― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
idk if you'd like them. i don't have a great handle on what indie rockier music you might like. the new album is way more song-y than panda bear if that means anything.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 01:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
Indie rock albums this year I love: LCD Soundsystem, Charlotte Hatherley, Spoon, Gogol Bordello
Indie rock albums this year I like well enough: Battles, New Young Pony Club, the Hives, the White Stripes, Grinderman
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
Truth is, I like a lot of indie music. The National, Iron + Wine, and (well I don't know if indie has claimed them but) The Noisettes are all on my year end lists. I just don't like Animal Collective, Panda Bear, St. Vincent, or Joanna Newsom. I actually hate them, and I've put the time in listening to their albums (Newsom I listened to about half a dozen times) to try and get what's going on there. And I just don't get it.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
Jinx. Oh yeah, I like the Hives + the White Stripes album. I liked a bunch of indie albums this year. Sorry for not liking whiny freak-folk.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
rev you might like this but all those albums kinda groove in an SFJ-type way which doesnt surprise me since your tastes seem to skew more towards rap/r&b/reggaeton (yeah?) and animal collective are kind of like weightless on the bottom end and really compressed. def more indie pop than anything you mentioned.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 01:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
newsom blows and new animal collective is def not folk, but i have no handle on what you like mordechai but it seems like you would/do hate the fuck out strawberry jam.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 01:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
Thing is, I like a lot of folk. Or rather, I like music that possibly has some folk resonances. I like Iron + Wine. A ton. Woman King EP is on constant replay in my apartment. It's just that the stuff I just mentioned doesn't click for me. I wish it did because a lot of people are really passionate about it, and I wanna get in on that. But there's something really unpleasant about it. (I don't like Andrew Bird either.)
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
Also, vis-a-vis Band of Horses, I saw them open for Iron + Wine once and they were horrific. Like people were actually talking through their set because of how painful the music was. The only time I saw a more negative reaction was when Coco Rosie opened for Sufjan Stevens and half the place walked out.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
i most def do not get how anyone could really love person pitch.
I do, my roommate doesn't. He loves Strawberry Jam though, and said that the reason I love PP so inordinately is because I also like the Beach Boys a lot more than he does. Which is probably accurate. I can understand why people dislike it though, especially given the all the adulation (I dub this the "Destroyer Effect").
I like those OM and Rockarolla lists more than anything else on the thread so far. A lot of my fave stuff (Edward Ka-Spel, Nurse With WOund, etc.) usually misses out in these polls. Good to see a list for jazz reissues also.
It's also really nice to have all this yearend stuff on one thread.
― sleeve, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
Discovering Tokyo Jihen and Lansing-Dreiden have made me more interested in looking for more current rock bands I might like, but there's such an overwhelming amount of the stuff that I don't like that it's nearly impossible. I just thought I would mention that. I need to try doing a Tokyo Jihen station of Last FM again, but I know what I'm going to get. I'm going to get a lot of j-rock and j-pop that I either don't like, or that is just okay, but that I won't love or care about.
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
My top ten is changing about every hour on the hour. I heard too much great music this year.
― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
I have to commend you for having such an international scope.
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
FACT Magazine Top 100 Tracks of the Year!
― sam500, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
person pitch is way too distanced to even register half the time with me. the only song i really love on PP is "i'm not" cuz it's really emotional, like all those sampled voices just hanging in the air. it sounds like old choral or like gregorian chant music. it's the one song on the album that actually has some power.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 01:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
is FACT like the fader of the uk?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 01:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
lol @ "groove in an SFJ-type way"
I'm listening to "Peacebone" right now. (This is from their new album, yes?) The weird intro is cool, but when it gets into the actual tune it completely loses me.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'll check out "I'm Not," Jordan. I like Gregorian Chant music when I hear it (I hang out at the Cloisters every now and then). I'll seriously give anything a shot. If you can recommend something on Strawberry Jam, I'll try that too.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
The FACT list is really obnoxiously hip, and I like a lot of the things on it.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- sleeve, Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM (Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM) Bookmark Link
from straw jam, listen to "fireworks" (it's a single) and um maybe "for reverend green". my otehr favorite songs are the panda ones but if you guys really ahte person pitch i wouldn't bother. "chores" is like that same drunk/stoned underwater beach feel of person pitch but an actual song. way punchier. i love it.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah this FACT list is good.
They seriously have a song called "For Reverend Green"?!
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
FOOOOOOOOOR RODN3Y GREEN3
AAAAAAAAND CALLE THIRTEEEEEEN
FOOOOOOOR ROOOOOOOODN3Y GREEN3
AAAAAAAAAAAND CALLE THIIRTEEEEEN
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
^this is the chorus
I'm listening to fireworks. I've got the same problem with this as I have with all their music... The music seems pretentiously weird (weird for the sake of weird?), and the vocals aren't strong enough to really make up for that for me. And it really goes on way too long for me. And seriously, "the frightened babies poo"?
