Bioshock -- the "sequel in spirit" to System Shock 2

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

haha yeah I was just going to mention how this is scoring.

I'ma be pissed if i have to sit thru a lot of somebody repping for libertarians and/or Objectivism in this, e.g. the gamedevs feeling the need to stick in a Heinlein-like author's avatar to lecture the audience.

While this is sometimes cool(see Kynes, Pardot), usually it suuuuuucks.

I just looked at it a little so far (at least my friend did) but it looks like it's the kind of game you only have to listen to what you want. You can just walk away, not read documents, etc.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/813/813214p1.html

The target in BioShock, Andrew Ryan, is anything but a prototypical villain. He's a man of bottomless ambition who built a city under the sea, obsessed with the idea of what makes a man, what differentiates a man from a slave. He's the Randian hero, a man who holds his own creative vision above all else, and he's Rodion Raskolnikov's exceptional person, someone who can be excused for committing crimes to achieve a noble goal, or at least with noble intentions--and he knows it. His vision, Rapture, is clearly a colossal failure. The driving force behind the game is your quest to discover why this man's alluring vision of an artistic utopia failed so completely and why you've stumbled upon it. Even though Ryan spits out what seems to resemble totalitarian propaganda, you can't help but sympathize with him. He has alluring ideas, speaks them with conviction, and comes off as a sympathetic visionary despite his severe eccentricities.

Ah fucking great, we mix the most socially inadequate of internet nerds, games journos, with product of the most socially inadequate of political philosophies.

"seems to resemble"?

Also, i'm a sucker for well-done-enough narrative that i try get as much from the game as i can(provided it's not page after page of plaintext)

here's what M@tt's mag sez:
http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/41497688-5BCB-4C0A-B952-A1B1440E2139.htm

The massively good reviews this thing is getting means that the backlash should come withing 9 days of the PC version being released.

Fun game that also "arty" in getting inflated metacritic score SHOCKA

So cna I buy an Xbox 360 now without worrying that it will break? Or is that ring thing still a serious issue?

Still. I'm buying one anyway, though. I pre-ordered this shit.

I played this last night and it was pretty damned cool..

Hell, I can wait. I started playing Xwing: Alliance again and finally got into Fable. I got enough to occupy me for the next 96 hours.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002605.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

you want to play this game. you want to read atlus shrugged. oneofusoneofus.

No, the best thing about this is guys on gaming boards who I always thought were pricks suddenly talking about how much they love Ayn Rand and me feeling vindicated.

Gee, between this coming out and Madden 08 hitting this week, you have the two major segments of 360 owners being sated for a while.

awaiting lolz: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=931329

The real reason for no "black" people. *spoilers*
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Melee Master89
Posted 8/16/2007 12:30:15 PM
message detail multimaniacal | Posted 8/16/2007 12:05:42 PM | message detail
theres a diary where the crazy surgeon talks about how you could change anything, your race, your sex, etc.
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dukebd699
Posted 8/16/2007 12:34:42 PM
message detail So what you're saying is black people would rather be white?

Selphbommr
Posted 8/16/2007 12:36:36 PM
message detail black people cant swim thats why. white ppl float, black ppl sink.

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VampSlayer246
Posted 8/16/2007 12:39:26 PM
message detail They used the white man plasmid.

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Posted 8/16/2007 12:40:49 PM
message detail I'm sure Chocolate Rain is involved somehow.
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Posted 8/16/2007 12:42:01 PM
message detail choklit rane rox i love that video
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Posted 8/16/2007 12:42:56 PM
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**steps away from computer to breathe**
hahahahahaha

ColoradoKindBud
Posted 8/16/2007 12:43:20 PM
message detail There was absolutely no reason to create this thread.

And yet it goes on for five pages.

marmotwolof, I'm pretty sure the game doesn't actually endorse Objectivism and Atlas Shruggery. The proponent of it in the game is the villain, isn't he?

Yeah, I know! There are already dudes going on about Rand oblivious to that.

Dudes, I am here to tell you that this game is freaking incredible. Except I was playing it with my gf last night and she got so freaked out by it I had to turn it off.

Something to do with the horrible doomed mutant souls walking around talking about how lonely they are, and god how they just want to meet someone and end their terrible loneliness, and then they attack you and how have to brain them with a wrench. Or the mothers looking desperately for their babies, who have become little flesh-collecting demons.

I'm off to buy an Elite before my copy gets here this week.

^...and I did. I'll be playing Gears and shit until BioShock gets here.

you forget to add "-ting" in there

I'll try to take care of that before I play.

how do people have this before release date?

Toys R Us broke street date.

i called them today and they said that was not the case

Yeah, they stopped selling it a little while after everyone found out.

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4491

PC demo hits tomorrow

check that. PC demo has already leaked.

steam is taunting me. "Pre-load complete; unreleased." anyone else had a total bitch of a time getting ss2 to run well on xp? i used to be able to do it but the internet says something about dual core processors pissing it off.

aaaaaand i got it running, but my display is all screwy. I guess have i have to d/l the latest hooja-doojas from ATI.

yay, am preloading now. But boo, am away this weekend. Arse!

oh boy, my vid card won't run this. excellent.

this will probably be fixed by the time most of you see it, but check what happens when you visit the gamedev's website:

http://www.irrationalgames.com/

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Apache/1.3.37 Server at www.irrationalgames.com Port 80

I think I'm about halfway through now. This game gets hella difficult around the midway point. The stealth stuff drives me bananas. And there's a little too many retrieval-style missions. But this game is fascinating and super fun and crazy imaginative and is the best-looking and best-sounding game I've ever seen.

