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deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok i will explain it to you all but you wont like it - its cause its frivolous - basically in the history of 21st century popular culture at some point people thought o i want to have fun and and thats cool cause who doesnt want to have fun - but then they forgot why they wanted to have fun in the first place - that is basically what happened

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Now I'm really confused.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm with yah on the frivolity thing, but when has dance music not been frivolous?

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

all u need to know is that joe is the kind of dude what has "theories" and he has some sort of "theory" about like pop culture and all u really need to do is just sort of nod and type "otm" and ignore him

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

watch how i do it

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok i will explain it to you all but you wont like it - its cause its frivolous - basically in the history of 21st century popular culture at some point people thought o i want to have fun and and thats cool cause who doesnt want to have fun - but then they forgot why they wanted to have fun in the first place - that is basically what happened

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:04 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

just nod along to the beat-theory son

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I'm a little drunk now. I get all serious when I'm drunk.

I co-sign entire thread. OTM

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

btw im watching this awesome show on fox where rich people go undercover in poor communities then pick a favorite from their new friends and give them a bunch of money

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

the secret millionaire? i saw the promos for that is it good??

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

alleviating wealth-guilt one night in front of the idiot box @ a time

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

this really well intentioned clueless fast food chain owning couple is on - im starting to feel bad for them

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahah they just spent $90 of the $107 dollars they have for the week on groceries

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol the dude is worried that people are going to recognize him from his fabulously famous chicken finger chain

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

people seem to be totally aware that these millionaires want to give them money

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

im watching house and considering adding the young doctor chick to the would smash thread

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah house is pretty sexy no homo

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

omg i had to change the channel cause the giving away the money part was too embarrassing and now theres some show w/celebrities in africa feeling bad and giving away money - is this what tv is gonna be like during the new great depression - this sux

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

i kind of love it, because the fantasy goes either way--like, i can be the poor people receiving all the money or the rich people being all generous and going to heaven

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah house is pretty sexy no homo

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:31 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bloghouse md

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

all these corny fukrs being all omg this has changed me so much - talk abt ignorant fools ffs

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

like wtf is wrong w/these people that they srsly dont know that the world is largely populated w/dirt poor people

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 03:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

this stuff seems pretty prevalent in melbourne, but it has different permutations depending on the crowd. fidget and crookers-type stuff gets play among the melbourne electrohouse cottage industry (that stuff we were all calling haircut house on that one thread ages ago) along with local productions, ed banger and simian mobile disco-type stuff. that's a fairly 'mainstream clubber' crowd. the b'more-juke-diplo stuff tends to have the 'ghetto' aspect played up on flyers and seems to attract lapsed indie kids and the readership of vice magazine. (who are white btw.)

fela cooties (haitch), Thursday, 4 December 2008 03:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol that crookers remix song got an official vid

and kid cudi is mad about it getting released - otm i think, shitty video

KiD CuDi says:

SEE, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I HATE THIS INDUSTRY….MUTHAFUCKAS GET CONTROL OVER YA MUSIC AND YA IMAGE AND DO WUTEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT TO DO WIT IT….THIS CROOKERS VIDEO WAS NOT APPROVED BY ANYONE ON MY TEAM….WE JUS EXPRESSED TO THE PEOPLE WHO SHOT THE VIDEO AND TOL THEM WE DIDNT LIKE IT AND WANTED TO TRY SUTTIN DIFF, NEXT THING U KNO WITHIN HOURS ITS ALLLLLLL OVER THE FUCKIN INTERNET….NOW, SUTTIN SEEMS FISHY HERE…..ID B WRONG TO START PUNCHIN MUTHAFUCKAS IN THE JAW BONE (AND IM REALLLLY NOT A VIOLENT PERSON, I HATE VIOLENCE ACTUALLY) BUT DATS HONESTLY HOW I FEEL RITE NOW….PEOPLE R TAKIN SUTTIN I CREATED, SUTTIN DATS SPECIAL TO ME AND PUTTIN IT OUT CUZ THEY WANT TO….MUTHAFUCKAS R SIGNIN OFF ON SHIT AND NOT LETTIN ME KNO ABOUT IT….IM WRITIN AND SAYIN ALL DIS SHIT SO YALL CAN REALLLLLY SEE HOW SHADY THIS GAME IS, LIKE 4REAL 4REAL, NIGGAZ JUS WANT TO USE U AS A PUPPET….AND DATS HOW I FEEL RITE NOW, LIKE A FUCKIN PUPPET….IAM SOOOO BEYOND UPSET THERES NO WORD TO DESCRIBE HOW I FEEL AT THE MOMENT…IM ALL THE WAY IN AUSTRALIA AND CANT DO SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING BUT I ASK EVERYONE ON EVERY BLOG, IF U SUPPORT ME AND ARE A TRUE KID CUDI FAN IAM ASKIN THAT IF U POSTED THIS VIDEO TO PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN…BY POSTIN IT UR LETTIN THESE SNAKE MUTHAFUCKAS WIN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A ARTIST U GUYS ALL FEEL….I REPEAT, IF U REALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ME AND MY MOVEMENT THEN PLEASE TAKE THE VIDEO POST DOWN…IF I SEE IT ON YA BLOG THEN I KNO U MUST JUS B THIRSTY FOR HITS OR SUTTIN AND NEED THE ATTENTION AND I WONT EVER SUPPORT YA SHIT AT THIS POINT AFTER READIN MY WORDS I DONT CARE WUT ANYBODY MAY THINK ABOUT HOW IM REACTING…IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THEN OH WELL, BUT IMAGINE SOMEONE TAKING SOME SHIT U WORKED HARD TO CREATE, SUTTIN FROM UR HEART DAT U MADE AND MANIPULATING IT THE WAY THEY SEE FIT CUZ SOMEONE (NOT ANYONE ON YA TEAM) SIGNED OFF ON SOME PAPER WITHOUT UR CONSENT AND GAVE DAT RIGHT TO THEM…SHIT IS FUCKED UP YO AND I SWEAR I GOT MY LAWYER ON DECK
OR WUTEVER SO ITS FINNA GO DOWN AS WE SPEAK…. LIKE THE LOX SAID ON A SKIT FEATURED ON WE ARE THE STREETS “NO MATTER WUT U DO, U CANT ESCAPE THE RAPE” MAN, I WANNA PUNCH SOMEONE RIGHT NOW….I WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE TAKE THE POST DOWN YALL.

PEACE FURIOUS.
CUDI
P.S. IT WAS NOT SEMTEX DAT LEAKED THE VIDEO FYI SIDEBAR EVEN THO IT MAY SEEM THAT WAY

Boi.

Peace, Love & KiD CuDi

i still like the o.g. version of the song wayyyy more than that remix

deej, Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

is hee playin wii

ice cr?m, Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

the more i think about it the more i think max's post about middle school dances making americans dancing only to music 'they know' is otm about this stuff -- its like dudes dont actually think about dance music on any level beyond 'catchy melody people will want to know' and then just add generic dancing signifiers i.e. big kick drum, b-more break, grinding synth riff, and hope for the best -- theres like no internal logic to the structure of the song

deej, Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right

ice cr?m, Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lets do a compare and contrast.

There's the good:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=103329400

Fidget/UK Garage from Manchester

and there's the bad:

http://www.myspace.com/thebloodybeetroots

Shit from Italy that combines the more obnoxious qualities of Crookers and MSTRKRFT.

DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol i like this crookers rmx now ^___^

deej, Sunday, 7 December 2008 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

at least until i hear a better rmx --- seriously gr8 melody for a dance jam

deej, Sunday, 7 December 2008 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahahahaaah after all that protesting

THE KRAMPUS (The Reverend), Sunday, 7 December 2008 12:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

this kind of music still blows tho

deej, Sunday, 7 December 2008 12:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i hate it but i like it basically

♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Sunday, 7 December 2008 14:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

how i break it down 2 an extent

♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Sunday, 7 December 2008 14:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Sunday, 7 December 2008 14:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

nah i just like the melody. this remix can fuck itself

deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 02:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

was it the moon goons?

