no the recession was released here, but the label didn't bother telling the pr - she only realised when she looked on amazon and found it had been there for a fortnight
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
"80s funk house disco" radio suggests Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers!
― ailsa, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
> Four MB albums, Deano
thanks. we don't have any, amazon.co.uk mp3 store has scratch n stitch and a couple of tracks from compilations, emusic had a lot... all these people seem to be getting their info from the same places though, they all make the same mistakes (search for broadcast on amazon - details are about duophonic / warp broadcast but the listed albums aren't)
― koogs, Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
One detail I like: when it gets to the end of what I've queued up, it just continues with the current album without me needing to ask it to. (I suppose I can see how someone might not like this, though.)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 19:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
Finally got round to sorting scrobbling for this (there's a windows messenger box ticked by default in the last.fm client that somehow stops Scrobblify from working). So far I'm really liking Spotify - handy for hearng stuff you randomly think on that you haven't got in your library or for legal trying before you buy. The adverts don't annoy me in the slightest.
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
fails Boredoms test :(
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
anyone got a spotfiy INVITE?
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
If not, try the "oooh ask me please!" option on the website ("Get started" -> email in "Not invited?" field). Took about five days for me, was surprised to get it at all actually.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
jordan, webmail me an email address to send an invite to.
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
didn't get asked for an invite here, just got straight in
― stet, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
This is amazing! You type in what you want to listen to, and then you are listening to it. all this needs is to work on an iphone, and then i'll buy an iphone, and then i will have achieved bliss.
― Slumpman, Sunday, 7 December 2008 12:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
Mine appears to have made it through an album without giving me any adverts. Maybe they've bumped me up to a pro account without realising it.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 14 December 2008 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
you can now scrobble to last.fm from within spotify (it's in 'preferences')
― braveclub, Sunday, 21 December 2008 12:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
That's handy, saves me running that scrobblify thing at the same time.
Spotify lists 'The Prodigy' as 'Prodigy' and makes last.fm think this guy sings Smack My Bitch Up and Out of Space
― dj onimotian (onimo), Sunday, 21 December 2008 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
can someone please send me an invite?
― kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
Think there's still a waiting list though.
<3 this service btw.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
Got in straight away with the link I posted.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
Aha they've obviously opened it up!
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
Downside is loads more ads (I've heard two during the same album), but you can hear them coming after a while and tune out. Still great.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.
― kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
If i hear gareth jones from cardiff reciting pi again i'll scream
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
And I'm not buying that White Lies record either.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
At least it doesn't scrobble the adverts
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
jonathan from spotify sounds remarkably like Michael Vaughan
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
wtf 2 adverts in a row (the 2nd was for that White Lies album)
See what I mean about them? The Killers meet Editors big wowz!
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
can i get a spotify invite
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.Please!― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmarkcan i get a spotify invite― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
Have any of you actually tried the link posted? Quite a few of my friends in the UK have used the link and joined today. Maybe it doesn't work in other countries...
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm in the US and that link asks for one of two things:
1)an invite code
2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"
I wonder what their excuse is. Don't they want more people to hear their stupid ads?
― I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
is it UK only?
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
mr bimble check your email
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
It's odd and a fucking pain how Spotify often doesn't specify that tracks are remixes in any way.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
i'm in the US and unless something changed in the last few days, we can't use spotify and all the workarounds have been blocked
― miss precious perfect (musically), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
I selected this a couple of weeks ago, and got an invite from them within the same day. May not be the case now, of course.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 23 January 2009 06:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/ gets you straight in without an invite.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 07:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
I went in on that link above, no trouble at all. I'm in the UK tho - maybe there's a problem with the US, I dunno.
It's awesome, btw. Nearest thing to the "universal jukebox" I've seen for a long time.
― NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
I think it's staggering. At least 95% of my track/artist searches to date have returned results. And I like the concept of shared playlists.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Spotify Premium is available in Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Spain and the UK. The Free version is only available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.
It amuses me to see the adverts briefly appear in last.fm (and permanently in your Spotify history).
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
This is impressive. There's a lot more weird, small stuff on than I thought there would be, thopugh also mystifying gaps too.
Someone should set up a shared ILX playlist for Jan (then we can move to Feb etc to stop it getting unwieldy). I'll do it tonight if no-one else does.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Excellent idea. I was thinking of doing one for the Pazz & Jop Top 50 singles, and maybe the Rocktimists poll tracks as well. But it'll have to wait until tonight.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
Gaps spotted so far: no King Crimson, very little UK Funky, no Aeroplane mix of Grace Jones "Williams Blood" (although their mix of Friendly Fires "Paris" is on there). Remixes are generally well represented, though.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
Remixes are generally well represented, though.
