looks like three slam dunks for Monsanto in a single month
a little more on Monsanto & Haiti. apparently the seeds Monsanto donated last year were Terminator seeds.
I appreciated Sanpaku's post upthread about how they backed down on Terminator after the uproar & how they're now illegal in India & Brazil, but they are illegal there now only in response to this:
Diminished yields, health problems and weakened prospects to buy the next season's seeds in consequence of and combined with that binding contract with Monsanto have driven many rural farmers to poverty, and subsequently led to a rash of farmer suicides in rural India. Since 1997, more than 182,936 Indian farmers have committed suicide, according to a recent study by the National Crime Records Bureau. "As seed saving is prevented by patents as well as by the engineering of seeds with non-renewable traits, seed has to be bought for every planting season by poor peasants. A free resource available on farms became a commodity which farmers were forced to buy every year. This increases poverty and leads to indebtedness. As debts increase and become unpayable, farmers are compelled to sell kidneys or even commit suicide," Indian author Vandana Shiva noted in her 2004 article "The Suicide Economy Of Corporate Globalisation."
I don't mean to sound like a Luddite, really don't, so I'm all for Jeff or the other posters working for GMO companies starting more of a pushback instead of me just compiling the tired old arguments. Would simply love to hear conversation on this subject in more places in general, really.
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Jeff, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Michael Hart, a conventional livestock family farmer, has been farming in Cornwall for nearly thirty years and has actively campaigned on behalf of family farmers for over fifteen years, travelling extensively in Europe, India, Canada and the USA.
In this short documentary he investigates the reality of farming genetically modified crops in the USA ten years after their introduction. He travels across the US interviewing farmers and other specialists about their experiences of growing GM
― john. a resident of chicago., Sunday, 13 November 2011 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
As a teaser, I quote here the first two sentences:
"Chinese researchers have found small pieces of ribonucleic acid (RNA) in the blood and organs of humans who eat rice. The Nanjing University-based team showed that this genetic material will bind to proteins in human liver cells and influence the uptake of cholesterol from the blood."
It goes on from there, obv.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
One response to that article: http://biologyfiles.fieldofscience.com/2012/01/why-did-atlantic-publish-this-piece.html
― Jeff, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I sympathize with that scientist's frustration with the bad analogies and the way it blows an unsubstantiated fear into what reads like a factual headline. It's fear-mongering and not completely rational.
So, nothing has been proven by this article in terms of danger. But her metaphor that this study is simply 'opening a door' for other people to follow up on doesn't rest well either -- the entire reason why most of the article isn't devoted to the study, but to underlining Monsanto's reliance on substantial equivalence to evade FDA testing, is to suggest that this open door complicates the entire concept of 'substantial equivalence'? I admittedly don't understand all the science, and I appreciate you sending these linked rebuttals -- anti-Monsanto sentiment is too often just sentimental horror at the idea of food being tampered with, but one can find plenty of reasons not to trust them
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 03:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Honestly, as much as I'd like to, it's really hard to defend many of the actions of Monsanto. They have made some great breakthroughs in ag science, but like many people have mentioned, the dubious business practices certainly have tainted that. I know there are many well meaning scientists that work for them, that are true interested in the betterment of agriculture, but don't agree with the business practices. It sucks that Monsanto is the biggest game in town and are the only ones with the massive amount of money to throw at R&D. And they are the only ones with enough money to deal with all the regulation of the R&D of genetically engineered plants. Some argue that deregulation is the best way to combat this, because the little guys just can't deal with it (I know wacky idea, and not one I entirely agree with).
