Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

This guy is speaking my language. Name another band to borrow so beautifully from a trio of English folk, various American styles, and African music thrown in for good measure. I'm proud most of all of the DMB's multiculturalism. They seemed to mix a lot of cultures together. I'm talking of their first album of course "Remember Two Things".

Are you sure we're talking the same language, because I think I was talking about pickups, how despite overall lameness it was kind of cool that they embraced such a shitty pickup sound, and you're hearing multicultural blending. I don't even particularly hear the English folk influence, but I'll concede, no American band had ever been influenced by African music before. That was a real revelation, and no ignorant college student or well informed music critic can take that away from you.

This is possibly incorrect.

and just why not, pray tell? i most certainly can!!

that's also not 'possibly incorrect', it's absolutely incorrect.

hahahhahhaahahaaha

Oh, really?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

that's totally wrong of course. but name me a band of Americans, before or since, that has incorporated African pop styles into its music and sold on the mass scale of the Dave Matthews Band. sure, African music on Graceland and other Paul Simons is far more prominent, but is made by session players backing up an artist already well established in the pop firmament. And DMB has outsold Graceland twice.

and this matters why?

(and what shakey said, jeezes talking heads)

how many of DMB's followers would even go try to get into the backstory of his uber-bland "music" and find his 'roots', so to speak? i'd bet not many.

cultural impact

jeezes talking heads

who have sold nowhere near Paul Simon, let alone DMB.

real scientific

I'm not gonna take your word for that - show me some numbers.

of course Euros know African music. we're talking America here.

uh, what? yr spouting some serious ridiculousness here. America developed Afro-influenced music (gospel blues jazz ad infinitum) long before Euros had even acknowledged the legitimacy of African music.

yes, and we are speaking of contemporary music influenced by the African popular music that was itself influenced by American rock/r&b music. Britishes are more likely to be influenced by such for the same reason that you hear a lot more news about Africa on the BBC than you do on NPR.

I'm not gonna take your word for that - show me some numbers.

LOL. you can search for yourself here

Talking Heads have sold fewer than 8 million records over the course of their career. Paul Simon solo has sold fewer than 16 million. DMB has sold 30 million records, and many millions more in videos.

Didn't mention anything about sales.

Didn't mention anything about sales.

and obviously I'm not backing him up but making my own independent assertion

again, bullshit - Johnny Clegg and Savuka. He never sold as much as DMB, but you can put that down to timing and marketing.

where does someone like Stevie Wonder and his afro-excursions fit into your alternate reality?

uh

where does someone like Stevie Wonder and his afro-excursions fit into your alternate reality?

here's a more useful list of cumulative album sales. f'rinstance...

Michael Jackson 60.5
DMB 30.5
The Cars 23.5
The Police 22.5
Sade 22.5
Stevie Wonder 19.5
Grateul Dead 17.5
Bob Marley 16.5
Paul Simon 13.5

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), August 22nd, 2006.

guess it's a good thing i'm not a 'scientist' then, isn't it? of course, it was a 'scientific' thing i said, now was it?

and keep kickin that dead dead horsie there, ol' gabbneb.
somehow we'll see that point.

SECONDLY AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thirdly, ok, forgot about Bo Diddley, but certainly Dave Mathews Band is the first group of American Musician's to ever be influenced by European music. I mean their use of violin and all.

Michael Jackson 60.5
DMB 30.5"

you gotta admire the way gabbneb's stacked the argument here: by his criteria there's only one person who could possibly challenge DMB's seat as the "biggest selling figure in American pop to incorporate African pop music" ie, Michael Jackson.

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for a dude with tissue-paper skin about the words-in-mouth thing, you shore do it an awful lot. my real point was, dudes, if you want to take my argument down, you're missing your biggest weapon.