― as a dude (goole), Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:10 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mpls LOLZ

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 8 December 2008 03:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah

goole, Monday, 8 December 2008 05:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

good thread

Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Monday, 8 December 2008 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

did you want a serious answer?
Ever since reading Energry Flash/Generation Ecstasy a decade ago I have tried to test my reactions to something I find cheesy. His book really opened me up to rave and to all of the gloriously demented breakbeat-and-piano tunes of 1991 and all that followed (though I already liked DnB). I figured that since that awakening, I would be able to be more open to music like this. After all, it does combine crowd-pleasing beats, weird noises and obvious pop hooks. But I can't get into it. I am trying to figure out the reasons and here are a few things I have come up with:
1. Reynolds' most important point about circa-2001 electroclash is that it took club culture all the way back to before ecstasy, to before house, techno, and rave. In fact, the music, at least that which was not coming out of certain sectors (Detroit and The Hague) seemed to try and revive and or amplify that few-year period between disco and post-punk and then house and techno where there was little to no explicit sense of politics in dance music. Anyone, who, like me, has taken a more typical course through dance music, and got into it before the turn of the century, has, at some place in their heart, some sense that dance music does mean or did mean something. The first gen. electroclash artists had this feeling too, I think which is why Miss Kittin and Dopplereffekt and Clone records don't have shit to do with this current scene even if they helped to usher in the 80s revival sonics it partially depends on.
2. Drugs are important. too. Even though cocaine was prevalent in disco, at least in the underground, I get the impression that its value was as a way to stay up all night, whereas I feel like the use of cocaine since electroclash has more to do with the ego-boosting capabilities, and that music bore it out, with all of those haughty, dominating vocals that were worlds away from David Gahan crying over Martin Gore's spilled milk. Obviously, 1985-2000 in dance music was all about E, LSD, mushrooms and weed. And utopia.
3. I wish I could explain this better but I think there is a difference between enacted postmodernity and lived postmodernity. Modernism had collage in which all the parts added up to some unified whole, and postmodernity has pastiche, in which the contrasts and interplay are "the message". But I think someone like Beck had some critical distance, was choosing to make postmodern art, and had the sense of what contrasts would be playful or amusing (and I don't even really like his music). So he enacted the postmodern. Whereas I think with this music it just is. There is no real sense of interesting play, just people who can not achieve any sort of interesting critical distance from a lifetime of constantly flipping channels.
4. I think a lot of the major figures in this scene like M.I.A., James Murphy, etc., are more intelligent than what I just described. And you do have to include DFA with all of this.
5. Baudrillard said something to the effect of "retro demythologizes the past" and therefore takes away any power or mystery it had. That process has been going on for a while now and here are the results. It makes sense that the music itself is engineered to be flat because the music itself is all of history running into a brick wall. At best, this is just a fad. At worst, these records are examples of timeless music as an inverse value. The music belongs to nothing and nowhere.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

most people i know (that aren't half retarded) are pretty over "bangers brah". it still gets played in most chicago clubs yeah, but who wants to go to a chicago club anyway? debonair? srsly?
this kind of music is played almost exclusively by laptop/serato djs. why? because its easy.

sam york, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

fascinating perspective sam york. this phenomenon doesnt matter bcuz you are too cool for it, good 2 know

deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

, but who wants to go to a chicago club anyway?

people who live in chicago???

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Monday, 8 December 2008 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

hay Shh! thnx for the serious answer! im not sure i agree with you about all that tho -- i dont think 70s coke use was any more righteous than it is now or something for example -- coke use wasnt part of some disco dancer self-discipline in order to stay up all nite i mean. i have to think more about the rest

deej, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

well think about it. what is the reason there are so many dj's all of the sudden?
a. laptops
b. this kind of music

sam york, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

no not righteous but i guess i was thinking about the drug difference between coke and e and then I was thinking, well, it makes sense for 1985 on but what about disco? i wasn't around for disco proper but i have a lot of those records, and, they don't sound anything like electroclash orblog house and i dont mean in terms of synths. there was a different spirit in disco, so i guess i was trying to make that contrast by pointing out the difference in attitude between singers ad lyrics even though i didnt explicitly mention the more communal and loving vibe of salsoul.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

the difference in attitude, if it exists, is probably more attributable to political context and the cultural positions of the producers of the music than it is to the drugs

beyonc'e (max), Monday, 8 December 2008 19:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

yes. i meant exactly that but am writing backwards it seems.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

i a sick and my brain is not working very well but i have some friends who are into this music and i wonder about it a lot so i thought i would wager a guess. maybe tomorrow i can explain myself better.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:10 (5 years ago) Permalink


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