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THIS FUCKING ALBUM.

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 10:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like that the mixtape's implied critique of Last Train To Paris is that it's too chilled!

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 10:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

also u&k - this track that apparently emerged last year but isn't on the mixtape

prod. rob holladay, who was responsible for most of the production on the dirty money lovelove vs. hatelove mixtape

is this where danity kane get a critical re-evaluation too? their second album was SO good. dawn always seemed like something of a creative driving force with them too. and they took their name from her imaginary anime character.

lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 10:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is my most played album of 2011

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 12:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's so good!

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 12:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

the run from superhero (acapella) to the end is :O

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 12:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

actually...the whole run from intro (the fall) to the end is :O

mumflop & sons (dayo), Monday, 21 February 2011 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally sitting down with A Tell Tale Heart and damn yeah, this is great. very considerate of the Diddy-Dirty Money folks to already start turning Last Train To Paris into its own little genre with the release of this and the Valentine's Day mixtape just a couple months later.

funny that I was the first person to mention this record's existence on ILM but like the 30th to actually hear it.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

talking of the LTTP mini-genre, did everyone hear the lektro black mixtape diddy did with felix da housecat that was meant to precede it (well, it did precede it, just by a year rather than a few months)? one of the most banging hours of music i've ever heard. http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape

lex pretend, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

digging the version of "I Know" on here, too, you could slot this right in place of the album version on LTTP and get closer to an ideal Chris Brown-less version of the album.

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

finally hearing her voice in isolation for extended periods of time is nice, too; the slightly raspy grain is a bit like Brandy but not too much.

Brandy is a useful comparison point actually, in some ways this is like Full Moon if it was an album of straight bangers.

Tim F, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love this mixtape. Have to listen more but i think "vibrate" is my favorite

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wonder what it is about dawn that made diddy keep her around after the dissolution of dannity kane

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't she the best singer out of everyone in Danity Kane? I mean there is nothing about her that screams "super star" but I think the pop/r&b audience are so use to big personalities that a straight forward singer may seem boring. Dawn isn't boring per se but maybe Diddy needed a "real" singer around Bad Boy since Cassie was the only female for a little spell after Danity Kane split up.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

i really know nothing about danity kane or any of its members, but being the best singer makes sense

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I never listen to a note of Danity Kane as I don't like the idea of 5 person singing group. I saw a video of her performing with Diddy doing "Last Night" waaayy back and assumed she was better than the other four.

Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Danity Kane, anyone?

prescience from brainwasher!

well at least we'll be getting a Dawn solo album I guess.

― Put A Ring On It (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 04:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

"vibrate" is nuts

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 07:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'd love to hear a version of a tell tale heart where several of the songs didn't sound like they were recorded underwater

YES (i mean, i assume this will be the actual album if and when it emerges)

blackout's a good comparison point, i mentioned it in my LTTP review from the "constant surprising sonic thrillz" standpoint, but re: dawn specifically there's also that impulse to get drunk and curse and act out sexually running through it (though obv she's coming at it from a more controlled persona...)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah she's interesting in that she's a controlled singer doing "unhinged" R&B - there are aspects of this album that remind me of K Michelle and Fantasia and J Hudson and Brooke Valentine in parts but it's mostly sonic rather than vocal.

This works for me though I'll have to think about why, can't come up with a neat explanation for it yet.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm still unbelievably pissed off that my chat w/dawn and kalenna has been lost to the vagaries of hard drive death - they said some really interesting things, esp re: their differing singing/songwriting styles, and both generally came across as totally smart and totally on it, and a bit like...necessary to keep diddy down to earth?

tim, you heard the last danity kane album right? if not, omg you need it. (i probably need their first one! never heard it)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I heard and liked the singles? I can't remember now if I checked out the album or not.

