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actually...the whole run from intro (the fall) to the end is :O

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^^

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 13:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

finally sitting down with A Tell Tale Heart and damn yeah, this is great. very considerate of the Diddy-Dirty Money folks to already start turning Last Train To Paris into its own little genre with the release of this and the Valentine's Day mixtape just a couple months later.

funny that I was the first person to mention this record's existence on ILM but like the 30th to actually hear it.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

talking of the LTTP mini-genre, did everyone hear the lektro black mixtape diddy did with felix da housecat that was meant to precede it (well, it did precede it, just by a year rather than a few months)? one of the most banging hours of music i've ever heard. http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape

lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

digging the version of "I Know" on here, too, you could slot this right in place of the album version on LTTP and get closer to an ideal Chris Brown-less version of the album.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

Brandy is a useful comparison point actually, in some ways this is like Full Moon if it was an album of straight bangers.

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love this mixtape. Have to listen more but i think "vibrate" is my favorite

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

i wonder what it is about dawn that made diddy keep her around after the dissolution of dannity kane

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't she the best singer out of everyone in Danity Kane? I mean there is nothing about her that screams "super star" but I think the pop/r&b audience are so use to big personalities that a straight forward singer may seem boring. Dawn isn't boring per se but maybe Diddy needed a "real" singer around Bad Boy since Cassie was the only female for a little spell after Danity Kane split up.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i really know nothing about danity kane or any of its members, but being the best singer makes sense

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never listen to a note of Danity Kane as I don't like the idea of 5 person singing group. I saw a video of her performing with Diddy doing "Last Night" waaayy back and assumed she was better than the other four.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Danity Kane, anyone?

prescience from brainwasher!

well at least we'll be getting a Dawn solo album I guess.

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 04:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

"vibrate" is nuts

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)

blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.

This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?

tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.

In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either

that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love "Superhero"

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

any good?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

booty in da pants

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything

prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.

If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.

"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

"hey" is amazing yes

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ship otm

"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

kmt

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

:D

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

i feel like an asshole for loving "vibrate" the most cuz it sounds like the one that terius & los would've done

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

if anything i feel bad for loving the swagged-out ones so much. I'M ON MY SUPERMAN SHIT, WHIPPIN UP TOWN, BLOWIN UP SHIIEEET

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's why "runway" is the best -- bragging about her hair being real

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

NO HORSES UP HERE

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

You're seriously using Bing? I guess you could do that.

MikoMcha, Sunday, 18 January 2015 09:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

Lol my bad I forgot to never post in these threads

spliffify (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 18 January 2015 09:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

Okay, finally listening and yes to what everyone was saying above. Meaning this rules and all. Yeah.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 January 2015 16:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

my way of getting through goldenheart lately is starting it at "gleaux"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 January 2015 18:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

"levitate" was posted here without much comment but incidentally i really like "levitate"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 January 2015 19:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

god i hope "physical" appears on like redemptionheart or something

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 January 2015 19:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

With Ned on this: I love this with all my heart.

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Sunday, 18 January 2015 22:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

i thought she was headed into diminishing returns with the last album but this one is pretty special

some dude, Sunday, 18 January 2015 22:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

The detailing on this record is just some kind of next level!

I didn't get to hear it until I went into work today, but it just completely sucked me in and forced me to listen to it 3 times in a row, just to try and figure how it all fit together.

And I can't point and say exactly what the difference is, but Goldenheart, that was an album I had to work to understand and get my head around and get inside. Like, that album did not make it easy for me.

But Blackheart, despite the fact that it is just as out there, just as proggy, just as odd and strange and intense, this album is so damn moreish and "no, come in, have another listen, no, go ahead, listen again, you know want to" and every single thing about it pulls me deeper.

Damn, because now I want a physical copy because I'm so done with MP3s in 2015. :(

Branwell with an N, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

god "Choices" is legit so amazing, not just for an interlude

rob, Monday, 19 January 2015 18:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Phoenix" isn't working for me as well as "Faith" did on Armor On. It's kind of...Ryan Tedder-ish. :(

The Reverend, Monday, 19 January 2015 19:25 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah "phoenix" is def not the essential peak that "faith" was but it's less because it's tedder/sia-esque and more because it's not as undeniable a song. still works in context though.

lex pretend, Monday, 19 January 2015 20:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

i really want to include "tide" in the tracklist because it's just the most majestic thing ever, but it always feels completely sacrilegious to fuck with dawn's sequencing so i just can't.

prolego, Monday, 19 January 2015 20:38 (1 week ago) Permalink

god post-pinkprint and post-little red it feels so good to have an album that does the impeccable sequencing for you. dawn doesn't even make it complicated - crazy busy beats first, a period of calm, then the corny closing stretch, done.