But not always listed as remixes, I've found. And they don't scrobble as remixes (sorry, I'll take that to the last.fm thread)
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
I also like the non-bloatiness: the software was running at around 14,000k on my home PC last night - so I could close iTunes for once, and benefit from the faster performance.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
I hope this thing a) goes global so the US can use it b) they make a mobile/iphone app c) ushers in a new era of music use.
I confidently predict big 4 will put a stop to it.
― NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
All the majors have signed up in europe, though. I suppose it's whether the US ones are far-sighted enough.
It's also notable that most of the big digital music holdout bands aren't represented- no Beatles, Metallica, AC/DC.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
Every Stones album is there though, yay!
Another thing I've noticed is that the service avoids any queueing problems, as you occasionally get on, say, last.fm.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Last.fm is screwed unless they can come up with something as wide ranging as this.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 10:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
The DJ Khaled selection is spotty and Denim aren't on there either.
I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on. If you pick someone like The Sweet it takes about 5 mins to scroll through them all.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
ok now you've read half what i wrote. i never said random luck never hits obscure bands. i'm just questioning why a band who does so little to engage the internet would then go hog wild to promote the company that did them a solid. yahoo got you some cash - did you start a tumblr to write a long article about how yahoo is the future and that people hating on yahoo are fools and then get it reposted to wire?
fyi all insider info i'm flexing here can be found by reading the article and googling "moke hill"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:39 (Yesterday) Permalink
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:40 (Yesterday) Permalink
also said article never mentions being singled out by spotify - would your "hooray for yahoo" article have not mentioned they made it "pick of the day"?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:41 (Yesterday) Permalink
just a sweet innocent band of industry vets who barely acknowledge the internet until spotify gives them 900 bucks at which point they write a long article with pie charts about how the future looks bright
― da croupier, Wednesday, November 26, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, that's what I said. If I was used to making $0 and then I made $900 I would think the future looks bright. And if I could get my song embedded in a Wired article then I would still think my future looks bright.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:42 (Yesterday) Permalink
personally i don't think industry vets who get rapturous about making 900 bucks over a year should get to call themselves industry vets
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:45 (Yesterday) Permalink
shit i don't think you even have to be an industry vet to question whether that 900 bucks is oil bubbling up from jed's land, just an adult
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:47 (Yesterday) Permalink
I don't think it's a stretch to say that the band started doing PR in earnest. (the wired article says "no PR," but "several years on the business side of the industry" is plausibly enough to know the right people and get emails opened.) "in earnest" apparently included placement on a Spotify playlist, for whatever reason. maybe it was an email some playlist guy opened, maybe it was a sponsored deal, maybe it was a longtime fan who just happened to land at spotify. the point is, this is very unremarkably how things work, and the Wired piece not mentioning the exact playlist is not proof of some massive conspiracy.
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:46 (10 hours ago) Permalink
you gotta wonder why i've bothered repeatedly noting I'm not saying there's necessarily a massive conspiracy
but you also gotta wonder led by someone who writes shit like
Rather than fighting, I believe the industry should embrace the change that’s coming (or more accurately, the change that has already arrived). Technological advances have made mobile access to millions of songs a reality – this is a great thing for music fans. Subscribers paying for the mobile version of Spotify in the US are spending ~$120 per year on the service – well above (almost 5x by some reports) what the average music listener spends on music per year. More people spending more money on recorded music (since Spotify’s total revenue increases with each new user) leads to bigger payouts for artists, writers, labels and publishing companies alike.
As for Moke Hill, we’ve spent next to nothing to get our songs on Spotify and it has exposed us to tens of thousands of people around the world who never would have heard our music otherwise. Spotify is not only paying us, but building our fan base while paying us, which will eventually make it easier to sell tickets to shows.
wouldn't manage to capitalize off their fluke hit beyond having a whopping 246 followers on spotify. ffs brokencyde has over 22,000.
you also might wonder why this person has seemingly never posted an article before on the internet.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:52 (10 hours ago) Permalink
hell even a paragraph of text
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:54 (10 hours ago) Permalink
woops, meant to say "gotta wonder why a band led by someone..."
forgive me if it seems like these guys are exceptionally verbose and grateful for 900 bucks
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:57 (10 hours ago) Permalink
"I purchased Dr. Dre's Tha Chronic like 7 times, turns out my dad was throwing it out every time he saw it laying around."
Solid argument for streaming in the comments.