In my head I kind of just slot Danity Kane as halfway between Dream and Pussycat Dolls and keep forgetting that this is based purely on pop-cultural arithmetic rather than what they actually sound like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not entirely offbase w/r/t what they sound like either

that was probably one of my favourites off the album, which made a really great companion piece at the time to...blackout, as it happens - danja helmed a good chunk of it and most of the beats were rather great.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

"bulletproof" is so immense, steel pistons grinding into motion

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love "Superhero"

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dawnangelique

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

any good?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

booty in da pants

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

does 'blackout'-era britney have much crossover w/ this stuff? i'm listening to "radar" (love love love) right now and i could see the drama being pitched up slightly in a way that would totally fit w/ the 'LTTP sound'

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um aside from multiple beats by Danja on both albums i don't really see any connection beyond urban-leaning pop and pop-leaning rap/R&B kinda meeting each other halfway. also lol @ blackout-era britney like that's some kind of defining touchstone of anything outside the ilx hivemind.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's a defining touchstone of the pop genre, i think - almost certainly the most critically acclaimed of her albums

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

the popjustice crowd (and most top 40/pop fans I've talked to) generally consider it to be the best pop album of at least the second half of the decade, if that means anything

prolego, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i was exaggerating about it being a big deal only on ilm but calling it her most critically acclaimed album is i think pretty off -- on metacritic it's 3% lower than Circus, 5% lower than In The Zone, 11% lower than Oops -- it's only put on a pedestal in a very particular internet bubble.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eh, Metacritic only analyzes initial reviews, not an album's long-term legacy.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously there's a lot of nuance that it doesn't accurately measure -- i'm just saying there's this kind of assumption that it's universally regarded as the high point of her career that i don't think really holds water

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Realistically though Dawn Richard is highly unlikely to attain any success outside of that internet bubble (or an overlapping one) so it's not so misfounded or misleading a point of comparison.

If I say "maybe Dawn Richard's album is gonna be the 2011 equiv of Chain Letter" it's no more ridic, really.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah who knows if DR has any commercial potential (although LTTP might have legs enough to set her up well, who knows), but Blackout being singled out as a comparison point over all the other dancey Danja-produced R&B/pop albums of the last few years seemed kinda arbitrary.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wanna know if the first 20 seconds to "let love in" are supposed to be part of the song or if it's part of another one - sounds absolutely heavenly

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying this but the shitty mixtape sound quality is really harshing my buzz. Why do these songs not sound louder?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Sounds louder' is usually a bad thing imo.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i think he means the levels are quiet in an unmastered way that makes the whole thing sound less full/alive, which is a totally valid gripe and not at all an aesthetic thing.

"Hey" has not been singled out itt as a standout and that needs to be rectified.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

what other notable danja-produced R&B/pop albums are out there? (honest q)

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

if we're talking stuff from when Danja was Timbaland's right hand man (and those should probably count since Danja had a huge influence on the sound of those records), Timberlake's FutureSex and Furtado's Loose. but i was referring to stuff heavy on Danja solo productions like Diddy's LTTP and Press Play, Keri Hilson's 1st album, Danity Kane's 2nd album, Katharine McPhee's 1st album.

dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

"hey" is amazing yes

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ship otm

"runway" & "vibrate" are also the joints off this

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like how the art for this album could double as a los campesinos cover

J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

kmt

lex pretend, Saturday, 2 April 2011 08:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

pretty terrible quality clip but she's blending "swim free" with "hyperballad" live!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 11:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

i think i might like this album as much as "Black Messiah"
which is to say it's among the most complete and consistent and engaging albums i've heard

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 February 2015 01:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

and ecstatic and beautiful and fully realized and all that good stuff
been returning to her earlier work and it's great as well of course but this represents such a leap

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 February 2015 01:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

If the weather doesn't mess things up, gonna see her Tuesday night (after seeing Erykah Badu Monday night)