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
No, I'm saying the FACT list is way too "mp3 of the week".
xp haha (Actually Kanye West has overtaken Calle 13 as my album of the year. Shit seriously gets better every listen,)
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
FACT is a free (half-size) print mag right? But their website has really blossomed this year. Kiran Sande does a very nice monthly round-up of all things electronic in his 'Contemporary Fix' column. He's not afraid to dismiss the hype which is refreshing.
― sam500, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Fireworks" is alright except for the horrible singing (so far).
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
too bad about "fireworks". i had hope. i like graduation less every time i hear it. just seems way less accomplished than his other albums. still very good though. would be in my top 20 if my list expanded that far.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
Actually, the background vocals are fine, it's just the lead vocals that are awful. Otherwise, it sounds a lot like Battles.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
I love 'Stronger.' It's on my top 20. Too bad everyone only wants top 10 choices :(
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
funny that you say that it's trying to hard to be weird mord, cuz i think it kinda hits that perfect balance between weird (the percussion being actual fireworks or whatever) and an actual almost-pop song. i like the vocals a lot. the lyrics are whatever, there are little bits that hit really hard to me and others that are kinda shitty.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
This "I'm Not" song is pretty fucking amazing though. Kinda reminds me of (). Good call, Jordan.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't think Graduation quite hits the peaks of his first two, but there isn't any fat like there is on Dropout (actually, Dropout doesn't peak quite as high as I remembered) and it isn't 75% awful like Registration. I'm pretty sure at this point it's my favorite Kanye album. I've listened to it five times in the past three days.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
Okay, fuck this Animal Collective stuff. This guy needs to STFU.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
Well, at least you tried, Reverend.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
i think basically everything on dropout is amazing, half of late reg is amazing and graduation is kinda... more even keel and it's way less exciting in that manner. the songs are still great but it's the first ye album that sounds unimportant to me. i like it though! and "stronger" will be in my top 10. i just get nothing out of like "drunk and hot girls" or "barry bonds" or "big brother" etc.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
but i got nothing out of "roses" or "bring me down" or "addiction" but besides "stronger" the best stuff on graduation isn't as good as "gone" or "drive slow" or "touch the sky" etc.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
I should say, I wasn't particularly impressed with Graduation the first few times I heard it. It just seems so much more nuanced than Kanye's previous albums, or at least he seems less eager to please and less prone to shoving everything that's going on in your face at once.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
This guy needs to STFU.
― W4LTER, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
Okay, I think I have completely different taste in Kanye then you, judging by what you think of those particular songs.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
(Except for "Addiction" (shut up and stop being such a needy ass) and "Drive Slow" (one of his best songs)
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
2. good life
4. can't tell me nothing
6. good morning
7. flashing lights
8. barry bonds
9. everything i am
10. i wonder
11. big brother
if that gives you any idea where i'm coming from
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
Does that mean you don't even rate "Drunk & Hot Girls"?
I'm not going to rank them, but I think every song on the album except maybe "Good Morning" is wonderful.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
And "Good Morning" itself is fine, just not particularly exemplary.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha 13. drunk and hot girls i forgot about it. i like how kanye goes "a-ROUSED" but that's about it.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
"a-ROUSED" is from "I Wonder". "Drunk & Hot Girls" is actually probably one of my three favorite songs on the album. "Barry Bonds", too. Those two and "Can't Tell Me Nothing" form this great, dark, fucked-up mid-section.
― The Reverend, Friday, 14 December 2007 02:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
there's lots of good uk indie i've only heard of little of/forgot existed on that FACT list: cajun dance party, foals, wild beasts.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 14 December 2007 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
I have massive issues with Stronger. I thought the fun of the Daft Punk song was its structure. How the words get 'faster' and finally dissolve into that beautiful riff towards the end is one of my favorite moments in music. It begs and answers whether the words or the sounds are more important. To make it a rap song misses that. The Kanye version is a bunch of ill conceived couplets -the guy can't rap, he really can't- over a version of a song that, to my mind at least, has had the soul ripped out of it. Which is how I feel about most of his music. It also irks me when people sample from songs that are mostly samples which Kanye does more than once, pretty sure he uses Public Enemy in a couple of places. And the line "You can be my black Kate Moss tonight" also unsettles me for some reason. I don't think it's a race thing, it just, I don't know... very upper middle class and a little stupid, a lot like collaborating with Chris Martin.
So I don't like Kanye West and I don't find his music particularly compelling. I'm all about soul music and his samples are are often a little too obvious. 'Touch The Sky' is Curtis Mayfield's 'Move On Up', Gold Digger is 'I Got A Woman', My Way Home is 'Home Is Where the Hatred Is' by however many people covered that. If you are used to those songs you feel a little put out of place, like the musical equivalent of film's uncanny valley. I have a feeling a compilation of all the sampled songs would far better than any Kanye Album. Steely Dan, Michael Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Bill Withers, Stevie Wonder, Can, Luther Vandross, Chairmen of the Board, etc, etc. They are all fantastic and not particularly obscure masterpieces shoved aside so Kanye can rap something trite, slightly smug, very poorly written and not fighting anything but his own ego.
― Popture, Friday, 14 December 2007 03:37 (5 years ago) Permalink