The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (1811 of them)

actually...the whole run from intro (the fall) to the end is :O

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally sitting down with A Tell Tale Heart and damn yeah, this is great. very considerate of the Diddy-Dirty Money folks to already start turning Last Train To Paris into its own little genre with the release of this and the Valentine's Day mixtape just a couple months later.

funny that I was the first person to mention this record's existence on ILM but like the 30th to actually hear it.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

talking of the LTTP mini-genre, did everyone hear the lektro black mixtape diddy did with felix da housecat that was meant to precede it (well, it did precede it, just by a year rather than a few months)? one of the most banging hours of music i've ever heard. http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape

lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

digging the version of "I Know" on here, too, you could slot this right in place of the album version on LTTP and get closer to an ideal Chris Brown-less version of the album.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

Brandy is a useful comparison point actually, in some ways this is like Full Moon if it was an album of straight bangers.

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love this mixtape. Have to listen more but i think "vibrate" is my favorite

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wonder what it is about dawn that made diddy keep her around after the dissolution of dannity kane

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't she the best singer out of everyone in Danity Kane? I mean there is nothing about her that screams "super star" but I think the pop/r&b audience are so use to big personalities that a straight forward singer may seem boring. Dawn isn't boring per se but maybe Diddy needed a "real" singer around Bad Boy since Cassie was the only female for a little spell after Danity Kane split up.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

i really know nothing about danity kane or any of its members, but being the best singer makes sense

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I never listen to a note of Danity Kane as I don't like the idea of 5 person singing group. I saw a video of her performing with Diddy doing "Last Night" waaayy back and assumed she was better than the other four.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Danity Kane, anyone?

prescience from brainwasher!

well at least we'll be getting a Dawn solo album I guess.

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 04:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

"vibrate" is nuts

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)

blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.

This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?

tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.

In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either

that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love "Superhero"

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

any good?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

booty in da pants

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything

prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.

If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.

"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

"hey" is amazing yes

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ship otm

"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

kmt

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

:D

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

i feel like an asshole for loving "vibrate" the most cuz it sounds like the one that terius & los would've done

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

do we actually have the production credits for this? i couldn't find them the other week. "vibrate" def in the "promise"/"devotion" lineage

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

if anything i feel bad for loving the swagged-out ones so much. I'M ON MY SUPERMAN SHIT, WHIPPIN UP TOWN, BLOWIN UP SHIIEEET

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's why "runway" is the best -- bragging about her hair being real

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

NO HORSES UP HERE

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

SEE YOU IN MY HEEEEEEAAADD

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 13:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

this could be the album to unite us all

Ban Kil Moon (imago), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

There's this one transition (and of course I can't find it when I'm looking for it) where there's this pounding bass drum going at it 4-4, and I can't even describe what the EQ filter is doing, but it's like it suddenly drops from this pounding BOOM BOOM BOOM kick and it just... goes underwater and keeps sinking and getting more and more muffled and watery, and that's just like... wow. Damn. I love the details like that.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

OK, yeah, it's the aforementioned end of Warriors. And the underwater drum turns into a heartbeat, then the gauzy shimmer of Projection starts, and that is just such a perfect moment.

IMPRINTED IN MY HEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDD

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

So... is that mask on the cover going on or coming off?

― longneck, Friday, January 16, 2015 5:45 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still haven't worked out what i think the answer to this is

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

bought this the first day obv but I've been waiting for the right moment for the first spin; thread obv suggests I should just fuck it and put it on

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

Lex's reference to Imogen Heap upthread got me thinking that the best thing that could happen to Dawn would be to have a "Hide & Seek" style viral moment - something that crossed over to an audience open to what she's doing while bypassing both the usual critical and commercial gatekeepers.

But even then the boost that created for Imogen's career was only relative.

― Tim F, Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:07 AM Bookmark

"Hide & Seek" was used as a tv theme tho.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 20:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yes exactly! Or rather an end credits soundtrack right (The OC iirc)? I meant "usual gatekeepers" as in the usual ways that music becomes big. Obv there was some sort of executive who ultimately approved its use.

It's really "pre-viral" in the sense that it predates the ubiquity of social media but I feel like it's a good example of how some music / artists may have an audience out there for them but only if there is a means of communication and an appropriate context. For "Hide & Seek", connecting the song to an emotionally overwrought adolescent tv show cliffhanger was the best way to get past the idea of the song as ~My First Tori Amos does "O Superman"~ which was never gonna fly either critically or commercially.

I remember an Australian Idol contestant performed it the following year and all the judges were like "we were really concerned by this choice as we've never heard of this song before. But you've reassured us that everyone under the age of 20 knows this song."

I'm not sure what song you'd choose from Dawn's catalogue or what the means of communication would be but I do feel like she's an artist for whom those strategies would be more likely to work than others.

Tim F, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

~My First Tori Amos does "O Superman"~

ha

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

"Hide & Seek" got a little VH1 and pop radio airplay when it was new but yeah it only really gradually saturated pop culture through The OC and Jason DeRulo, etc.

some dude, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh god, I'd managed to block that Derulo song from memory

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

to be accurate, the only song where i feel dawn goes OTT with the heapisms is "86", which put me off it for a while

~My First Tori Amos does "O Superman"~

this is otm. i really quite dislike "hide & seek"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 21:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah I didn't mean they're that similar as artists, more that it occurred to me that there's an entire chasm that female artists can fall into when they're 1) too earnest to be sirens; 2) not aggressive enough to be one of the boys; and 3) not already a popular success. The 90s is littered with the bones of artists who fell into this category and even when they found an audience or occasionally even managed some kind of crossover success it felt despite of, rather than because of, the existing patterns of commercial or critical support.