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 February 2015 05:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Snow kept me from seeing Erykah Monday night alas, but transportation was fine tonight and I saw Dawn before a smallish 100 or so person crowd at the Howard Theatre. Dawn was full of energy, dancing and projecting her voice and chatting in between songs about Fat Tuesday (she is from New Orleans) her album and how she makes each gig different (NY had dancers). Some younger NY singer Alan Michael was down in DC & jumped onstage to duet with her on "86" and "Physical." One of her 3 keyboardists got jazzy at times, while the drummer was going for a Big eaasyish polyrhythmic funky thing. At times her model poses and tv reality show belting was a tad too much, and some rough sound at the beginning hurt a few cuts. She did most of the new album in her 1 hr & 15 minute set

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 05:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

Her NBA Basketball cheerleader roots were showing a bit in her moves

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 13:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

No Bjork cover, but Dawn added a few bars of Oasis' Champagne Supernova at the Howard Theatre show.

Paul_in_DC (Paul_C_in_DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 16:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

awesome interview done by dawn's cousin (!) on solange's website

http://saintheron.com/featured/interview-dawn-richard/

i also only just caught how raw one of the first lines of "billie jean" is. "i'm like an assassin, leave without a trace / except the mess you left when you're all on my face" O_O

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2015 12:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

there is a very specific momentary vocal ad lib on "projection" which reminds me of a very specific vocal ad lib somewhere on kate bush's aerial

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2015 13:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

x-post to Lex's quote...Is it in one of her songs or am I remembering a between song live comment when she follows up a lyric and says something like "yes I really said that"

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 February 2015 14:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

been listening to this album a lot over the past month; i think the only track that doesn't excite me every time i hear in queue up is Phoenix

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 February 2015 17:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

adderall is consistently astonishing; goddamn this album should be everywhere
i've played a few tracks to at least a half dozen music industry people who should know better who are blown away and then confused why they haven't heard of her

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

i mean

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

in for sure!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

and

http://www.youtube.com/embed/7NXbNQRzRwY

Jeff W, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that's really good

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 19:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Y'ALL

raih dednelb (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

OFFICIALLY DONE WITH THESE NON-DAWN RICHARD ASS MUSICIANS

raih dednelb (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

A good sentiment, that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

OFFICIALLY DONE WITH THESE NON-DAWN RICHARD ASS MUSICIANS

― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:06 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

song is incredible

rob, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 23:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

amazing song, hopefully she releases it in hq too

lex pretend, Thursday, 5 March 2015 08:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yes, great track. And I liked the discussion of New Orleans in the interview with her cousin. I had been thinking about her in the context of New Orleans, that she makes sense as a New Orleans artist because the city is so polyglot and culturally fearless. I listen to WWOZ a lot, and while I have yet to hear Dawn Richard there, the station plays a range of stuff that very much feels like the primordial soup that could produce her.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

opening song quote from peter fonda btw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Angels

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

quite possibly by way of Primal Scream!

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

shit that song is hot

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i didn't know she's from New Orleans. feeling the Mardi Gras Indians samples.

lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

She's playing in London in June. Bought tickets the instant I saw they were onsale.

Matt DC, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Just got back from a holiday and listened to blackheart again for the first time in a couple weeks after listening to it non-stop before that, I don't think an album has affected me this much in years, really stunning.

kruezer2, Monday, 16 March 2015 17:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

New video for Projection

Jeff W, Monday, 16 March 2015 20:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

Goldenheart is one of my favorite albums from the last few years. I haven't heard much of the new album yet, but wow, 'Projection' is great as to be expected.

lowlytootle, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 06:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

As much as I generally share in the enthusiasm for the new Kendrick album, I can't help contrasting the deserved hype for that and Black Messiah with how little attention Blackheart has gotten. (With a few worthy exceptions.) There haven't been two great modern R&B concept albums in the last three months, there have been three. I know she's not as big a solo name and wasn't as anticipated as D'Angelo or Kendrick, but I think the album belongs in that company.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 05:50 (6 days ago) Permalink

quite possibly by way of Primal Scream! (by way of Mudhoney)