First time through I'm going without killing the Little Sisters. The way they cry over the Big Daddies after you take one out was just too much. Anyone doing it the other way? Does that make it way way easier? How does it affect the story?

SPOILERS bruv

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83#comments

what happens when nakedly sony worshipping fanboys decide to review a 360 game.

Those aren't spoilers!

Omg Bioshock in 'cropping fullscreen to widescreen instead of vice-versa' SHOCKAH

this game is nutz

haven't run into any big daddy's yet. anyone know where the gene bank is in the first level? i need flame back

i was preloading but i had to shut down, so i paused it befoer closing steam and turning off. Now the "preload" button doesn't bring up the preload window any more and I... I don't know what to do...

this is sitting on my hdd right now. persona 3 is in my ps2. i have tomorrow and thursday off. it has been a crappy summer for gaming but this week is shaping up pretty well.

My 360 started chewing on discs yesterday, just as Bioshock is released. Off it goes to Microsoft for repairs. Bad timing :/

system shock 2 (underwater art deco libertarian-shooting remix)

The hacking mini-game is annoying (and I'm crap at it, so far). And there's too much fucking stuff to pick up and look for - but you have to keep looking 'cause it seems like you often can only pick up one bullet at a time. Other than that I'm liking the game fine so far (about two hours in, I guess), but I've yet to have my socks knocked off...

yeah, it's good but underwhelming so far... I guess that's understandable with all the superlatives knocking about

all it really takes to blow the gaming world hivemind is to make a first person shooter not set in ww2 or in the future pitted against an alien race in a struggle for survival etc etc. the game is getting better as i go on--the attack in the dentist's office was pretty nice.

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLP8l2nnnn4s&start1=71&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1ng0yS_Jl5I&start2=70&authorName=

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLP8l2nnnn4s&start1=30&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM7FIvfx5J10&start2=0&authorName=HappyHappyHappyHappy

just finished b:i - my what a terrible game that is

yeah i rarely just straight quit on a game but this was total garbage and i couldn't justify wasting my time with it. and i went in with such optimism!

the first bioshock's a pos and it looks like a masterpiece next to B:I

i don't know what is worse about b:i, the narrative or the mechanics. it's gotta be the mechanics just bc that's the fundamental need of a game - to be fun to play - but the story is dumber than inception.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/01/21/whitaker_wright_s_underwater_ballroom_in_surrey_england.html

This game was great fun, and easily the most beautiful-looking game I have seen so far. Also I really liked the combat, and am kind of confused by everyone who says it sucked. Aside from just pointing the trigger and shooting, you usually had multiple hiding spots, tearable gun turrets, all the vigors, etc. so many different ways to approach most combat situations.

Then again I've been off fps for a while, what are the games with wonderful combat that you would recommend over B:I?

High point of the game for me was zipping around a looping skyline while trying to take down a single huge dirigible halfway through the game.

no fpses matter after unreal tournament 2004 iirc

paranautical activity is awesome - brand new roguelike fps

infinity was the worst

The false shepherd is either a mulatto dwarf or a Frenchman with a missing left eye, no more than four foot and nine inches

They say this over the intercom when the shit hits the fan and all the authorities are looking for you, and it always stuck out to me. Is it a literary reference or something?

The first encounter with the crow man feels playing through a 100% accurate re-creation of a nightmare. Probably my favorite part of the game.

It does kind of suck when they show you an alternate reality 1983 but you never get to go there.

http://killscreendaily.com/articles/news/ken-levine-closes-irrational-sets-create-brave-new-narrative-games/

whoa, was bioshock infinite a huge failure or something? i just assumed it had sold well.

The massive delays couldn't have helped.

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dz3RHenh8vJ8&start1=245&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3De8-sMJZTYf0&start2=0&authorName=snoopsagan

I made it about 3/4 of the way through on the second play before just giving up. I was playing on Hard and the fight against the Handyman was so impossible it just became extremely un-fun.

'Storyline' in this was fun to think about for about the first 2 hours of my second playthrough, but the more I thought about it, the less appealing it was, and the more icky it felt. Plus in all the interviews w Levine I could read, he never had a good answer for why the racist stuff other than "This is how the world was in 1912". Yet you never read about all the floating cities and robot presidents in history books. So this guy, who SOLD HIS OWN DAUGHTER, turns evil because he is later baptized? It wasn't the massacre in Wounded Knee and it wasn't SELLING HIS OWN DAUGHTER, it was being baptized. Right.

I guess this stuff is probably touched upon in the DLC but count me out.

i completely agree. what if it had been an open-world, undirected myst-style thing where you just wander around and put clues together and then maybe break into the tower with some sierraesque inventory puzzle and maybe occasionally you shoot some dudes? right? "not being call of duty" isn't enough.

i just started playing this because it is free on xbox gold and this so expresses my disappointment about an hour or so in. such a beautiful world, wish i could stop being shot at by dudes so i could enjoy it.

That's ironic because there is no story at all this game is telling. The plot is a kind of an aimless bait-and-switch of a bunch of topical high concepts smooshed together through clever but sloppy writing and used to disguise a dull shooter as something which could have been so much deeper. It's the dumbest "thinking person's game" ever.

The idea that without the shooting this could have been something amazing is utterly absurd but I am sure it sold a lot to people that think Call of Duty is for idiots.

well it's boring the piss out of me, and if there's no story there then i don't know if i can be bothered to play much further.

There's story there, it's just not nearly as good as people were dreaming it was going to be.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/07/20/system-shock-by-nightdive-studios-is-coming-to-ps4/

Hmmmmm

always wanted to play the original but never got to it.

I tried once and the ancient graphics put an end to that shit real quick

played SS2 somewhat recently (like within the last decade) and it totally holds up and is still an excellent game.