thread of missing lamp :-/
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
lamp has been amazing on this thread, the top 10 was great & we need ppl who are able to talk about this lucidly who also have shit like final fantasy in their vocab
the tools used in the production recreate what the artists are trying to do emotionally: the impossible task of trying to recreate the past from these faded fragments << this appeals to me in part, but i don't really think chillwave is an honest attempt to regress or recover or recreate the past, so much as a play on the unbridgable gap to the past as a way of moving round the seeming impossibility of making something new.
certain cultivated arseholes have decried chillwave as uninspired & 'creatively bankrupt' & presumably do not feel the weight of the presence of the entirety of recorded music, tv, articles &c. making new meaning impossible because all moves have been made so many times - the end of rock through over-exposure. i guess whiney et al wld say the self-conscious chillwave babe starts w/ if not a tabula rasa then at least possible routes forward. same sentiment is not shared by say, DUCKTAILS, who instead phrases his predicament: "you look to find direction, but all you see is your reflection".
it's not a retrograde attempt to reach back so much as an engagement w/ the current, present afterimages that are left from what's gone before. bookshops are starting 'memory' sections atm, memory as opposed to history i guess, memory of the past as opposed to the reality of the past which is only one youtube away so whats the point in spending energy on that. the fact that it's the past isn't particularly relevant (there's no particular mental distinction between past&present) so much as the engagement with that collective conscious - it's the same w/ lil b chanting ellen degeneres or playing the x-men theme. it's all muffled and incomplete, which makes it a lot more pliable but it's still resonant and can suddenly connect unexpectedly.
so you sit in yr EAGLES WORLD TOUR 1994 cap and create yr own spectral mythology ala james ferraro or w/e
― ogmor, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
i get what yr saying and i agree w/ u to a large extent except for "the fact that it's the past isn't particularly relevant" I like the bit about nothing being written onto a tabula rasa. instead there is a landscape strewn with shards of pop culture. social networking sites where people communicate emotion via youtube clips from old tv shows. The present is stitched together from the discarded remnants of the past. its kinda like walter benjamin and the angelus novus, the trash heap of history.
I love lamps line abt "how hard it is to feel things." I feel like this taps into the core of chillwaves disconnection. It's emotional music about not feeling anything. Its is simultan. anesthetised and yearning for a romanticised *past*. When I say past though I don't necc. mean a personal history, but an *idea* of the past. It is both idealised as a moment where you could feel something (i feel like this is always lyrically clear in lyrical motifs like teenagers, highschool, beaches, summer camp even the idea of summer and its fleeting temporality) and also like you said a kind of common language that people speak through now.
its like that andy warhol line abt how emotions always seem more real in movies. This seems to me to be the source of chillwaves nostalgia: not for a time *before* teen movies and youtube but for the source of those ~feelings~; smthng we can only barely piece together now.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
the houses track that i recently posted has this line "when the colour starts fading in the video tape/ and the light burns holes in our eyes"
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
thinking a lot about the way difficult times bring out the sense of foreboding & anxiety & that what ogmor's talking abt - the obv techno-historical dead end, trying to reconcile the past/present through art - is there but i wonder too abt the 'animal spirit' of the times & if that makes it seem harder to find 'new' or worthwhile things to say or ways of saying
like theres a quote from miss lonelyheart's: "at college and perhaps for a year afterwards they had believed in literature, had believed in Beauty, and in personal expression as an absolute end. when they lost this belief they lost everything" which kinda haunts me & helps me see 'chillwave' as a determined attempt to avoid the bitterness & defeat of this - in an age pervasive w/ loss its looking for something to hold on to or a mode of ~being~ that reconciles now and then?
i mean i also wanted to start a new thread called 'none but nyarlathotep 2011' for this kind of music if only to escape the joke genre name but also because i was thinking abt lovecraft's "the past is real. it's all there is" and how that short story's vision of alienated modernity fit so tightly w/ the move from 'chillwave' to 'witchhouse' and the increasingly dark tones of the small subset of 'new music' that im concerned w/
― -Θ--Θ- (Lamp), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh also i got this tape on breakfast of champs by milochondria its called EARREADINGS that i really, really like but he doesnt have any youtubes but this track is p good:
i guess again its like echoes of monstrous machines whos nameless parts decay and convluse instead of a still photograph of girl on a beach, her head turned away but its p beautiful still
― -Θ--Θ- (Lamp), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
welcome backgood posts, everyone. Reading intently here.
who is ogmor? His name sounds like a misunderstood monster from a comic book.
