BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

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harvey killed it at the bar i do my night at this past saturday night! the most crowded i've ever seen it, to... maybe 200 people in a bar with a absolutely maximum capacity of 125 going nuts all night long. it was a pleasure to see so many people having so much fun to a lot of the songs and artists mentioned all over this thread.

i told him that i had listened to those interviews he gave on the red bull music academy site and he said, "that's great!... and... weird." he also once (6 or so months ago) gave me my favorite response ever when i had asked what record he was playing, "hey, this is great! what is it?" "I don't fucking care!" and then he laughed maniacally. i was a little hurt at first but then i realized that he probably actually didn't care what it was and was telling me that i maybe shouldn't either.

o, monday morning.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah Jacobs, I know how you feel. The Steve Miller is also really good.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

telephone thing I would love you (even more than I already do obv.) if you could re-up the Rub'n'Tug. (And thanks for putting it there in the 1st place.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

uh ... how about a hi-res reup?

vahid (vahid), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Vahid: how high?

telephone thing, Monday, 30 January 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

256 VBR?

=)

vahid (vahid), Monday, 30 January 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Or as a .wav?

(Joke! I'm looking forward to hearing this!)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 January 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the Rub n' Tug mix the first time... but i missed where its from... any info/ tracklist?

grady, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I like Campfire more in theory than in practice :-(

The Flash & The Pan track is amazing though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I like it in practice more then theory!

I always thought that Flash and the Pan were boogie rock. Since they're AC/DC related I should have known that they were a disco band as well.

(Repost the mix and I'll give you some info! I really wanna hear it so am blackmailing you.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the Rub n' Tug mix the first time... but i missed where its from... any info/ tracklist?

It didn't come with a tracklist, sorry- the disc is a promo for aNYthing (http://www.anewyorkthing.com/) simply called "Rub 'n' Tug volume 1." There's almost no info at all on the packaging. I got it at Turntable Lab a couple of months ago, they might still have copies.

telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Also re-upping the mix right now as high-bitrate VBR- YSI takes a hell of a long time.

telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

the part on there that's like acid house with rapping over it is nuts .... I'm assuming that's an acappella layered over something else? anyone know? comes in at about the 12 min mark.

love the music on the mix but put me in the "all the mistakes are annoying" camp

Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"love the music on the mix but put me in the "all the mistakes are annoying" camp."

Love most of the music, but put me in the "I think a Doors song ruins any mix" camp.

grady, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

renard - dj cole medina aka house arrest - "buffalo bill"

http://www.submerge.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KSD-169&Category_Code=Kajmere

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks vahid!

so to those who've heard both .... is the aNYthing mix better / worse than the one on Eskimo?

Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

the aNYthing mix is more contemporary, and more smoothly-mixed. campfire is more revelatory - i'd only heard like two of the tracks before, as opposed to about 90% of the aNYthing mix.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Have y'all checked out Eric Duncan's (rub 'n tug) mix on beats in space?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm used to not having heard most of the stuff on DJ mixes so maybe the whole cratedigging aspect of Campfire is lost on me. The mixing does annoy me too (esp. the sudden drops and rises in volume, which isn't just annoying but potentially painful!). It is fun, but I just feel like I'd reach for a Glimmers mix or even one of those A Touch of Class online mixes more readily.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

can anyone up the harvey sarcastic mix?

grady, Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

give me a day or two ... in the meantime you can listen to it at the sarcastic website

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

beardo - bill withers, WAR, funkadelic, the temptations
not beardo - james brown, isaac hayes, curtis mayfield, marvin gaye, roy ayers, stevie wonder

beardo - led zeppelin, santana, late-era who, jimi hendrix
not beardo - early-era who, the animals, the kinks, velvet underground

beardo - roxanne shante
not beardo - salt'n'pepa

beardo - bohannon
not beardo - chic

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

has everybody seen this long piece on Daniele Baldelli and the beginnings of cosmic disco?

http://www.discopia.com/portal/issues/issue3/baldelli

theghostrobot (theghostrobot), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

grazie

blunt (blunt), Sunday, 5 February 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

new beardo-friendly NYC party alert:

Dazzle Ships
Jeremy Cambpell, Dan Selzer, Scott Zacharius
Monday 2/6
at Heathers, 506 e 13th st, near Ave A
starting at 8 o'clock
2 drinks for 1 till 9
2 dollar Tecate beer till 10.
bartending by the Drunken Sailor.