2-chords, a farfisa organ and peons to the lord (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 March 2015 06:11 (6 days ago) Permalink

There haven't been two great modern R&B concept albums in the last three months, there have been three.

four because i'd absolutely put jazmine sullivan's reality show up there with them in terms of songwriting, if not self-consciously out-there production/arrangements

blackheart is the best by miles but what can you do, it's not about its quality that it's not in that conversation

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 March 2015 07:05 (6 days ago) Permalink

The Jazmine Sullivan album is great but doesn't feel high concept in the way that the other three are.

Otherwise, I just want to catalogue amazing *moments* in this record, because its attention to detail is just jawdropping. The bit where the bottom just drops out of Titans and there's a couple of minutes of ambient drift before Warriors is astonishing. Also, in the penultimate chorus of Phoenix, at the point when she sings "all rise", there's the sound of something crashing to earth.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 March 2015 11:16 (6 days ago) Permalink

We should avoid praising albums for how Important they are.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:10 (6 days ago) Permalink

Importance is slippery, but I think worth talking about -- if only to broaden the notion of what counts as important. (e.g., I was glad "You Don't Own Me" was given so much credit for importance in the Lesley Gore obits.) I don't love Blackheart because it's important, I love it because it blows my mind and sounds amazing on the stereo. But I do also think it's important, and oughta be recognized as such.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:34 (6 days ago) Permalink

I wasn't looking at you, tipsy, but at the suspicion that Sullivan's album is good but lacks the marquee value of D'Angelo or Kendrick Lamar's. btw listen to it!

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:36 (6 days ago) Permalink

Haha I was just thinking that I need to. I will!

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:44 (6 days ago) Permalink

I didn't say it wasn't important, I said it wasn't high-concept.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:33 (6 days ago) Permalink

reality show / blackheart / black messiah / to pimp a butterfly all amazing high-concept albums (reality show more subtly so) that i love and it's a shame that both jazmine and dawn aren't getting the kind of broad critical raves that D and Kendrick are.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:29 (6 days ago) Permalink

Jazmine and Dawn are getting ignored by many critics. Dawn, in large part part because for some reason some media sites act as if they can't find a smal indie project like hers; and I guess Sullivan is somehow just cursed with being r'n'b and not "high concept" "indie/artsy" r'n'b . But you all know that.

Some of that attention for the likes of D'angelo and now Lamar almost makes me want to be contrarian and ignore both of them for just being crit-bait. Former Voice writer Greg Tate who doesn't do much writing these days, suddenly penning a Lamar review in Rolling Stone seems typical (and I have long loved Tate's writing)-- jazz elements check; spoken word check; P-funk aspects check; socio-political lyrics check. I bet he likes the Sullivan one too, or would if he heard it, but will anyone let him write about it without high concept aspects or retro signifiers?

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2015 13:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

That's what I was getting at in my post, but let's be clear: Kendrick Lamar draws clicks, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:24 (5 days ago) Permalink

Sadly true.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:19 (4 days ago) Permalink

Agreed -- and btw having caught up on the Jazmine Sullivan album, I am totally on board with it, great record. Even in a perfect world, the D'Angelo and Kendrick albums have some built-in hype generators that are going to eclipse a lot of other worthy things. It's just jarring that so much of what's lauded about those two -- ambition, adventurousness, musicianship, personal vision, sheer talent -- is also true of the Dawn/Jazmine albums that you'd hope there would at least be a little more notice.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:30 (4 days ago) Permalink

#BlackWomenVisionariesMatter

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:31 (4 days ago) Permalink

I love Dawn's album but it feels diffuse in a way that Kendrick's doesn't. I listen to it way WAY more than D'Angelo, though.

DJP, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

built-in hype generators

well it's exactly these that don't get interrogated, isn't it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:57 (4 days ago) Permalink


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