I like that idea of the artist searching for a direction to take and only seeing mirrors. It makes sense. Everything I know about Benjamin I know from gaddis, and that was mind hurting stuff like if Glenn Gould wishes he were the Steinway to be closer to Bach, what does Bach do to be closer to Bach? Like to what degree is there a perfect Bach in the sheet music and the mechanisms of the piano and tape and mixing deck, and is there some equivalent that Bach himself was looking for, as if he could also remove himself from the equation (which reminds me of Stein's what are masterpieces). And if the realm of transcendence is for art then this makes a kind of sense, but I don't know.
I can't think of chillwave without thinking about cognitive development in children. I think specifically of the way we've lost oral culture and a lot of speech modes and replaced them with technologically assisted communications and commercial entertainment, while chemically people have processed the happy meals and bbs door games and shit the way people processed their oral culture - which seems what everyone has said but whatever. McLuhan says that global communications have brought in a new acoustic age so to him maybe it's like the indelible parts of digested pop and commercial culture are our folk culture and these musics are a natural way to celebrate and tell about them. See above whatever.
― bamcquern, Friday, 28 January 2011 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
i kindof like holding on to the chillwave name, i sortof like that it as a reclaimed pejorative i guess.
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like what bam is saying about "the way we've lost oral culture and a lot of speech modes and replaced them with technologically assisted communications and commercial entertainment" and it def seems like a kind of corollary to what i was trying to say. That is that pop culture has become folk culture in a way bc of how ppl have become disconnected from folk traditions via popular entertainment, cosmopolitanism etc. I think you can see this in some of the critical reception chillwave has gotten, ppl talking about musicians using their laptops like acoustic guitars and piecing together something primitive and quiet in their bedrooms that speaks to something private and traditional.
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
valuable thread, no joke
― omar little, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's a certain sensibility in this track by alpha that i feel fits in with this to some degree but certainly more along the lines of air's 'playground love' than most of the other music here
― omar little, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe stretching the definition with this and the last one, but this one as well, sort of that hazy jazzy nostalgia:
― omar little, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
generally speaking i like any kind of music which has elements in the sound which explicitly hint at some kind of longing for the past or the haunted past kind of creeping into the present. this isn't chillwave but it's part and parcel of that general sort of sound:
― omar little, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol that groove armada is great but it also embarrassingly tests the legitimacy of my attempts at a chillwave master narrative and
― plax (ico), Saturday, 29 January 2011 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
bam's post really has me thinking but its all still p messy. "a new acoustic age" made me think of this tho:
i think its a little too long & crammed w/ ideas to be really effective but the way he layers the track is p neat
― Lamp, Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
"if Glenn Gould wishes he were the Steinway to be closer to Bach, what does Bach do to be closer to Bach? Like to what degree is there a perfect Bach in the sheet music and the mechanisms of the piano and tape and mixing deck, and is there some equivalent that Bach himself was looking for, as if he could also remove himself from the equation"
do you mean in relation 2 their being some sort of built-in inevitable failure. like you have to admit that this kind of transcendence is impossible and in a way it becomes a kindof playing out of that inevitability or?
― plax (ico), Saturday, 29 January 2011 10:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey plax are you still around? have you listened to the ducktails 'killing the vibe' youtube? ive been listening to it a lot this month.
i came on this randomly while listening to drone songs on youtube (looking for a celer track for ilx i think). i like it a lot but it also an ex of how the 'curitorial' aspect of chillwave manages to reinterpret older sounds & modes w/in its own aesthetic
ive heard really good things abt the young athletes league ceremony ep but im not really sure what this is - its too menacing & plodding to really dance to - but i like the traxx control & echo
this is just p fantastic - weird proto-witch house (ugh) but the vocals on this cld be p effectively repurposed for a sweeter chillwave track i think
ok idk its winter im doing the best i can!!!!