This is a one-off trial run, will hopefully do it more often. Small, nice bar, shitty sound, friendly like-minded bartender, early evening adventures in neo-Cosmic, pitch adjust abusing mood-setting. Slow disco, weird new wave, drunken ideas.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish somebody in SF was doing a night like that.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 6 February 2006 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

that sounds great, dan!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost, i know of a night that almost fits the bill. it's more disco than cosmic though moroder and his ilk get their dues.

beardo - roxanne shante
not beardo - salt'n'pepa

interesting...i pasted and italicized this fragment of your post because at first i was going to ask you to explain, but i think i get it now. both artists seem tangential to the conversation here at least, but there really is a world of difference between the two.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for that link theghostrobot. Enlightening.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

http://pitchforkmedia.com/features/weekly/06-02-06-space-disco.shtml

dom's mentioned thread is here.

Some nice stuff...but a bit confusing. These things already existed...Space Disco is a term that's been used since the 70s. And as I mention above, Cosmic is it's own thing, a specific scene and aesthethic, that claimed to be very anti-Italo disco. You mention cosmic disco, but not Cosmic. Dominique...are you presenting this suggesting that Space Disco is an umbrella terms for all these thing, or has it already entered the lexicon?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

pwned

=(

vahid (vahid), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).

so yes, it's confusing

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure it seems like I'm splitting hairs, but as a person who's used the term Space Disco for many years to mean a specific thing...you know. I mean, obv. most of what you discuss would fall under an umbrella term of Space Disco, but this wider, "beardo" aesthethic, that would include something like the idjits or whomever's bootlegging of TIna Turna doing Whole Lotta Love, or really the whole rock influence that we've discussed here...say Shakedown Street by the Dead or Disco Not Disco stuff, all very "beardo" but not Space Disco.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah - for the record, I'm pitching to add info about Cosmic to the piece now, so never let it be said that democracy doesn't work. as for beardo stuff, I tried to only list stuff in the primer that was space disco-y sounding (to my ears anyway), so hopefully people will get the idea if they seek out

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if you've seen this...but one of the last Alldisco parties was for halloween, where we chose "space" as our theme. It was interpreted liberally at points, strictly at others:

http://alldisco.net/playlistsaudio.shtml

here's what I played that night:

giorgio moroder - battlestar galactica
quartz - quartz
space project - conquest of the stars
cerrone - tripping on the moon
die doraus und die marinas - fred vom jupiter

erotic drum band - pop pop shoo wah
lipps inc. - funkytown
koto - japanese war games
man parrish - heatstroke
patrick cowley - get a little

casco - cybernetic love
cyber people - void vision
the parallax corporation - crocodiles in the sky
lime - angel eyes

duran duran - planet earth
telex - moskow diskow
vivien vee - remember
slick - space bass
lindstrom - i feel space
mr. flagio - take a chance
i-f - space invaders are smoking grass
gary numan - cars
jonzun crew - pack jam

tantra - hills of katmandu
x-ray connection - get ready (special freak mix)
kebekelektrik - magic fly
sylvester - stars
pluton and the humanoids - world invaders

model 500 - no ufo's
fingers inc. - distant planet
a guy called gerald - voodoo ray
isolee - my hi-matic

byrds - mr. spaceman

but check out the full list, the other djs are ok also.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dominique-

Nice article. Pointed me towards some stuff I didn't know about, made me re-think some stuff I already had, and reminded me about some stuff i've been meaning to pick up.

I just dropped way two much on the new Quiet Village and Otterman Empire. I guess its drop way too much now or WAY WAY WAY too much a year or two down the road. Anyone know where I can find the 1st Quiet Village? Is it a lost cause?

grady, Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).
so yes, it's confusing

-- Dominique (d_leon...), February 6th, 2006.

I'm going to go out on a wild limb here (not at all really) and suggest that maybe it's confusing because you are, in fact, confused about it yourself, because you basically mined this whole idea from Dan (who first pointed this out) and Vahid (who further developed the idea on this thread) and that's really lame, and definitely unethical.

