2008 Primaries Thread

Fair point. I need to fucking go to bed. Night all.

xp yeah i'm not sure how much even the 'shortcut' model controls for whatever media filters contribute to building a given voter's impressions on candidates. perhaps i should read the book.

Is HRC still promising new spelling rules and jobs?

http://images.google.com/images?q=%22new+jobs+for+tommorrow%22&

We made up a great Democratic National Debates Drinking Game -

Every time a candidate says the word "change," take a shot. Every time Bill Richardson says the words "I'm the only one up here who..." take two shots.

You'll be rip roaring drunk in ten minutes.

lol camille paglia hate hillary http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/01/10/hillary/?source=whitelist

At this point Paglia is the academic version of Maureen Dowd.

not even

Bill Richardson's problem is that he looks like Horatio Sanz. Who could live down the comparison to one of this century's greatest monsters?

xp: more Dowds, more Paglias, fewer Rodhams, plz

Richardson can go back to saying "maricon" on Imus now.

John Kerry Endorses Obama

^beginning of the end^

Rosa Brooks (LA Times) on Bloggingheads.tv: "If the Republican attack machine tries to portray Obama as the 'scary black guy' or the 'scary Muslim guy,' it won't work. We're moving to a place where that's just not attractive to people. The average American is better than that at this point. There has been a cultural sea change in the nation on issues of race."

LOL. Silly pundit. Were it only true.

-- Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, January 9, 2008 8:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
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Wow. So, I've had conversations with three women in the past 24 hours, all probably 30-45 years old, all strangers (one a friend of a friend, two others in a coffee shop when we turned to watch CNN at the same time) -- all of whom have some crazy skepicism about Obama because he toured with Oprah, and concern that somehow that means that he'll be representing African-American interests over American interests if he's elected. One today said to me that she didn't know why any white people were out stumping for him like Oprah is. The one was last said she knew how angry African-Americans were about slavery and how if one was in office you don't know what he would really do. (I tried pointing out that Larry David stumped for him yesterday, tried asking them if there is any African-American who they thought would not act this was -- Hallie Berry was the only one she could come up with.) Just weird, naive, racist stuff from these professional (thought not intellectual) women.

-- Eazy, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 3:45 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

Mind, this was in Chicago. Guess what they're saying down in North Carolina?

Guess what they're saying down in North Carolina?

http://bunchofpants.com/images/blogimages/oprah.jpg

haha

I'm not saying, btw, that Obama can't win. Far from it. He can win (in fact, he's far more likely to win than HRC). But the idea that Obama won't be the target of aggressive -- and at least somewhat successful -- whisper campaigns ("He's Black! He's a Muslim who will turn the country over to Islamofacists!") is fantasy.

it may be fantasy to think that these campaigns will be whispered, if he gets the democratic nomination.

I have no reason to suspect the pattern of every campaign being worse than the last since 1980 will be broken.

darraghmac OTM. I am actually terrified about that the latent nastiness that I suspect is bubbling under the surface for many of my fellow countrymen will spew forth should Obama get the nomination. Just warning everyone to brace themselves.

You're right.

He can win (in fact, he's far more likely to win than HRC). But the idea that Obama won't be the target of aggressive -- and at least somewhat successful -- whisper right-wing campaigns ("He's Black! He's a Muslim who will turn the country over to Islamofacists!") is fantasy.

Fixed.

Rich fuck prepares to buy a spot on the ballot:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0802,robbins,78813,2.html

Also, Obama's people would do best to underplay Kerry's support. Don't need that drama.

I find it hard to believe Bloomberg would enter unless he wanted to spoil it for someone. I can't imagine he thinks he'd win.

more adverts- what could we substitute for gunboats or wolves this time? an obama lookalike in a towel with a scimitar? sounds like a bruckheimer shoe in

i can see bloomberg pulling support away from romney's mainstream business base in the republican party, possibly stealing away from Hillary's older, centrist base.

bloomy just wants to raise his profile so he can get a cabinet spot or run for congress or some such shit

could backfire tho - i cant see him having any appeal nationally

Bloomie doesn't strike me as a collaborator. or as much of anything but a CEO.

I can't fathom why anyone outside of NY gives a fuck about Bloomberg, or is even remotely aware of him... I don't think the electorate can take THREE NYers running for Prez. how obnoxious would that be.

it depends on who gets nominated: he could do damage either party in a Huckabee-Clinton matchup

woman vs. jew vs. black vs. mormon FITE

I better not see Kerry hovering over Obama at campaign events like he's Chuck Norris or someone.

vaht a cahntry

i have a hard time believing that that attacks against obama are going to be any worse than the attacks against hillary.

xposts to the karl rove comments about obama - didn't rove express some serious glee back in 2007 that hillary was emerging as the main candidate? i wouldn't be surprised at all if he was making those comments about obama because he'd much rather see hillary be the nom.

prophet-worshiper vs. profit-worshiper

is ross perot still alive?

if he can do what he did why couldn't bloomberg? cuz as a ny jew he can't appeal to the same crowd?

77 years and still tickin'

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can a presidential candidate OWN a tv station?

b/c Bloomberg doesn't have the qualities of a fiery outsider. He's more of a "grower", as a friend put it.

grower, not a show-er, eh?

that would be a provocative campaign slogan

We need more plutocrats in this race. ROMNEY-BLOOMBERG FITE.

i don't think bloomberg's penis has the charisma to run a successful presidential campaign

Look, said the stories, rich men can do more than make fools of themselves on TV game shows: They can speak seriously about the environment, about guns that shouldn't be sold, and about schools that don't teach. His solutions for these ailments are only modest and of the most pedestrian variety. But he has been elected mayor of New York twice and he is hugely wealthy, so he must be taken very seriously.

I think this is a little unfair. Bloomberg has been an excellent administrator, and some of his proposed initiatives, like congestion-pricing, have been a bit more than pedestrian. I don't see why his being rich should take away from the credit due to him.

i suppose if you dont like plutocrats you ought to want an extra one in the race, no?

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westside stadium transfat initiative

if bloomberg was prez then we could finally outlaw smoking in this country altogether

then i could finally start my blackmarket cigarette business

westside stadium transfat initiative

lol

aorta congestion pricing