWIN UP SHIIEEET

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's why "runway" is the best -- bragging about her hair being real

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

NO HORSES UP HERE

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

exactly

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

they say they new guccis but i had em last year
i'm rocking everything that you really wanna wear

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

i also like to think that naomi campbell references in r&b have proliferated precisely because of her capacity for assault & battery with swarovski-encrusted blackberrys

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage

haha, no longer feel weird for suggesting to kev k that vibrate kinda sounds like promise

dayo, Saturday, 2 April 2011 10:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

props to Tim F for an excellent thread title that grabbed my attention and got me to listen to this, because I probably would've ignored it otherwise. listening for the first time now, and it's amazing!

I think I fell in love with her the second I saw there was a song called "Me Myself & Y" (not quite living up to the title, especially following up the excellent excellent "Hey", but still pretty good)

bernard snowy, Saturday, 2 April 2011 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh and now "Broken Record" is up next — poor lil "MMY", sandwiched in between these two motherfucking monsters

bernard snowy, Saturday, 2 April 2011 12:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

okay I realize that confessing this will probably make me public enemy #1 on this thread, but I still haven't listened to Last Train — just couldn't get excited about it, honestly. but if it's anywhere near Tell Tale Heart in terms of production and atmosphere/mood...

bernard snowy, Saturday, 2 April 2011 14:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah TTH is very close to LTTP in sound and mood, definitely check it out. better late than never!

sarraghmaclachlan (some dude), Saturday, 2 April 2011 14:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

dope:

doper:

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really wish there was a CDQ version of Tell Tale Heart... or at least one that isn't so compressed and muddy sounding

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

^^^

i thought this was just gonna be a prelude to an album proper but everything's gone a bit quiet on the dawn richard front? this is still amazing though

HE ON ME LIKE BUTTER ON BREAD
FRONT ROW WHEN I'M DOIN MY DANCE

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 14 November 2011 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

official title is the prelude to a tell tale heart, right?

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 14 November 2011 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad you bumped this when I didn't have any dawn richard synced to my iphone

ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha i totally relate, h8 it when that happens

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i didn't know she's from New Orleans. feeling the Mardi Gras Indians samples.

lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

She's playing in London in June. Bought tickets the instant I saw they were onsale.

Matt DC, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

Just got back from a holiday and listened to blackheart again for the first time in a couple weeks after listening to it non-stop before that, I don't think an album has affected me this much in years, really stunning.

kruezer2, Monday, 16 March 2015 17:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

New video for Projection

Jeff W, Monday, 16 March 2015 20:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

Goldenheart is one of my favorite albums from the last few years. I haven't heard much of the new album yet, but wow, 'Projection' is great as to be expected.

lowlytootle, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 06:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

As much as I generally share in the enthusiasm for the new Kendrick album, I can't help contrasting the deserved hype for that and Black Messiah with how little attention Blackheart has gotten. (With a few worthy exceptions.) There haven't been two great modern R&B concept albums in the last three months, there have been three. I know she's not as big a solo name and wasn't as anticipated as D'Angelo or Kendrick, but I think the album belongs in that company.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 05:50 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

quite possibly by way of Primal Scream! (by way of Mudhoney)

2-chords, a farfisa organ and peons to the lord (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 March 2015 06:11 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

There haven't been two great modern R&B concept albums in the last three months, there have been three.

four because i'd absolutely put jazmine sullivan's reality show up there with them in terms of songwriting, if not self-consciously out-there production/arrangements

blackheart is the best by miles but what can you do, it's not about its quality that it's not in that conversation

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 March 2015 07:05 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

The Jazmine Sullivan album is great but doesn't feel high concept in the way that the other three are.

Otherwise, I just want to catalogue amazing *moments* in this record, because its attention to detail is just jawdropping. The bit where the bottom just drops out of Titans and there's a couple of minutes of ambient drift before Warriors is astonishing. Also, in the penultimate chorus of Phoenix, at the point when she sings "all rise", there's the sound of something crashing to earth.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 March 2015 11:16 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

We should avoid praising albums for how Important they are.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:10 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Importance is slippery, but I think worth talking about -- if only to broaden the notion of what counts as important. (e.g., I was glad "You Don't Own Me" was given so much credit for importance in the Lesley Gore obits.) I don't love Blackheart because it's important, I love it because it blows my mind and sounds amazing on the stereo. But I do also think it's important, and oughta be recognized as such.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:34 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I wasn't looking at you, tipsy, but at the suspicion that Sullivan's album is good but lacks the marquee value of D'Angelo or Kendrick Lamar's. btw listen to it!

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:36 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Haha I was just thinking that I need to. I will!

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:44 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I didn't say it wasn't important, I said it wasn't high-concept.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:33 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

reality show / blackheart / black messiah / to pimp a butterfly all amazing high-concept albums (reality show more subtly so) that i love and it's a shame that both jazmine and dawn aren't getting the kind of broad critical raves that D and Kendrick are.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:29 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Jazmine and Dawn are getting ignored by many critics. Dawn, in large part part because for some reason some media sites act as if they can't find a smal indie project like hers; and I guess Sullivan is somehow just cursed with being r'n'b and not "high concept" "indie/artsy" r'n'b . But you all know that.

Some of that attention for the likes of D'angelo and now Lamar almost makes me want to be contrarian and ignore both of them for just being crit-bait. Former Voice writer Greg Tate who doesn't do much writing these days, suddenly penning a Lamar review in Rolling Stone seems typical (and I have long loved Tate's writing)-- jazz elements check; spoken word check; P-funk aspects check; socio-political lyrics check. I bet he likes the Sullivan one too, or would if he heard it, but will anyone let him write about it without high concept aspects or retro signifiers?

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2015 13:56 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

That's what I was getting at in my post, but let's be clear: Kendrick Lamar draws clicks, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:24 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Sadly true.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:19 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Agreed -- and btw having caught up on the Jazmine Sullivan album, I am totally on board with it, great record. Even in a perfect world, the D'Angelo and Kendrick albums have some built-in hype generators that are going to eclipse a lot of other worthy things. It's just jarring that so much of what's lauded about those two -- ambition, adventurousness, musicianship, personal vision, sheer talent -- is also true of the Dawn/Jazmine albums that you'd hope there would at least be a little more notice.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:30 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

#BlackWomenVisionariesMatter

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:31 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I love Dawn's album but it feels diffuse in a way that Kendrick's doesn't. I listen to it way WAY more than D'Angelo, though.

DJP, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:48 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

built-in hype generators

well it's exactly these that don't get interrogated, isn't it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:57 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The fact that #ATellTaleHeart is so quiet/nmastered means I can rly only listen to it in bed at night, which is maybe actually to its advantage

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

*u

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

A very underrated record even in the context of Dawn's discography IMO

Tim F, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:49 (4 days ago) Permalink

It's gorgeous so far. Listened to DJP's playlist off the Kendrick thread and fell for it hard enough to want to listen to everything chronologically

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:51 (4 days ago) Permalink

you know, I've never actually heard it

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:55 (4 days ago) Permalink

(A Tell Tale Heart I mean, I've heard all the songs I listed on the Kendrick thread lol)

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:56 (4 days ago) Permalink

a tell tale heart is amazing but i would return to it so much more if the sooooound quaaaaaality was proper

lex pretend, Friday, 17 April 2015 14:38 (4 days ago) Permalink


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