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actually...the whole run from intro (the fall) to the end is :O

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally sitting down with A Tell Tale Heart and damn yeah, this is great. very considerate of the Diddy-Dirty Money folks to already start turning Last Train To Paris into its own little genre with the release of this and the Valentine's Day mixtape just a couple months later.

funny that I was the first person to mention this record's existence on ILM but like the 30th to actually hear it.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

talking of the LTTP mini-genre, did everyone hear the lektro black mixtape diddy did with felix da housecat that was meant to precede it (well, it did precede it, just by a year rather than a few months)? one of the most banging hours of music i've ever heard. http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape

lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

digging the version of "I Know" on here, too, you could slot this right in place of the album version on LTTP and get closer to an ideal Chris Brown-less version of the album.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

Brandy is a useful comparison point actually, in some ways this is like Full Moon if it was an album of straight bangers.

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love this mixtape. Have to listen more but i think "vibrate" is my favorite

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wonder what it is about dawn that made diddy keep her around after the dissolution of dannity kane

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't she the best singer out of everyone in Danity Kane? I mean there is nothing about her that screams "super star" but I think the pop/r&b audience are so use to big personalities that a straight forward singer may seem boring. Dawn isn't boring per se but maybe Diddy needed a "real" singer around Bad Boy since Cassie was the only female for a little spell after Danity Kane split up.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

i really know nothing about danity kane or any of its members, but being the best singer makes sense

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I never listen to a note of Danity Kane as I don't like the idea of 5 person singing group. I saw a video of her performing with Diddy doing "Last Night" waaayy back and assumed she was better than the other four.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Danity Kane, anyone?

prescience from brainwasher!

well at least we'll be getting a Dawn solo album I guess.

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 04:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

"vibrate" is nuts

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)

blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.

This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?

tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.

In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either

that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love "Superhero"

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

any good?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

booty in da pants

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything

prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.

If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.

"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

"hey" is amazing yes

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

ship otm

"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

kmt

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

:D

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i feel like an asshole for loving "vibrate" the most cuz it sounds like the one that terius & los would've done

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

if anything i feel bad for loving the swagged-out ones so much. I'M ON MY SUPERMAN SHIT, WHIPPIN UP TOWN, BLOWIN UP SHIIEEET

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's why "runway" is the best -- bragging about her hair being real

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

NO HORSES UP HERE

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

reality show / blackheart / black messiah / to pimp a butterfly all amazing high-concept albums (reality show more subtly so) that i love and it's a shame that both jazmine and dawn aren't getting the kind of broad critical raves that D and Kendrick are.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jazmine and Dawn are getting ignored by many critics. Dawn, in large part part because for some reason some media sites act as if they can't find a smal indie project like hers; and I guess Sullivan is somehow just cursed with being r'n'b and not "high concept" "indie/artsy" r'n'b . But you all know that.

Some of that attention for the likes of D'angelo and now Lamar almost makes me want to be contrarian and ignore both of them for just being crit-bait. Former Voice writer Greg Tate who doesn't do much writing these days, suddenly penning a Lamar review in Rolling Stone seems typical (and I have long loved Tate's writing)-- jazz elements check; spoken word check; P-funk aspects check; socio-political lyrics check. I bet he likes the Sullivan one too, or would if he heard it, but will anyone let him write about it without high concept aspects or retro signifiers?

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2015 13:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

That's what I was getting at in my post, but let's be clear: Kendrick Lamar draws clicks, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sadly true.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

Agreed -- and btw having caught up on the Jazmine Sullivan album, I am totally on board with it, great record. Even in a perfect world, the D'Angelo and Kendrick albums have some built-in hype generators that are going to eclipse a lot of other worthy things. It's just jarring that so much of what's lauded about those two -- ambition, adventurousness, musicianship, personal vision, sheer talent -- is also true of the Dawn/Jazmine albums that you'd hope there would at least be a little more notice.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

#BlackWomenVisionariesMatter

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

I love Dawn's album but it feels diffuse in a way that Kendrick's doesn't. I listen to it way WAY more than D'Angelo, though.