You're right with your last point about the anti-Monsanto sentiment and it's that sentiment that drives me nutso. People treat food as sacred and think that the alteration of it seems intrinsically wrong.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
well -- I am certainly up for this research being done. but if there's anything should be treated as sacred, it is food. the scientists I talk to usually understand the depth of what they're doing, and the managers who risk-assess QA of their work under profit constraints usually don't
i.e. I usually trust the scientists; I don't trust this company
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
as much as I'd like to
why would you like to defend Monsanto
― locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
fwiw I'm not against the intersection of science and food (my grandfather was this guy but Monsanto's motives as a corporation are 100% suspect
― locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is probably known to most people reading the thread, but even if you ignore GMOs entirely, Monsanto is just a terrible, terrible, terrible monster:
-* Headquartered near St. Louis, Missouri, the Monsanto Chemical Company was founded in 1901. Monsanto became a leading manufacturer of sulfuric acid and other industrial chemicals in the 1920s. In the 1930s, Monsanto began producing polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). PCBs, widely used as lubricants, hydraulic fluids, cutting oils, waterproof coatings and liquid sealants, are potent carcinogens and have been implicated in reproductive, developmental and immune system disorders.The world’s center of PCB manufacturing was Monsanto’s plant on the outskirts of East St. Louis, Illinois, which has the highest rate of fetal death and immature births in the state. By 1982, nearby Times Beach, Missouri, was found to be so thoroughly contaminated with dioxin, a by-product of PCB manufacturing, that the government ordered it evacuated. Dioxins are endocrine and immune system disruptors, cause congenital birth defects, reproductive and developmental problems, and increase the incidence of cancer, heart disease and diabetes in laboratory animals.By the 1940s, Monsanto had begun focusing on plastics and synthetic fabrics like polystyrene (still widely used in food packaging and other consumer products), which is ranked fifth in the EPA’s 1980s listing of chemicals whose production generates the most total hazardous waste.During World War II, Monsanto played a significant role in the Manhattan Project to develop the atom bomb.Following the war, Monsanto championed the use of chemical pesticides in agriculture, and began manufacturing the herbicide 2,4,5-T, which contains dioxin. -* Monsanto has been accused of covering up or failing to report dioxin contamination in a wide range of its products.The herbicide “Agent Orange,” used by U.S. military forces as a defoliant during the Vietnam War, was a mixture of 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D and had very high concentrations of dioxin. U.S. Vietnam War veterans have suffered from a host of debilitating symptoms attributable to Agent Orange exposure, and since the end of the war an estimated 500,000 Vietnamese children have been born with deformities.In the 1970s, Monsanto began manufacturing the herbicide Roundup, which has been marketed as a safe, general-purpose herbicide for widespread commercial and consumer use, even though its key ingredient, glyphosate, is a highly toxic poison for animals and humans. In 1997, The New York State Attorney General took Monsanto to court and Monsanto was subsequently forced to stop claiming that Roundup is “biodegradable” and “environmentally friendly.”Monsanto has been repeatedly fined and ruled against for, among many things, mislabeling containers of Roundup, failing to report health data to EPA, and chemical spills and improper chemical deposition. In 1995, Monsanto ranked fifth among U.S. corporations in EPA’s Toxic Release Inventory, having discharged 37 million pounds of toxic chemicals into the air, land, water and underground.Since the inception of Plan Colombia in 2000, the US has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in funding aerial sprayings of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicides in Colombia. The Roundup is often applied in concentrations 26 times higher than what is recommended for agricultural use. Additionally, it contains at least one surfactant, Cosmo-Flux 411f, whose ingredients are a trade secret, has never been approved for use in the US, and which quadruples the biological action of the herbicide.Not surprisingly, numerous human health impacts have been recorded in the areas affected by the sprayings, including respiratory, gastrointestinal and skin problems, and even death, especially in children. Additionally, fish and animals will show up dead in the hours and days subsequent to the herbicide sprayings.In the 1980s and early 1990s, Monsanto was behind the aggressive promotion of synthetic Bovine Growth Hormone, approved by the FDA for commercial sale in 1994, despite strong concerns about its safety. Since then, Monsanto has sued small dairy companies that advertised their products as free of the artificial hormone, most recently bringing a lawsuit against Oakhurst Dairy in Maine.In August, 2003, Monsanto and its former chemical subsidiary, Solutia, Inc. (now owned by Pharmacia Corp.), agreed to pay $600 million to settle claims brought by more than 20,000 residents of Anniston, AL, over the severe contamination of ground and water by tons of PCBs dumped in the area from the 1930s until the 1970s. Court documents revealed that Monsanto was aware of the contamination decades earlier.