Tim F, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

earnestness is interesting bc obv someone like fka twigs is also earnest but in a completely different way?

actually, maybe a depressing reason is that dawn as a solo artist has been mostly unbothered about sounding sexy

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

to be accurate, the only song where i feel dawn goes OTT with the heapisms is "86", which put me off it for a while

"Superhero"! "86" just sounds like a Jam & Lewis ballad to me.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

earnestness is interesting bc obv someone like fka twigs is also earnest but in a completely different way?

actually, maybe a depressing reason is that dawn as a solo artist has been mostly unbothered about sounding sexy

― lex pretend, Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:08 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I think with fka twigs even her earnestness is filtered through a "sensuousness of surfaces" aesthetic (AKA what artists mean when they namecheck Aaliyah) that allows her to be experienced as pure affect. It's not that dawn's surfaces aren't sensuous, but I think the music doesn't sit easily within that as a primary frame.

Tim F, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yay, new interview

http://www.factmag.com/2015/01/30/dawn-richard-interview/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

really good interview. been wanting to read someone else (not a gossip site) interview her for a long time.

lex pretend, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

calypso (daughter of a titan) as in the greek myth, of course

lex pretend, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

Nice review, Lex.

longneck, Friday, 30 January 2015 16:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think I've had this Muhsinah EP on my hard drive for years but never listened to it til now cause the mp3s weren't tagged right, but the first three tracks are very Richardesque.

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/muhsinah-gone-double-ep-download.html

aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

ok i haven't heard the whole record yet but i'm tripping out over 'Projection', esp. the rhythmic/sonic turn it takes around 3:00.

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 2 February 2015 18:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think I'm most obsessed with "Swim Free"

aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Monday, 2 February 2015 23:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

here's the video for "choices;" i'm obsessed with it

j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 09:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

ok holy shit "Warriors" is sooooooo good. I'm sure there's more going on than voices but they're all I want to hear now

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 10:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

officially back on the train, y'all

― The Reverend, Friday, January 16, 2015 1:29 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

I love that Tide music video - it captures that chasmic metaphysical solipsistic space that great sci fi often depicts - the ending of Solaris, neon genesis (I know you see me on this Brad!), that one part in neuromancer

, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Swim Free is incredible but it's not alone on this record. Pretty gobsmacked by how good this is.

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

Her vocals and the way they are produced on "Swim Free" convey emotion nicely

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 05:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think I've ever read a more generic and content-free comment on music. Truly staggered.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 07:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

pretty terrible quality clip but she's blending "swim free" with "hyperballad" live!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 11:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i think i might like this album as much as "Black Messiah"
which is to say it's among the most complete and consistent and engaging albums i've heard

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 February 2015 01:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

and ecstatic and beautiful and fully realized and all that good stuff
been returning to her earlier work and it's great as well of course but this represents such a leap

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 February 2015 01:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

If the weather doesn't mess things up, gonna see her Tuesday night (after seeing Erykah Badu Monday night)

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 February 2015 05:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Snow kept me from seeing Erykah Monday night alas, but transportation was fine tonight and I saw Dawn before a smallish 100 or so person crowd at the Howard Theatre. Dawn was full of energy, dancing and projecting her voice and chatting in between songs about Fat Tuesday (she is from New Orleans) her album and how she makes each gig different (NY had dancers). Some younger NY singer Alan Michael was down in DC & jumped onstage to duet with her on "86" and "Physical." One of her 3 keyboardists got jazzy at times, while the drummer was going for a Big eaasyish polyrhythmic funky thing. At times her model poses and tv reality show belting was a tad too much, and some rough sound at the beginning hurt a few cuts. She did most of the new album in her 1 hr & 15 minute set

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 05:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Her NBA Basketball cheerleader roots were showing a bit in her moves

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 13:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

No Bjork cover, but Dawn added a few bars of Oasis' Champagne Supernova at the Howard Theatre show.

Paul_in_DC (Paul_C_in_DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 16:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

awesome interview done by dawn's cousin (!) on solange's website

http://saintheron.com/featured/interview-dawn-richard/

i also only just caught how raw one of the first lines of "billie jean" is. "i'm like an assassin, leave without a trace / except the mess you left when you're all on my face" O_O

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2015 12:42 (5 days ago) Permalink

there is a very specific momentary vocal ad lib on "projection" which reminds me of a very specific vocal ad lib somewhere on kate bush's aerial

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2015 13:04 (5 days ago) Permalink

x-post to Lex's quote...Is it in one of her songs or am I remembering a between song live comment when she follows up a lyric and says something like "yes I really said that"

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 February 2015 14:37 (5 days ago) Permalink

been listening to this album a lot over the past month; i think the only track that doesn't excite me every time i hear in queue up is Phoenix

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 February 2015 17:07 (5 days ago) Permalink

adderall is consistently astonishing; goddamn this album should be everywhere
i've played a few tracks to at least a half dozen music industry people who should know better who are blown away and then confused why they haven't heard of her

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:20 (4 days ago) Permalink

i mean

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:23 (4 days ago) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.