DJP, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

built-in hype generators

well it's exactly these that don't get interrogated, isn't it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The fact that #ATellTaleHeart is so quiet/nmastered means I can rly only listen to it in bed at night, which is maybe actually to its advantage

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

*u

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

A very underrated record even in the context of Dawn's discography IMO

Tim F, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's gorgeous so far. Listened to DJP's playlist off the Kendrick thread and fell for it hard enough to want to listen to everything chronologically

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

you know, I've never actually heard it

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

(A Tell Tale Heart I mean, I've heard all the songs I listed on the Kendrick thread lol)

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

a tell tale heart is amazing but i would return to it so much more if the sooooound quaaaaaality was proper

lex pretend, Friday, 17 April 2015 14:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

There's a sexy sense of fun on Tell Tale Heart (like on Hey, Vibrate, Biggest Fan) which I kinda miss on what's followed, great as it is

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

*Starts a kickstarter for a proper remastering of a Tell Tale Haert*

, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yes pls. A cpl of tracks're actually kinda disconcerting to listen to w the way the levels peak/fade

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:41 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

<iframe width='460' height='259' src='http://cache.vevo.com/assets/html/embed.html?video=QMGR31508582&autoplay=0' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>

Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:49 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

(or however Vevo embeds work with BB code)

That's a vid for Calypso btw.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:51 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Thank you!

Jeff W, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"adderall/sold" prob my soty

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 1 May 2015 14:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, could be. the autotune acapella into guitar gets me every single time

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 May 2015 18:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This ain't rock'n'roll…

http://uk.complex.com/music/2015/05/dawn-richard-new-song-premiere-genocide?utm_campaign=musictw%2Bsocialflow%2B05%2B2015&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

This ain't Dawn Richard any more either, apparently.

Jeff W, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i'm kinda scared of her working more with the fade to mind crew tbh. "honest" is really good but i fear them overly influencing her sound/aesthetic

j. winters (josh), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that ship has sailed

r|t|c, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

she's working with fade to mind crew? Fuck. And the triangle...
Still love her, tho, but this Isn't good news. At all.

Nourry, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Apparently "Calypso" is very ~~divisive~~ among her fans.

The Reverend, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

dawn richards is not someone who i would second guess artistically right now; she's driving in her own lane
new song is interesting, but very much a demo

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 May 2015 21:16 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Apparently "Calypso" is very ~~divisive~~ among her fans.

― The Reverend, Monday, May 4, 2015 2:35 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the song or the video? always liked the song in the context of the album, think it stands out in a good way

some dude, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 01:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i love the "calypso" video, very bizarre and arresting

dyl, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 08:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"calypso" video is way too on the nose w/r/t stuff i've seen in björk and fka twigs videos i think; rev did you mean the song or the video are divisive?

she was working with the fade to mind crew at the same time as she was making blackheart so i hope she can still stay away from their lane

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 10:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

no comment on the triangle

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 10:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

song. half the comments on the youtube are complaints from fans who don't get it

The Reverend, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 07:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

surely her actual fans have had the song for 5 months already tho? i can see why it'd be divisive to casuals or the danity kane fandom remnant but oh well

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 07:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Titans x new single James Dean

https://youtu.be/qUmi3F5gau0

Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:41 (Yesterday) Permalink

this video RULES

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

i almost missed this because of wacky name change but she's playing PS1's Warm Up series in August with Matias Aguayo and Murlo
http://www.eventbrite.com/e/warm-up-matias-aguayo-kingdom-dwn-murlo-false-witness-tickets-17086988643

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

James Dean is pretty good!

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 17:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

i'm glad the "titan" video goes back to her dance roots, but at the same time, i'm sad we came /this close/ to a "warriors" vid and didn't get it. "james dean" is good tho

j. winters (josh), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 22:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

"james dean" is amazing

lex pretend, Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:10 (14 hours ago) Permalink


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