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Their business model wrt gm plants is incredibly sleazy, too, regardless of the ecological effects
― Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
― locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:03 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i had this exact question....
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
For fun and profit.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Monsanto sucks in a lot of ways but the "tinkering with nature" hysteria is really tiresome. Most of the (non-GMO) plants and animals we eat have already been aberrations to "nature" for hundreds or thousands of years thanks to selective breeding.
― Oh shit, that's my bone! (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Even if I didn't mind tampering with my food, Monsanto would be the last entity I'd want touching it.
― *tera, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Some argue that deregulation is the best way to combat this, because the little guys just can't deal with it (I know wacky idea, and not one I entirely agree with).
Monsanto doesn't think it's a wacky idea!
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not only was it exposed that the U.S. is threatening nations who oppose Monsanto with military-style trade wars, but that many U.S. diplomats actually work directly for Monsanto.
In 2007 it was requested that specific nations inside the European Union be punished for not supporting the expansion of Monsanto's GMO crops. The request for such measures to be taken was made by Craig Stapleton, the United States ambassador to France and partner to George W. Bush. Despite mounting evidence linking Monsanto's GM corn to organ damage and environmental devastation, the ambassador plainly calls for 'target retaliation' against those not supporting the GM crop. In the leaked documents, Stapleton states:
"Country team Paris recommends that we calibrate a target retaliation list that causes some pain across the EU since this is a collective responsibility, but that also focuses in part on the worst culprits. The list should be measured rather than vicious and must be sustainable over the long term, since we should not expect an early victory. Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voices."
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 January 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know it's not the main problem being addressed in this article, but I've seen the organ damage study referenced a lot. Just to refute that, here is one scientist's take on the problems with the study and conclusions reached: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/
Trade wars, government corrupt, environmental devastation, sure, I wouldn't put it past them. But organ damage from GMO corn, not likely.
― Jeff, Monday, 23 January 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not that this is a totally reassuring thought, but if there was a food product introduced into the mainstream food supply -- one that, in fact, was found in almost EVERYTHING we eat -- and it caused organ failure, wouldn't you see a sudden and alarming rise in organ failure?
― frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 January 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
though the last three paragraphs are hardly reassuring
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
there was an essay i remember reading in one of those alt-collections from the 90s (i think) - either Apocalypse Culture or Amok Journal or something like that - about how the invention of agriculture ruined human society. does anyone else know of this?
this was prob Jared Diamond?
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's a common anti-civ talking point, see Derrick Jensen, John Zerzan, Chellis Glendinning, etc. Diamond would fit in there as well.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean he wrote a lil piece that had exactly that as its thesis.
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 01:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm sure this guy is an evil tool head but it's hard to defend raw milk. Seriously.
― Jeff, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm trying to be careful with what I post to this thread, because for whatever reason the anti-Monsanto sentiment is already at fever pitch right now; countless FB posts with a lot of false information (Monsanto owns Blackwater), old information or hyperbole (whole foods)
But cracking down on the Amish with armed raids for selling their own milk seems a little extreme?
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Actually I'll back down on this one a bit, reading up on the raw milk craze of the last ten years. I don't suspect these kinds of raids as base acts of removing the competition, but if they really are pulling guns on the Amish, that does seem like an overreaction
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
True, agree. Just ask them nicely to hand it over.
