actually...the whole run from intro (the fall) to the end is :O
― mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^^
― Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 13:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
finally sitting down with A Tell Tale Heart and damn yeah, this is great. very considerate of the Diddy-Dirty Money folks to already start turning Last Train To Paris into its own little genre with the release of this and the Valentine's Day mixtape just a couple months later.
funny that I was the first person to mention this record's existence on ILM but like the 30th to actually hear it.
― some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.
― some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
talking of the LTTP mini-genre, did everyone hear the lektro black mixtape diddy did with felix da housecat that was meant to precede it (well, it did precede it, just by a year rather than a few months)? one of the most banging hours of music i've ever heard. http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape
― lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
digging the version of "I Know" on here, too, you could slot this right in place of the album version on LTTP and get closer to an ideal Chris Brown-less version of the album.
― some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Brandy is a useful comparison point actually, in some ways this is like Full Moon if it was an album of straight bangers.
― Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i love this mixtape. Have to listen more but i think "vibrate" is my favorite
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
i wonder what it is about dawn that made diddy keep her around after the dissolution of dannity kane
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wasn't she the best singer out of everyone in Danity Kane? I mean there is nothing about her that screams "super star" but I think the pop/r&b audience are so use to big personalities that a straight forward singer may seem boring. Dawn isn't boring per se but maybe Diddy needed a "real" singer around Bad Boy since Cassie was the only female for a little spell after Danity Kane split up.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
i really know nothing about danity kane or any of its members, but being the best singer makes sense
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
I never listen to a note of Danity Kane as I don't like the idea of 5 person singing group. I saw a video of her performing with Diddy doing "Last Night" waaayy back and assumed she was better than the other four.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Danity Kane, anyone?
prescience from brainwasher!
well at least we'll be getting a Dawn solo album I guess.
― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
"vibrate" is nuts
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)
blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.
This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?
tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.
In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either
that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love "Superhero"
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique
― Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
any good?
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
booty in da pants
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything
― prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.
If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.
"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.
― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark
if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.
― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
"hey" is amazing yes
― lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
ship otm
"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
kmt
― lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
:D
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
i feel like an asshole for loving "vibrate" the most cuz it sounds like the one that terius & los would've done
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage
― lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
if anything i feel bad for loving the swagged-out ones so much. I'M ON MY SUPERMAN SHIT, WHIPPIN UP TOWN, BLOWIN UP SHIIEEET
― lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's why "runway" is the best -- bragging about her hair being real
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
NO HORSES UP HERE
― lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
the breakdown at the end of pay me was what swung me over to taking dude seriously
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:02 (2 months ago) Permalink
it's all about "teach me"
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:05 (2 months ago) Permalink
sorry to turn this into another miguel thread but this line from the all i want is you wiki entry is trippy
Music critic Robert Christgau finds the "supplicant's" song "Teach Me" to be "unprecedented" in "a genre that makes its nut promising untold pleasures", and credits it for "laying out the truth that, as Norman Mailer put it in one of the few useful sex tips in his orgasm-mad canon, 'the man as lover is dependent upon the bounty of the woman.' Who knows what pleases her? She does, she alone, and Miguel craves to be let in on that shifting and enthralling secret."
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:06 (2 months ago) Permalink
actually relistening to that track now, damn i may have underestimated this one
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 9 March 2013 23:17 (2 months ago) Permalink
― 乒乓, Sunday, 10 March 2013 02:41 (2 months ago) Permalink
imo the vinyl era concept of an 'album' works best if for no other reason than 40 or so minutes is just enough to feel like a meal without leaving much room to drag. 'double albums' that are longer than that but in some sense have discrete halves can feel overlong, but at least there's a clear point at which you can split it into 2 sittings, and maybe regard each one as its own entity. CD-era 60-80 minute albums that don't aim for any kind of double-album-ness tend to have the biggest problems with just sagging in the middle or wearing you down by the end. those kinds of things made/make sense for big artists who might only make an album every 2-4 years and each one is a huge production with dozens of tracks recorded and discarded, but i feel like for everyone else, it's better to do lots of releases and keep them short.
― some dude, Sunday, 10 March 2013 05:17 (2 months ago) Permalink
an album that has good songs all the way through but is organized so that i'm less able to appreciate how good the stuff at the end if i listen to it all in one run has a fatal flaw imo
― some dude, Sunday, 10 March 2013 05:19 (2 months ago) Permalink
not that that's an issue with Goldenheart per se -- if anything the second half is where it all comes together for me
the album is too long but in a good way - imo its sequencing is one of its biggest strengths, i find it very difficult to pick out bite-size chunks to consume - it really does demand your attention as a fully-formed body of work. and sometimes you just want bite-size chunks but it's not having any of that. it's def not a convenient album.
honestly can't think of a single thing i'd alter about the sequencing or track listing; it was actually made longer than intended, "riot" was originally a bonus track, but even that change benefits it imo
― r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Sunday, 10 March 2013 18:01 (2 months ago) Permalink
it's as much that immersion in a single sonic vision like this for such a long time is kinda rare for r&b.
