TS: Depeche Mode vs. New Order vs. Pet Shop Boys

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New Order is a "synth pop band"?

THIS POLL IS FUCKING ABOUT SYNTH POP:

I've always seen these guys as the 3 giants of synth-pop

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Which is why I didn't vote for them!!! I love New Order, but while they're great at many things (post-punk/dance) they're not a synth pop band!!!

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Can someone please tell me how Depeche Mode ripped off New Order? I'd really love to know!

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think maybe this forum should be called "i love questionable music more than depeche mode". stupidest poll results ever.

pipecock, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Which is why I didn't vote for them!!! I love New Order, but while they're great at many things (post-punk/dance) they're not a synth pop band!!!

Yes.Can someone please tell me how Depeche Mode ripped off New Order? I'd really love to know

Once in a while Martin Gore plays twang guitar.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whoops, for some reason I mixed NO and DM there!

-- Tuomas, Sunday, 4 November 2007 23:46 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I eagerly await Blue Monday - Tuomas mix

Mark G, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Just seen the results! I didn't know DM got so much love here! I thought it was just Geir plus one!

Mark G, Monday, 5 November 2007 01:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think maybe this forum should be called "i love questionable music more than depeche mode". stupidest poll results ever

calm down, dear, it's only a poll.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 13:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

(also: much roffling at "questionable music". what, is everything that isn't pure DM "degenerate art" or something?)

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 13:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

justice was done.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 5 November 2007 13:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've always seen these guys as the 3 giants of synth-pop

only just noticed this wtfness.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 5 November 2007 13:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

They bestride the land, like colossi of the Roland.

Neil S, Monday, 5 November 2007 13:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

"(also: much roffling at "questionable music". what, is everything that isn't pure DM "degenerate art" or something?)"

i mean, DM are definitely one of my favorite artists, i own more records by them than by any other artist except theo parrish, "violator" is one of my all time favorite albums and has been for many many years. but i dont hold them as anything more than fantastic musicians. New Order are definitely awesome too. but really, the Pet Shop Boys? come on, now. they were not bad but they shouldnt even be in a discussion with depeche mode.

pipecock, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why not?

Neil S, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

any winner in this poll is the right winner

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost to pipecock: guess what? i disagree. and hey, they are, and have been for several hundred posts.

next up: a discussion involving depeche mode, dumpy's rusty nuts and dom's spunk, spread on a boot. because, hey, that's the joy of ILM, as opposed to -- say -- monomaniacal DM fans' private DM-only DM discussion board (DM).

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

grimly otm. Just because you disagree with the poll results, you shouldn't start saying "the poll is illegitimate".

Neil S, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

sorry, i don't see what's so WTF about calling new order a synth pop band. a lot of their music (sure, not all), even their best known stuff, could be described that way

Mark Clemente, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

xposts

Mark Clemente, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

yep, it was a generalization guys; sorry to get yr panties in a wad

stephen, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

any winner in this poll is the right winner

This is completely correct. The only thing I dislike about this poll is the outright/implied hatred expressed towards Depeche Mode. I understand why some people want to leave their mopey teen years behind but DM expresses so much of that angst so well and in a manner far more adult than it should be expressed that I don't understand how people don't enjoy them. (I also don't understand how people can hate the singing, especially from Violator onwards, but that's a completely different thing.)

HI DERE, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

"xpost to pipecock: guess what? i disagree. and hey, they are, and have been for several hundred posts.

next up: a discussion involving depeche mode, dumpy's rusty nuts and dom's spunk, spread on a boot. because, hey, that's the joy of ILM, as opposed to -- say -- monomaniacal DM fans' private DM-only DM discussion board (DM)."

again, i do not put DM up on a pedestal or anything like that. but comparing them to PSB is like comparing John Coltrane to Kenny G. sure theyre both jazz sax players, but to compare them in any way is pretty stupid.

pipecock, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

so which one is Kenny G, o enlightened one?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

but to compare them in any way is pretty stupid

i) ever heard of objectivity?

ii) ever heard of criticism?

iii) ever heard of internet message boards?

iv) ever thought that calling everyone else "stupid" repeatedly might make you look ... well, you can work it out for yourself?