― Jeff, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
my 4-5 facebook friends who occasionally post about chemtrails are all about the Mansato hate right now
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 1 March 2012 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 1 March 2012 08:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
― I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Monsanto, the massive biotechnology company being blamed for contributing to the dwindling bee population, has bought up one of the leading bee collapse research organizations. Recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their role in the downfall of the vital insects. It is therefore quite apparent why Monsanto bought one of the largest bee research firms on the planet.
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
The most recent Harvard study linked Bee Colony Collapse Disorder to imidacloprid - a pesticide. Not corn or corn syrup. The pesticide can be transmitted via corn syrup or pollen the report said. Nothing to do with genetically modified corn. This story got changed somewhat to "Pesticide-laden corn syrup lead to CCD" which not what the study demonstrated.
I don't know of a credible report that links CCD to genetically modified corn. Anyone?
― everything, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
By the way, when I said "this got changed somewhat" I mean some websites who report on environmental issues reported it that way and it got passed around Facebook etc like that.
― everything, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
what is the deal with the "Monsanto Protection Act"? Seeing this phrase on facebook, but
SEC. 735. In the event that a determination of non-regulatedstatus made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant Protection Actis or has been invalidated or vacated, the Secretary of Agricultureshall, notwithstanding any other provision of law, upon requestby a farmer, grower, farm operator, or producer, immediately granttemporary permit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject tonecessary and appropriate conditions consistent with section 411(a)or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim conditionsshall authorize the movement, introduction, continued cultivation,commercialization and other specifically enumerated activities andrequirements, including measures designed to mitigate or minimizepotential adverse environmental effects, if any, relevant to theSecretary’s evaluation of the petition for non-regulated status, whileensuring that growers or other users are able to move, plant,cultivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other authorizedactivities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such conditionsshall be applicable only for the interim period necessary for theSecretary to complete any required analyses or consultations relatedto the petition for non-regulated status: Provided further, Thatnothing in this section shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’sauthority under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant ProtectionAct.
― how's life, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
what are barack obama's flaws?
― THIZZ VAN LEER @_@ (lpz), Thursday, 28 March 2013 04:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
he's so perfect that he intimidates everyone else
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
it's possible that he cares TOO much. also, sometimes he may be a little too good at doing things, which can discourage those around him who feel that they cannot "keep up". sometimes, arguably, he works too hard - again, intimidating his co-workers.
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
I can't form a rational opinion about this issue because I find the anti-GMO crowd to be obscenely obnoxious
― Heyman (crüt), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah there's something about the GMO panic crowd that seems just like two notches more sane than the anti-vaccine crowd (and there's obvious overlap) and that prejudices me. I'm mistrustful of monsanto, but I also feel kind of like "Ok, make a case for me WHY it would be dangerous to take a gene from one species and put it in a different species." Like "we don't know all the potential effects" isn't a good enough argument. I have no fucking idea what will happen if I mix my dish soap with some tomato juice, baking soda and pepto bismol and put it in the microwave for 30 seconds, but that doesn't mean I have a good reason to believe it would be dangerous.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Friday, 29 March 2013 00:54 (8 months ago) Permalink
p sure that the reason monsanto is bad has more to do with hugeness.
big farming:gmo panic::big pharma:vaccine panic
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 29 March 2013 00:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah I am on board with the antitrust and IP concerns, but the "Monsanto Protection Act" seems to be more about food safety fears that don't strike me as warranted.
I found this:
very sorry for linking to anything called "skeptical libertarian" but it's the first site I've found that actually gets into the details of what the legislation actually does, and their analysis mostly sounds convincing
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
― Heyman (crüt), Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, otm for everything tbh
― mister borges (darraghmac), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
just wanted to belatedly respond to the above post
The most recent Harvard study linked Bee Colony Collapse Disorder to imidacloprid - a pesticide. Not corn or corn syrup. The pesticide can be transmitted via corn syrup or pollen the report said. Nothing to do with genetically modified corn. This story got changed somewhat to "Pesticide-laden corn syrup lead to CCD" which not what the study demonstrated.