― Tim F, Friday, March 8, 2013 11:21 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is otm
http://dawnrichard.tumblr.com/post/45241592418/new-music-just-for-my-hearts-bumbum
SWIZZY
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:49 (2 months ago) Permalink
love this
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:13 (2 months ago) Permalink
dope
worst threat to the album's rep is if she just keeps dropping stray tracks throughout the year that work better as standalone tracks than most of Goldenheart
― some dude, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:17 (2 months ago) Permalink
agree but for the moment she's keeping it to stuff that's obviously just lying around and that only works as a giveaway - like "bum bum" is v fun but it's just a swizzified "lost ones" that would be disappointing if part of a proper release
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:46 (2 months ago) Permalink
pretty funny how "love on the rocks" nails the current mike will made it aesthetic so casually though
it's like dawn is just going "u know i could do this if i wanted"
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:50 (2 months ago) Permalink
wow I love the way the vocals fragments crystallize into a wall of solid info at the end
― time turns all men into pies (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 18:20 (2 months ago) Permalink
― some dude, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:17 AM Bookmark
word
― only built 4 cuban twinx... (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 19:05 (2 months ago) Permalink
this is great
― the craziest half-court shots and wildest WAGs (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 March 2013 23:56 (2 months ago) Permalink
haven't listened to this new thing yet but I put Goldenheart on while cleaning the house and basically this is fucking fantastic shit
― Darth Icky (DJP), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 03:09 (2 months ago) Permalink
https://soundcloud.com/dawn_richard/empty-room
holy shit#@!ESF@!#
― 乒乓, Friday, 5 April 2013 14:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
tangential, but i've been listening heavy to both Stacey Barthe albums. really great stuff.new single dayo posted is great too; really looking forward to the new albumdan, did you burn out on goldenheart? took me over a month.
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
I still totally fuck with Goldenheart
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:37 (1 month ago) Permalink
respect respecti may be due for another run
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 April 2013 05:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
I've been realizing there's that certain pingy synth sound at the beginning of this that I associate with progressive house that I cannot deal with at all. Pops up a few times on Goldenheart too. This song is really good tho! I just cringed at the intro.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 19:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
Rev I completely agree with you about liking the Winter EP more than Goldenheart; in my estimate, there's something very free and spontaneous and rule-breaking about those songs whereas Goldenheart feels a little stiff from adhering to the template
― que sera sriracha (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 6 April 2013 19:45 (1 month ago) Permalink
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but something about Goldenheart does feel a bit...studied.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 19:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
still listening to goldenheart a lot, still feel it opens up a little more and in a different way every time
"return of a queen" is a fucking imperious monster of a song
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Saturday, 6 April 2013 21:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
dawn has a feature on the new eve album
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 April 2013 16:38 (1 month ago) Permalink
https://soundcloud.com/dawn_richard/northern-lights-f-eve
eve features on the new dawn single.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:28 (1 month ago) Permalink
I want Dawn's next step to be a cover of "Accidental Racist"
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
lol i am not shocked that you are #1 fan of that horse turd, it's been on my mind too
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
"Break of Dawn" came up on shuffle and I hadn't realized just how insipid it is til now. Feels about two hours long in its own right. :/
― sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 April 2013 04:44 (1 month ago) Permalink
definitely thinking now that the album could've used the lyric "let's fuck on this bed of roses" https://soundcloud.com/dawn_richard/movie
― some dude, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:55 (1 month ago) Permalink
she never drew first but she drew first blood
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:03 (1 month ago) Permalink
it's getting to the stage where it's a real shame she's just dropping tracks of this quality randomly and individually, "empty room" and "movie" in particular are pretty stunning, could've made for a pretty great stopgap mixtape/EP
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah it'll be interesting to see if these get collected in any official/retail form, i wonder if this is like Whiteout where it's stuff all done after the album that she's impatient to let people hear.
― some dude, Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:28 (1 month ago) Permalink
i've only been paying cursory attention but i think some of them have been old old stuff, from the a telltale heart era or before, and maybe others are just stuff she's been doing recently that she feels won't fit on to blackheart...
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
i think it was insinuated on her tumblr that some of these are actually *old* tracks
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah, people are commenting along the lines of "oh man, i'm glad to hear this cleaned up finally!"
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:11 (1 month ago) Permalink
playing nyc on the 28 - anybody else going?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 2 May 2013 11:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Where? With who?
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 May 2013 13:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
gramercy something, check the tumblr
― 乒乓, Thursday, 2 May 2013 13:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
ah gramercy theater. it's a live nation venue but a reasonable price. yeah, i'm gonna want to get in on that.
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 May 2013 14:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
and another one : http://soundcloud.com/dawn_richard/dawn-richard-army
― rusty_allen, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:35 (1 week ago) Permalink