― Lamp, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
plax I just saw your post but I addressed the issue of the impossibility (nonsense) of transcendence in my email. I think the resolution of the body removal problem is the actual mechanics of the piano/machine that you can touch and play with. It gives the artist a backdoor. It seems like I've created a problem that isn't there - I have and I admitted as much. But when I get depressed and my life seems completely joyless I start doing things like denying authorship and I think that's sort of what I was doing with Bach a year ago october, as if "Bach" were a functional, communally agreed on term that isn't where the preludes and fugues exactly come from. feel like shit
― bamcquern, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
although I do think there's a necessary obliteration of self in the creation of masterpieces.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
bam on another level
just cobbling together words & images like a semi-literate
― Lamp, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think you're being nice and not sarcastic. That Emily Reo tape wasn't good at all - not chillwave, more like guitar strumming and singing and a really annoyingly low recording level. Would make you a tape maybe but that's sort of ocd, because I had this prefab thing that turned out to be disappointing and so I feel I have to replace it with something but I know I don't.
I kind of want the tip of the tongue/nostalgia/hypnagogia aspect of this to collectively run its course and see a new sharp premodern music come to fore.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
this was directed @ myself & not you btw
i like the emily reo stuff ive heard particularly witch mtn pt. 2 and the built to spill cover linxd itt there is something protean abt her stuff, for good & for ill
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i havent really listened to anything beyond that built to spill cover but its really beautiful, glassy eyed transcendence via banal cliche. it sounds like it is full of secrets.
theres a load of things you guys are talking about that i want to digest and return to. idk. my brain is stalling these days. sometimes i just want to think about nothing at all.
― plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
i've been playing the hell out of the ducktails - killing the vibe youtube lately. going through a p chillwave phase of life these days; it's the depths of cold winter here & my girlfriend of 2 years & i broke up early jan & although i do feel the snow (now over a foot deep) is wondrous a lot of my life now consists of a vague grasping for better times. it's such a perfect song. going to go walk the dog & listen to the album now but i am prepared for dissapointment
― flopson, Thursday, 10 February 2011 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
ive been p into hips like cinderella's 'it's what ev' lately & was thinking abt that kinda of listless slacker good time vibe & how great indie pop was @ it. also that kinda of in-the-know deep cut lyric referencing seems almost outre now, or at least pointless. cue the smiths nods:
― Kabutt (Lamp), Friday, 18 February 2011 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
contrast that w/ stuff like the ssaliva track that runs down something and haunts the fuck out of it:
play it over the middle of this for added o_O:
― Kabutt (Lamp), Friday, 18 February 2011 05:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Lot more acoustic rather than the usual synth-heavy stuff.
― AWALL, Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
the theme song for the racoons is incredibly moving to me
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah its so fantastic. the cartoon itself is p great & has this strange melancholy sense of place those looming pines idk
have you/anyone heard the puro instinct (née pearl harbor) album? on 1st listen its really wonderful gossamer & chill & limpid w/o being too soft & inconsequential but im not sure how much i trust my own instincts here
― polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
not heard the album but the 2 x puro EPs have been p good
― racing up the fuck charts (electricsound), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
were you the person who lynxd LUV GOON itt? that was the track that made me care about them. i guess i could just search...
on my 2nd listen through i think this record is kinda special? kinda want 2 start a thread 4 it but itll just be ilm being tedious probably but im impressed w/ how well they sustain the atmosphere & concealing haze over every song. esp stuff like elongating the words in 'california shakedown' to meaninglessness making it just another layer just added texture to the songs empty wishing well guitars
― polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
could have been me, i dig that trk a lot
― racing up the fuck charts (electricsound), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
well your loyalties are divided btw digital and vinylbut im biding time til the cassingle revival
― WINNING. (Lamp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I buy new cassingles. The one I really like is Merchandisin'/Deluxe, though I usually feel ripped off.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i havent bought a cassette in awhile i think
i think this p dope - i like how trapped & cramped this is both formally & aesthetically it sorta plays on the woozy, inward intensity of new love
― WINNING. (Lamp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't really know from chillwave, but I think this video is cool!