― everything, Monday, April 23, 2012 10:37 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If it wasn't clear, I was not trying to link CCD directly to genetically modified corn. Of course, use of imidacloprid has increased dramatically with the global marketing of Monsanto's Roundup + Roundup Ready GMO product chain over the last ~15 years.
The European Union has proposed to ban their use on crops frequented by bees. Some researchers have concluded that neonicotinoids caused extensive die-offs in Germany and France.
Neonicotinoids are hardly the beekeepers’ only concern. Herbicide use has grown as farmers have adopted crop varieties, from corn to sunflowers, that are genetically modified to survive spraying with weedkillers. Experts say some fungicides have been laced with regulators that keep insects from maturing, a problem some beekeepers have reported.
Eric Mussen, an apiculturist at the University of California, Davis, said analysts had documented about 150 chemical residues in pollen and wax gathered from beehives.
“Where do you start?” Dr. Mussen said. “When you have all these chemicals at a sublethal level, how do they react with each other? What are the consequences?”
Experts say nobody knows. But Mr. Adee, who said he had long scorned environmentalists’ hand-wringing about such issues, said he was starting to wonder whether they had a point.
Of the “environmentalist” label, Mr. Adee said: “I would have been insulted if you had called me that a few years ago. But what you would have called extreme — a light comes on, and you think, ‘These guys really have something. Maybe they were just ahead of the bell curve.’”
― Milton Parker, Friday, 29 March 2013 18:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
distrust of big ag is fine, I just don't get why we should disproportionately distrust this one particular kind of big ag
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
Aimless balls beef
― Woody Ellen (Matt P), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
My argument: when the public demands strong safeguards to regulate the introduction of genetically modified plants and animals into generalized use they are not being anti-science, but rather are recognizing the potential for abuses or harms which are inherent in the capitalist system. When they are sceptical of corporate-financed research into questions of safety, their scepticism is justified by past experience (see the pharmaceutical industry). When they perceive that the stakes are even greater with gmo organisms than with drugs, because food is grown under far less contained and controlled circumstances than the manufacture of drugs and food is consumed by everyone while drugs are consumed by only a fraction of the population, they have a rational point. When they are wary of the potential for industry capture of regulatory agencies producing weak or negligent oversight of industry, they are not imagining this potential. When they maintain a public clamor over these potential dangers, they are using the one political power they have to counteract the many institutional forces which tend to favor profit over safety. And when opponents say that all this amounts to luddite fear and ignorance, they are using scorn and ridicule in place of addressing the legitimacy of these concerns.
If any of those statements is the equivalent of saying gmo foods ought to be banned because omg frankenfood, then you can kick me in the crotch. If you would like to argue against the rationality of any of these, then quote it directly and state why it is misguided or wrong.
― Aimless, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
Or was I supposed to be defending a completely different set of positions that you find it more convenient to dismiss?
― Aimless, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
when exactly is when there
― balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
This is like talking to a weight/fortune machine.
― Aimless, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
i was thinking sarah palin on my end but, again, feel free to clarify
― balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
― Aimless, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
Here are some more bad vibes
There is still no explanation provided by the authorities as to the cause of death of Gloeckner’s cows. The biotech industry claims that Bt toxins are quickly digested in the stomach and are only effective in insect target species. However, a recent study has found the toxin in the blood of over 80 % of women and their unborn children tested in Canada . Because naturally existing Bt toxins from the soil bacterium have been used for a long time, long-term toxicology and health risk assessments on Bt proteins in GM crops were not done. However, there are important differences between the naturally produced toxins that can be washed off the crops, as opposed to genetically modified toxins that are part and parcel of the GM crop. Independent studies have shown that basing health assessments on flawed scientific assumptions is not only arrogant, but foolish.