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

pipecock: He's not a pipe.

HI DERE, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

dan OTM!!! i cant figure out why you all hate depeche mode... and i got into these guys at age 21, just last year, so its not as though i love em for the "mope"--theyre just really fucking terrific songwriters

max, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

i actually don't think there's very much mode hate here at all, is there?

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't hate them, i just lose interest in everything they did past a certain point. likewise new order and pet shop boys!

impudent harlot, Monday, 5 November 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

"so which one is Kenny G, o enlightened one?

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn"

come on now, surely you can tell by my posts....

"i) ever heard of objectivity?

ii) ever heard of criticism?

iii) ever heard of internet message boards?

iv) ever thought that calling everyone else "stupid" repeatedly might make you look ... well, you can work it out for yourself?

-- grimly fiendish"

i am not concerned with how i look to people. i truly dont give a fuck what you think about me. anyway, as i was saying, you can compare things all you want, but it doesnt make the comparison make any real sense. what really are the similarities between the PSB and DM? they both used synths and were around in the early 80s and were british. what else? i can think of so much music that fits into those categories, does that mean it all should be compared? in feeling and in quality, DM and PSB are not peers. one is a joke, one is not.

pipecock, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

right, i give up. you clearly have the cognitive skills of a whelk.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love Depeche Mode but I kind of hate Depeche Mode fans.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 03:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

i love music but i kind of hate music fans.

stephen, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 03:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

"right, i give up. you clearly have the cognitive skills of a whelk.

-- grimly fiendish"

youre so superior to me beacuse you use $.50 words. congratulations, dood! you rule! have fun listening to the pet shop boys.

pipecock, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 04:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tears For Fears >>>>>> Depeche Mode

oops.

Tape Store, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 04:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is pipecock 15-years-old?

JN$OT, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 09:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Probably 45.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 13:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

And very very lonely.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 14:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sundar, you don't like New Order? wow... it's like i don't even know you!

i missed voting, but it would have been DM, NO, almost neck and neck for a while, but at the end, DM takes it easily when i think about which has affected me most. PSB distant 3rd. if the Cure had been in this poll also, they would have been riding right on NO's ass.

Kim, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Just to annoy the goth even more, I venture that:

New Order > PSB > Human League > Depeche Mode

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

That's how I'd order those bands, FWIW.

Neil S, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

I guess Erasure could have been another option, but they'd probably have come a distant fourth.

xpost bah pshaw. Human League don't have the career longevity.

ledge, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

we need a similar poll involving the cure.

xpost: which version of the human league?

NO > DM > dare-era human league > PSBs > human league post-dare

human league mk I >>> almost everything else in the world. new order being one of the exceptions, mind.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

(i know, i know: we didn't break down NO or DM into versions either. but with the HL there's a spectacular and staggering divide, along the lines of JD/NO, so i think it's valid.)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

(in fact: dare-era HL are more different to pre-dare HL than JD are to early NO.)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

(i'll stop now.)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

(A likely story!)

HI DERE, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love New Order, PSB, Depeche Mode, Human League, and Erasure and I don't care how you order them.

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

I thought we'd established that liking Depeche Mode is an American thing?

Tom D., Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Or non-British at any rate

Tom D., Tuesday, 6 November 2007 16:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

no, we hadn't. because it isn't.

that said: it is less "cool" to like DM in the UK than it is ... well, almost anywhere else. funny ... i was pondering this (no, really) in the gym this morning, listening to "playing the angel". i read somewhere, ages ago, that the reason for this was martin gore looking like such a knobber in his leather vest etc, but i can't believe this is the case.

hey ho. i've always loved 'em. in 1991 i had a massive poster of them (circa some great reward) on my bedroom wall. my friend shumon, probably the coolest man i've ever known, always thought they were cool. so i've been out and proud about them for years ;)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:26 (6 years ago) Permalink


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