― ℳℴℯ ❤＼(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't really understand why star slinger is getting lumped in with chillwave/indie stuff, sounds like straight-up rap beats. like southern 808 beats + early '00s kanye/just blaze-style sampling.
― adult music person (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha the very obv recycling of the early kanye style vocal sample is the most chillwave thing abt that track, maybe! also just the haze and the repeated vocals the way it plays with structure and pace (not the right word um) its full of chillwave/related signifiers also:
the teams vs star slinger record that that track is from is on mexican summer their videos nod @ pil's radio 4 (linked itt by plax lol) the stick w/ the whole faded polaroid blurred landscape aesthetic &c &c
― WINNING. (Lamp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
the label and video are just presentation/window dressing though. i like his tracks a lot, but i don't hear all that much haze or nostalgia factor. someone like matthewdavid has way more of that going on.
― adult music person (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
well if you buy into the idea of chillwave/whichhaus as a 'curatorial' genre than the 'window dressing' matters a lot. i mean obv part of how this stuff distingushes itself is by the way it connects the emotional content of the music w/ the aesthetic milieu it exists within & so although there arent strong sonic similarties btw every song itt they share a # of structural/formal/paramusical qualities: repetitions, reference, reflexivity &c &c
idk i mean the layering & echo & repetition in 'punch drink love' connects it p well to lots of other chillwave stuff even if the specific sonic palette mines different sources from say cool runnings
― WINNING. (Lamp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
a) even if you 'don't buy' my assertion that teams vs star slinger belongs in the chillwave thread there isnt really anywhere else to put it b) its a rad track imo & i regret sleeping on last year's EP c) 'say please' is probably an even tighter jam but i lynx too much
― WINNING. (Lamp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
a) even if you 'don't buy' my assertion that teams vs star slinger belongs in the chillwave thread there isnt really anywhere else to put it
what! instrumental beat- and sample-based music (or whatever you want to call it) a pretty big tent right now, and to me this could easily fit alongside gold panda and various brainfeeder stuff.
― adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
i meant 'put it' in the sense of a place to post videos & discuss the song on ilm i.e. ppl posting gold panda videos itt also
also lol @ 'lumped in' i guess, contra ilm, this is a place where mentioning a song along side 'chillwave/indie' is not some kind of aspersion but a compliment
― F♯ A♯, Red♯ Blue♯ (Lamp), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
even tho chillwave is mostly abt 80's vibes/samples, the 50's (60's?) sample in punch drunk love works just as well employed to the same effect. like, music played at a skating rink or at a thrift store lol
― flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
well part of what i think is rad is that theres the effect of the sample itself - the sound, the sentiment it conveys - but it also gets framed again by so obviously referencing kanye its kinda like what plax talks about where the intent isnt just to reference something 80s but also contextualize it & talk about its delivery &c &c. so instead of nodding at vhs or tv broadcasts theyre referencing early 00s hip hop, acknowledging the layers of media that surrond and influence things/creating distance e.g. "revelling in the gap between you & yr muse&content," or as plax indicates the "tools used in the production recreate what the artists are trying to do emotionally: the impossible task of trying to recreate the past from these faded fragments"
i mean i think its a really beautiful song but part of why it appeals to me aside from its formal qualities is the way it uses these techniques common to chillwave trax to also comment on the emotional purpose of the song, to recreate for the listener the emotional context theyre interested in
― F♯ A♯, Red♯ Blue♯ (Lamp), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
spring is happening
― Lamp, Sunday, 6 March 2011 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
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― plax (ico), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
missed u arouned here l8ly, hope london is treating you well...
every moment repeats itself endlessly, but nothing lasts 4ever
― Lamp, Friday, 11 March 2011 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i guess thats a sort of lazy binary, trading in pseudo profundity, but i still think that tension is really interesting, really complicating. in one of the lucksmith songs i linked he sings about "the days ive thrown away & the hours i am keeping" & i think thats an important dichotomy btw seeing time as endless & unvarying and yet feeling overwhelmed by impermanence, by the weight of time passing. again the present is this listless expanse like the sunny july day @ the water in that julia kent piece, but the past & future are lurking...
― Lamp, Friday, 11 March 2011 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
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