Scientific studies dating from the 1990s have identified Bt toxins as potent immunogens, with Cry1Ac inducing immune responses in mice similar to the cholera toxin . Farm workers dealing with Bt cotton have consistently reported allergic responses requiring hospitalisation in some cases (see  More Illnesses Linked to Bt Crops, SiS 30). Binding of Cry1Ac to the intestine of mice has been shown, with concomitant diarrhoea symptoms . A meta-analysis of 3 month feeding studies in laboratory animals found that Bt maize led to changes in blood protein levels indicative of abnormal liver metabolism (see  GM Feed Toxic, Meta-Analysis Confirms, SiS 52). A recent study finds Cry1Ab toxic to human kidney cells, causing cell death at low doses (see  Bt Toxin Kills Human Kidney Cells, SiS 52).
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 5 May 2013 18:16 (7 months ago) Permalink
almost every claim that author makes is causally specious. i'd like to read an article that's published somewhere a little more reputable than "occupymonsanto360.org"
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 May 2013 18:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
i should say "seem", because i'm not reading the other websites the author linked to
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 May 2013 19:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 5 May 2013 22:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
ok i read that paper. the authors essentially say that the evidence monsanto provided to regulators is really flawed, due either to low standards required by regulating bodies or by deliberately misleading research methods employed by the investigators. to be honest i'm not familiar with the statistical methods they used to interpret the data they were given (methods they had to use since the sample sizes were so small), but their conclusion essentially is that the results are troubling; they call for additional research with longer follow-up, and they m/l echo that nature editorial by saying the research should be more independent. i agree w/ that, and monsanto is awful. the evidence that GM food is harmful is still very weak, though
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 May 2013 23:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
the evidence that GM food is harmful is still very weak, though
I agree with you, but this paper suggests that the only reason why that is so is probably because no one has yet done the research. and while the minimal research that has been done is far from definitive, it is already far from encouraging -- the only mammals which were tested before market were rats, which developed kidney & liver problems within 3-5 months -- not long enough to prove causation, but that's been the extent of the testing. there's that, and there's the Bt toxins showing up in blood tests instead of being filtered by our livers as advertised: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1388888/GM-food-toxins-blood-93-unborn-babies.html
there was no popular vote to allow this into 87% of our corn supply, and therefore most of what we use to feed our animal livestock, which we then eat. when it comes to the wisdom of splicing a protein that causes an insect's stomach to explode into our own food chain, I would think the burden of proof would be on those arguing for, not those against -- and what this paper is telling us is that the burden has really not been met
― Milton Parker, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:31 (6 months ago) Permalink
the wikipedia post on these issues links to rebuttals on both of the studies I mention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_maize#Safety_issues
I understand why some have become allergic to anti-GMO activism, especially now that it's reached peak level facebook .jpg dissemination, and I'm pro-GMO research in the abstract. I've certainly got more to read about this, and I appreciate the conversation.
― Milton Parker, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:53 (6 months ago) Permalink
Harking back to my points made upthread, if a corporation holds a patent on a GMO, it is in the interest of that corporation to protect that patent from anything which may tend to lessen its eventual profitability. Hence, if a corporation is required to provide studies and data upon the safety of introducing a GMO into the general environment, it is in the interests of that corporation to provide the very least data acceptable to regulators and to present it in the most favorable possible light.
A market-oriented conservative might argue that the true interest of the corporation is to do due diligence and avoid the liability of introducing a harmful product, but this overlooks the obvious fact that few of their customers will have the financial means or the sophistication to supplement the corporation's original faulty research with better research of greater depth and breadth, and that most government regulatory agencies or research universities can be co-opted through political influence or money. Therefore, if the product makes big profits, those same profits can be used to subvert the system and protect the corporation from liability.
