Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Obviously any dip in Liverpool's form would be an entirely unwelcome side-effect of my plan.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

I am almost ashamed - but no, really just sad - to have to say that I cannot clearly remember that League Cup victory.

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Houllier's grebt season:

UEFA - won against 9-men Spanish team through own goal in extra-time; Spanish team have never been heard of since.

FA Cup - should have been about 4-0 down then two goals with two attacks in the last 10 mins

League Cup - Beat a 1st Division side on penalties

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

but in all of them, won it when others didn't.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

Also finishing SECOND IN THE PREMIERSHIP the following season...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

but in all of them, won it when others didn't.

A fitting epitaph for Gerard.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

... can anyone else clearly remember that League Cup victory?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

Haha I do... JOHN SCALES scored! Tottenham went onto win the cup.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

The one where we beat Bolton? It's hazy for me I must admit

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

I can't remember it but the bare details are:

Tuesday, Nov 10, 1998

Liverpool 1 (Owen 80)
Tottenham Hotspur 3 (Iversen 2, Scales 19, Nielsen 61)

Arsenal lost 5-0 at home to Chelsea the following night!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

Oh christ I remember that, appalling, I watched Chelsea beat what was just about an Arsenal reserve team the next night in a really nice pub in Edinburgh, where I got very drunk on 80bob

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

Everton went out the same night on penalties at home to Sunderland, John Collins scoring a rare goal for us in a 1-1 draw. John Collins - what promise, what enormous wages, what a waste.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

Jayzus, yes, I remember being 0-3 up, and probably still fearing the Liverpool comeback.

I suppose that 11.98, Owen was still England's brightest young star?

Uh-oh -- he still is?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

Good old Tottenham pessimism. I remember against Chelsea in the Worthington Cup a few years back - it was only when the fourth goal went in that it occurred to me that we might not lose.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

Me too!

That was only... 2 years ago?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

In the pub for Dave Boyle's birthday FAP tonight I saw the TV (no sound) flash up 'HEADLINES' then there was a shot of Houllier giving a press conference. I immediately thought that maybe he has resigned - and then they cut to a shot of Keegan, and I was immensely amused at the idea of him as a replacement. Turned out their top headline was about Liverpool hoping to beat Arsenal. Quiet news day, I assume.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

Everton can't do F'all because they were a G14ish team that fell by the wayside at exactly the wrong moment. Liverpool had just enough kudos to be included in the G14/perception of being a big European club. I'm glad that on the other thread (EC CUP) everyone takes the anti-G14 attitude they do because remember R Madrid did not win the European Cup between the 1960's & 1998? - Who the fuck were they?
It is about money & because of that I think all our goodwill to Ranieri will disappear next season

― drum (drum), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

Owen's put them ahead again! I'm off the pub.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:30 (twenty years ago) link

All gone to shit. Arsenal have scored twice and the pub said it wasn't on Sky. What sodding channel is it on?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

It's not on anywhere as far as I know.

Pay per view maybe? It might be on in a pub here except all pubs and off licences are closed today.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

didn't you ask 'em N.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

I asked them and they said it was on some weird channel they didn't have. I am reduced to comparing web commentaries (left my radio walkman at home for the first time in months and I can't use the plug in one here cause our office electrical weirdness blocks out all AM reception). Soccernet's weird 'gamecast' thing attempts to show what's happening on the field but I can't make head nor tail of it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

tail?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

As ever, eurosport.com's commentary is the most entertaining, but not the most up to date.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

Can you pick up 5Live in Dublin? I can't remember. Or does Irish radio carry it?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I have now made out the tail but the head is still eluding me.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

The Eurosport guy really has it in for Carragher.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have a radio handy, but I'm going to try and listen online now.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:08 (twenty years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/teams/a/arsenal/html/live_hi.stm

radio won't work for me for some reason.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't think 5live were allowed to broadcast games on the web. It's too late now anyway - my lunch hour is over.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

Crap. Henry makes it 4. What makes it worse is that he's not in my FF team cause I thought he was injured.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Shite.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

Touching summary from Graham Taylor "It doesn't matter how famous the Arsenal players are, it's easy to forget they're still part of the human race, and a week like this will have been hard for them"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

Uh-oh.

― the beebfox, Friday, 9 April 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

A-ha.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

Take Henry?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

listened to it and was quite hopeful at half time, still they were bound to backlash against someone, just had to be us of course didn't it, ah well. Do Newcastle still have to play them too?

Apparent;y Henry's second has to be seen to be believed "Maradonna-esque" What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 April 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Ron Atkinson: 'And Beckenbauer really has gambled all his eggs'. Heh heh heh. Surely there's a Ron thread lurking somewhere? If not, why not?

― Will McKenzie, Friday, 9 April 2004 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

There's a postscript to all this Good Friday hoohah, half the reason the Pinefox revived this thread. I hope the PF was spared the sadness in Chris Waddle's voice tonight as he tabulated the Hotspur shortcomings. Carr's goal wins the tie on aggregate though. Thanks for the lend of 12th place, you can have it back next week.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

Chris - Newcastle are at home to Arsenal on Sunday. Only one game for the Toonpies this weekend, the trip to Southampton having been put back by the UEFA Cup (commitments & speculation) to May 12th. So L'pool will be up a game in the race for 4th spot until very nearly the end of the campaign.

I was tickled by the delicious notion that Arsenal could remain unbeaten in the Premiership AND STILL NOT WIN IT. Three wins and four draws in the remaining seven - Chelsea could pip them.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

"What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?"

mm or attempted waving a leg or vaguely moving towards him, that would have been good too

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

I missed that sadness.

Fear not, I have plenty of my own.

― the bluefox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:55 (twenty years ago) link

Football is a vale of tears.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

it was on in hubbard's.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

Hubbard's is a vale of tears too far.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:10 (twenty years ago) link

Yours is not to reason why.

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:17 (twenty years ago) link

I went out straight after Owen's goal went in. I was upset when I got to the pub at 8.00 that evening to finally find out the result. I was even more upset 25 minutes and three Everton goals later.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 10 April 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

"Stevie" Gerrard shouldnae have been booked yesterday.

I don't think that every failed penalty appeal should be a booking.

For this aggressive, active player to... 'collect' his first buiking of the season (!) in this way says that something went wrong.

I heard a fan (?) on R5 yesterday squalling about the heckling and banners that would force Houllier out. It was enough to make anyone back GH. It felt wrong, trés wrong.

― the liverfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

I agree, it had me seething at the radio too, it's just not the Liverpool way (ie he should be shunted upstauirs in the close season with the minimum of fuss and yer man MON brought in forthwith)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:50 (twenty years ago) link

There did seem to be alot of booing. But I maintain that regardless of position he has to go now. They're likely to finish the worst 4th place in years if they even do that. I think sometimes fans have a right to boo surely? How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

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