― doesn’t matter what the content is, as long as it’s content (onimo), Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:02 (10 hours ago) Permalink
you don't think having your band at the center of a wired article is "capitalizing"? (and when I said it did more for them than spotify, what I meant was the odds of someone saying "wow, spotify isn't so bad after all, my mind has been swayed by this one band" or "wow, I have never heard of this large, ubiquitous company even though I read WIRED," I'm going to check it out" are exponentially smaller than the odds of someone saying "wow, I like this band, I'm going to check them out."
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:07 (10 hours ago) Permalink
katherine if a band who posts single sentences on social media once every two months suddenly were driven to write multiple paragraphs of pro-spotify statistics and anti-taylor swift/aloe blacc talking points because they got 900 bucks and a follower count that's a fifth of what some rock critics have, and the reason was that they wanted to get that WIRED crowd onto the Moke Hill train...these guys have to be pretty dumb fucks.
what's funny the usual dumb fuck musician in the same situation could have easily posted on facebook "spotify randomly put us in a playlist, and suddenly one of our songs had 300,000k streams instead of 5,000. pretty sweet right? actually, we've just gotten 900 bucks. sure, that was nice but it barely put us on the map otherwise. it doesn't seem we got much in the way of publicity." at which point people would note they probably suck and could stand to get off their ass and not expect spotify to do everything for them.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:12 (10 hours ago) Permalink
just read his editorial, wow it's a lot of bullshit
I think you really have a weird sense of how much it means the first time you get anywhere near Actual Money for your music -- like, 900 bucks...is fucking 900 bucks, it's incredibly super-nice to get a check for that amount - the first time I made a grand in a night was '98, I still remember it really clearly because it was like holy shit. a thousand dollars. takes me three and a half weeks to earn that normally. I am still talking about it. but this dude used to be a publicist evidently? and people are seriously asking musicians right and left "wanna write a Spotify article?" pro or con because they're getting linked, so I'd guess this guy thought "I can write one and generate further publicity for myself"
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:52 (9 hours ago) Permalink
Omg why are people acting like this guys some sweet noob getting lucky kisses from wired and spotify when he's a self described industry veteran with management label experience, who literally started a tumblr for his band just to post this article
Why the hell is my noting this is weird and suspsish causing people to half-read my posts and respond like I'm bob lefsetz screaming about the saucer people
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:00 (9 hours ago) Permalink
lol no idea. My reaction was exactly same as yours (minus the investigation part because you've already done it).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:03 (9 hours ago) Permalink
Bless you sir was reaching frustration level mugatu
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:08 (9 hours ago) Permalink
the author and co-founder of Moke Hill's motivation is pretty clear
"Imagine if Spotify were embraced by notable musicians and revenue grew to 10 times what it is today (and the streams per song along with it); the singles mentioned above could be generating $9 to $17 million dollars each—for one song."
it's easy if you try...
― saki, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:11 (9 hours ago) Permalink
Different playlists on Spotify get done different ways. Some involve significant personal input, some are much more numbers-driven. I don't know the exact story behind Beards & Flannel, but it's an individual's list that has been featured in the Spotify editorial section, not an official Spotify company-produced list. It's got 28k followers, and the follower-count is usually a smallish fraction of the listeners, so that song might have reached ~100k people by appearing on that list. It's sort of like getting played on a college radio show, except that list doesn't change very often, and Moke Hill's song has been on there since January, so I guess it's like being put into long-term rotation on a very small station.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:24 (9 hours ago) Permalink
da croupier the thing that nags at me in your post is that you're implying that this guy is in bed with Spotify at this is some kind of cynical PR shill for Spotify, like he's so naive that he made $900 that he'll do anything for them.
I think this "industry vet"--by the way the phrase "industry vet" is nowhere in the article--used his contacts to get on a playlist on Spotify and also to land an article in Wired, and he's savvy enough to know that Wired will not publish an article about Mole Hill but will publish an article on Spotify. You seem baffled that this (sneer) "industry vet" is so bad at social media, get when it comes to the two huge PR scores he's achieved, it must have nothing to do with his connections and everything to do with Spotify exploiting a naive schmuck,
ffs you've spent the day researching everything there is to know about Mole Hill, so I think this guy is not a rube.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 27 November 2014 04:48 (6 hours ago) Permalink
alright, last time i'm going to explain why someone's confused about what i'm saying. from here on out if i ignore you, that means you don't understand what i've said and i don't need to repeat myself again.
that this guy is in bed with Spotify at this is some kind of cynical PR shill for Spotify, like he's so naive that he made $900 that he'll do anything for them.
this is a really wrongheaded conflation of one possibility - that this article is not just some tenderhearted indie musician speaking up for the company that's gonna get him and everyone else through the rain - and another, which i've only shared tongue-in-cheek because it's so ridiculous - that he was legitimately moved to write a long-ass article full of industry-wide optimism and pie-charts (despite minimal web presence beforehand) because he got random love from spotify adding up to 900 bucks and less than 300 followers (admittedly more than he has on any other platform). if you think i'm saying he became a pr shill for spotify BECAUSE he got 900 bucks, you need to read slower.