"tide" (which i haven't really gotten into yet, but haven't listened to much either) and "physical" work well tacked on to the end of that for me

lex pretend, Monday, 19 January 2015 20:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

can't wrap my head around this at all but it's... incredible

out here like a flopson (tpp), Monday, 19 January 2015 20:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

People with vinyl! Is Tide a bonus at the end or...

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 15:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

This album! I'm trying to remember what day I get paid so I can buy it and let it ride roughshod all over every other album for the rest of the year. It's really the thing I needed right now.

Branwell with an N, Saturday, 24 January 2015 07:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

listening to this on headphones is like going into a wormhole. i can't even begin to note down the details i'm blown away by because so many of them keep coming. the way "blow" holds back its electro riff til the final chorus...the tension as "adderall" transitions into "sold"...the moment she starts gasping on "titans"...the alien swamp breathing on "projection"...

lex pretend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

Lol I found myself selling this to someone the other day like Kate Bush....Aphex Twin....Bjork ;_;

The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:04 (2 days ago) Permalink

i was loath to go there with the björk comparison bc 1) it's kinda meaningless bc what does "björkish" even mean sonically, 2) dawn's been waving this influence at everyone for a while, but the vocal layering and weird clicky beats on "titans" and "projection" are really pure vespertine/medúlla-era björk

also can we talk about how dawn fucks around with her voice so much, and that sour snappy low voice she uses on "billie jean"!

lex pretend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:07 (2 days ago) Permalink

I hear Prince's "Power Fantastic," Peter Gabriel's Passion soundtrack, none of the usual influences.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 January 2015 23:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

I'm not saying any of those comparisons were entirely apt.

The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:15 (2 days ago) Permalink

also can we talk about how dawn fucks around with her voice so much, and that sour snappy low voice she uses on "billie jean"!

― lex pretend, Monday, January 26, 2015 3:07 PM Bookmark

This has been a hallmark to me since she started releasing solo material!

The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:16 (2 days ago) Permalink

but not to the extent she does here - like, not just slathering on autotune like she's dressing up as imogen heap, but this huge range of what she does with her voice (both treated and how she sings)

lex pretend, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:30 (2 days ago) Permalink

I was thinking how damn PROG this record sounds and then you come and crack me up with a Passion of Peter Gabriel reference.

Branwell with an N, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 05:37 (Yesterday) Permalink

not just slathering on autotune like she's dressing up as imogen heap

this made me lol but is actually OTM about some of her earlier vocal tricks

Tim F, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 05:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

i need to read more reviews of this album, it's literally been reviewed twice

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:05 (Yesterday) Permalink

workinonit

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

:)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:10 (Yesterday) Permalink

Did you see this review, where the writer compares her to Cher--

After the recent reunion of Danity Kane and release of the band’s new album, it may come as a surprise to many that Dawn Richard is still pursuing a solo career. But listeners are in for an even bigger surprise as you soon realize that Dawn may be striving to be the new Cher of the Vegas strip but with an urban twist. Her new electronic-inspired alternative sound on her self-released album Blackheart is a huge change from what we’ve heard with Danity Kane and Dawn’s many features with artists from Bad Boy Entertainment.

...As a whole, the album is inconsistent. You cannot deny Dawn’s great vocal ability or the well written verses in the songs that do actually contain lyrics. The key to a successful solo career is establishing a definitive sound, so it’s a worry that Blackheart doesn’t have one. I wouldn’t call it an epic fail, but Dawn Richard could certainly do better.

http://fdrmx.com/dawn-richard-blackheart-album-review/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

... what

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

The techno music leads “Calypso,” then Dawn’s hip-hop personality returns in “Blow.” This song, about the anticipation of success was somewhat confusing when being sung by an established artist like Dawn Richard. But when you factor in the heavy presence of instruments, digital sound and vocals, the song is pretty good.

This site doesn't have editors, I assume.

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh it's a student review, okay

C-

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:26 (Yesterday) Permalink

i didn't need to read that review, eesh

90% of dawn richard coverage in the past week seems to be about the danity kane punch-up and/or her plastic surgery or lack thereof, ugh

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

I can confirm that this is the perfect album for cross country skiing (which I suck at), just busting my ass through a beautiful snowy wilderness. Had to take on a big hill when "Warriors" came on. Killed it.

Heez, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:59 (Yesterday) Permalink

critics presumably saving their column inches for whatever insipid afrofuturism janelle monae drops in 2015.

||||||||, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 18:42 (Yesterday) Permalink

::flame emoji::

some dude, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 18:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 18:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

Mmmmhmm

The Reverend, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:40 (Yesterday) Permalink

If anyone wants to subsidize me holding forth "at length" about this album I am accepting briefs.

Tim F, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

I only have boxers.

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

I have nothing.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:21 (Yesterday) Permalink

i am prepared to enter into some sort of foreign undergarment hedging arrangement if you have appropriate collateral.

Tim F, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:21 (Yesterday) Permalink

Nothing.

NOTHHIIIIIIIIIIIIING

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:21 (Yesterday) Permalink


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