― Aimless, Monday, 6 May 2013 05:06 (6 months ago) Permalink
it's easier to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Monday, 6 May 2013 12:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
Some critics have emphasized that no adverse effects have been reported on either farm animals or in the human population of the USA who have consumed an unknown mixture GMO crop derived food. Such claims are scientifically unsound for the following reasons. First, it is important to note that there have been neither epidemiological studies of the human population nor monitoring of farm animals in an attempt to correlate any ill-health observed with the consumption of a given GM crop. Second, it should be recalled that farm animals are not reared to live for the entire duration of their natural lifespan, and thus usually do not live long enough to develop long-term chronic diseases, which contrasts with the rats in our life-long experiment. If any studies in lactating cows are conducted, biological analyses performed are far less complete than those done in regulatory tests using rodents including in our study. Third, as there is no labeling of GMO food and feed in the USA, the amount consumed is unknown, and no “control group” exists. Thus, without a clear traceability or labeling, no epidemiological survey can be performed.
This is from Séralini's 'Answers to critics: Why there is a long term toxicity due to a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize and to a Roundup herbicide'
The journal that published the study has responded to critics by inventing a new position on their board for an ex-Monsanto employee. The comments on this article are concerning: http://independentsciencenews.org/science-media/the-goodman-affair-monsanto-targets-the-heart-of-science/
A peer-reviewed study on Bt mammal toxicity pulled after publication: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23146696
― Milton Parker, Monday, 20 May 2013 19:29 (6 months ago) Permalink
someone on FB posted this "simple list of companies to avoid"
so all I have to do is make sure my money never ever ends up in the hands of people who drink soft drinks... got it.
― crüt, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:46 (6 months ago) Permalink
Also, be absolutely sure that your money never ends up in the hands of Hershey's Nestle!
― how's life, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
Wheat in Chicago fell, headed for the biggest monthly loss since February, after Japan suspended imports from the U.S., where the government discovered an unapproved, genetically modified strain growing in an Oregon field.
Japan, the biggest buyer of U.S. wheat behind Mexico, suspended imports of western-white wheat and feed wheat from the U.S., said Hiromi Iwahama, the director for grain trade and operation at the agriculture ministry. Scientists said the rogue wheat in Oregon was a strain tested from 1998 to 2005 by Monsanto Co. (MON), the world’s top seedmaker. Japan also canceled a purchase of 24,926 metric tons of white wheat.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 31 May 2013 20:24 (6 months ago) Permalink
gree hee hee
― ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 31 May 2013 20:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
This is front page news in Oregon, it is a big deal.
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 31 May 2013 21:00 (6 months ago) Permalink
huh, i never knew Oregon was a wheat producer
― lipitor retriever (brownie), Friday, 31 May 2013 22:48 (6 months ago) Permalink
Now the proud owners of Blackwater aka Xe Services (and now Academi?)
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 21 July 2013 23:42 (4 months ago) Permalink
wait really? googling it there's much noise on this subject but everyone's source seems to be this three-year-old scahill article about monsanto being one of blackwater's clients. it's got this hilariously scary bit
One of the most incendiary details in the documents is that Blackwater, through Total Intelligence, sought to become the "intel arm" of Monsanto, offering to provide operatives to infiltrate activist groups organizing against the multinational biotech firm.
which i hadn't known (although note "sought to"), but it doesn't say monsanto bought the company. the two highest results for "monsanto blackwater" are articles called, respectively, "Yes, Monsanto Actually DID Buy the BLACKWATER Mercenary Group!" and "No, Monsanto actually DIDN'T buy Blackwater." the former does not fill me w confidence:
Xe (now Academi) has, indeed, been purchased, and while there’s no way of DOCUMENTING who the new owners really are, the logical conclusion would be that Monsanto, who had been employing them prior to the sale are the new owners.
idk if that's the logical conclusion. still, plenty to get high and contemplate for doomy thrills in biotech giants buddying up to mercenary crusader giants even without outright purchase.
― """""""""""""stalin""""""""""" (difficult listening hour), Monday, 22 July 2013 00:14 (4 months ago) Permalink