I think this "industry vet"--by the way the phrase "industry vet" is nowhere in the article-
you're right. in the article he says Before switching over to the artist’s side of things, I spent several years on the business end of the industry, working at an indie label and management company. That experience gave me exposure to the process of how revenue flows from consumers to artists, and how that process is changing with new technology. If you feel the phrase "industry vet" is misleading shorthand to use in response to the repeated idea that he saw 900 bucks and went "woah, we're making it!" (again, an idea i've floated only as an alternative to him being a pr shill) I'm really surprised by this
-used his contacts to get on a playlist on Spotify and also to land an article in Wired, and he's savvy enough to know that Wired will not publish an article about Mole Hill but will publish an article on Spotify.
nowhere in the article does he acknowledge being benefited from a playlist on spotify - merely that spotify "exposed" his band's work. so you're basically admitting there's at least a modicum of deception involved in him saying what worked for moke hill will work for every indie artist. you're even taking it a step further. you're saying a guy who can't be bothered to post regularly on facebook, twitter, instagram to promote his band, started a tumblr with a long article about how spotify is the future, with the long game of slipping in promotion of his band in Wired. Cuz man, what a "huge pr score". Almost as big as the one that got him 200+ followers on spotify. (ps i have an old co-worker who makes no music and has 1,524).
I am soooooo not saying it has nothing to do with connections. AT ALL. i have to assume you missed the sarcasm of the "ok perhaps he's just some guy who rose like a phoenix when spotify gave him cash" for you to think i was.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:03 (5 hours ago) Permalink
this bit from the tumblr version of the article probably also influenced my decision to honor him with the handle "industry vet"
Today, I’m experiencing the industry from the side of the artist (although admittedly, miles from Taylor Swift and Aloe Blacc on the notoriety continuum). In 2013, I formed a band called Moke Hill with my close friend Andrew Phillips and we were later joined by several other friends from within the industry.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:15 (5 hours ago) Permalink
actually, to acknowledge that there sure has been plenty of clusterfuck, lemme just lay out what i've been saying in the simplest terms. hopefully then people can disagree with THAT.
a person who "worked for several years on the business end of the industry," in their own words, now has an indie band with a web presence that would hardly suggest they're engaging the new music economy as we know it. this person then started a tumblr for his band that has no information about their music, just a long article about how the arguments against spotify are really misleading, complete with charts and graphs, noting that while 300,000 streams have only gotten him $900, it's really helped them out in terms of outreach and publicity (again, this someone who has posted a collective five tweets, six facebook posts and 12 instagram photos over the last year, so you know how much he's into outreach and publicity). he trumpets that no pr or marketing went into their success, but fails to acknowledge that a spotify-promoted playlist is undoubtedly what got this track 300,000 streams when the rest of the songs only have about 10,000 (they also have a miniscule amount of followers on spotify, suggesting there really hasn't been a groundswell of interest from this playlist placement). despite zero history of any other writing on the net, this post got linked to in the kansas city star, and then turned into an article for wired within a month.
i deem this odd. very odd.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:45 (4 hours ago) Permalink
forgot: there's also no acknowledgement of bandcamp or any other popular indie band music distribution platform. part of why i'd even go as far to say the piece is "suspicious," though i know i'm asking for someone to say i'm accusing them of some grand conspiracy if i do.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:53 (4 hours ago) Permalink
I advise you to avoid all music premieres.
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:56 (4 hours ago) Permalink
not sure i understand that cryptic dismissal (though it's a refreshing change of pace - no clear evidence what i've written has been ignored or misread), but i should note that part of why i'm hesitant to lay out any actual conspiracy is that it's possible this guy IS focused more on kissing industry ass than engaging with an audience at this point. He says himself We laid the foundation for Moke Hill with an EP that came out at the end of 2013, then worked on new material to complete a full-length release as a basis to secure label, management and booking partners. And while I think it's insane to think Wired is a way to the people, saying you think spotify is the bee's knees might be a way to get label, management and booking partners.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 07:19 (4 hours ago) Permalink