Yes, the idea of beardo house is not something exclusively owned by anyone, as those individuals inclined to pay close attention to trends emerging in more general music genres will note new patterns all on their own, but your title shift from beardo house to "Space Disco" makes your alleged reporting highly suspect, because Space Disco is actually a term that has been used long before Lindstrom's day, and though posters on ILM can hardly make a claim to intellectual property rights, the fact is that you actually get paid for your articles (amount is irrelevant), so the fact that you published this work without at least offering to cite your sources seems both unfortunate and plagaristic.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, pitchfork asked me to write this before xmas, so I'd been collecting data since then. I will give Dan (and this thread) credit tho - lots of great ideas and info here. I was definitely inpsired to write more about "what came before" as a result of some of the links posted here. "space disco" is what I posted on the pfork staff board in october when I talked about this music, so I just kept it for the piece

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough I suppose.

ILM is a unique lab among the "for fun" internet forums, because while there's no doubt pretty much everyone on here is doing so for the love, it still none-the-less offers a goldmine of information from some highly credible sources (some known in larger circles as writers or musicians, some unknown but still brilliant writer/theorists in terms of music) and it would probably be a better idea for the writers on here to give credit where/when it's due.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

note to self: never write about dance music again

(note to Dan: I make fun of "beardo house" in pending L&PT review)

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

my only qualm was with conflating of terms. When you wrote above that you were writing about cosmic disco, I got the sense you were talking about cosmic disco=space disco, i.e. Cerrone or this Conquest of the Stars record I have, and I wasn't sure you were aware of this other thing called "Cosmic" that the dance dorks have been talking about for the last few years, which certainly crosses over, but has a decidedly different aesthethic. But like, what can I expect from a music writer who doesn't like Sonic Youth? Seriously man, I'd trade my entire dance music collection to be able to listen to Expressway to Yr. Skull forever and ever.

(note...just referencing an old debate/discussion for good fun...)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

there's one thing I didn't get from a Dan: a Sonic Youth mix

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

paid writers mining for ideas/info is the reason ILX exists, anyway. and dominique gets mad pts for digging up a bunch of stuff that wasn't mentioned on ILX at all, like ilya santana and releases on tirk + moodmusic ... my quibbles w/ the piece basically boil down to 1) i don't think viewlexx et al are on the same wavelength and 2) i wonder since maurice fulton clearly IS part of the freak-disco continuum, does the rest of the nuphonic stable make the cut?? (see fuzz against junk's insane cover of "born under punches", yellow sox (rocky + diesel) doing "flim flam", the arthur russell undercurrents of acts like fug and adam goldstone) ... actually, come to think of it, tirk is a sublabel of nuphonic!!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I posted the mix I posted about way upthread to the group blog just now, sound quality isn't the best, there's some nasty shit going on during the Greenman track for some reason, old minidisc maybe, but it's a nice little mix.

http://beatresearch.blogspot.com/

x-post I agree about viewlexx btw

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

let me make sure i have this right

space disco = super dramatic italo about spaceships and shit
cosmic = "kozmische" music

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

nuphonic went bust. tirk is a completely new label run by a former nuphonicer.

dan, if i do you a ten hour edit of 'expressway to yr skull' can i have yr disco collection?

space disco = super dramatic italo about spaceships and shit

except it doesn't have to be italo.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, if I do YOU an edit.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

cosmic ­ "kozmishe"

although Cosmic includes kozmische. Check out any of the threads on djhistory or the Daniel Baldelli interviews.

space disco = pre-dates italo and was a major influence on italo. Most early italo is space disco (i.e., Tarzan Boy is NOT!) but not all space disco is italo!

The thing about viewlexx is they come from a more strict techno/electro background. Their italo-revitalizing I think certainly opened some of these doors, I think. But by now, it's all golden, I-F's tastes certainly seem broad. But most of the Creme/Viewlexx etc stuff is pretty electro.

The joke is, stir, I don't need a ten hour edit of Expressway because I have Evol on vinyl and it ends on a glorious lock groove! Shame on the CD for including the cover of bubblegum at the end instead of just letting the song skip for the rest of the CD.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

ok "cosmic" has got me more confused than not. ridiculously eclectic, pitched-down afro space reggae disco?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

with new wave at the wrong speed and you've got it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link


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