here is no why.
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Whoa, I agree with Geir too.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link
This is impossible, so I'll go with their NIN impression, "Love".
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm leaning towards "Bodies" but I should pull it out to check. I like "Love" a lot too. And "Thirty-Three".
― Sundar, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
1979 ftw
― Jordan, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
ha GIS for "porcelina" sort of hilarious: http://images.elfwood.com/art/r/o/robinbean/merland.jpg
Just barely like it more than "1979", because shit is EPIC man.
― nickalicious, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
The only SP song I like is 1979.
― Bodrick III, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I never quite got these guys, but Muzzle is a great song.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link
'here is no why'. i'll be surprised if 1979 doesn't win
― 6335, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, "Muzzle" is pretty great too. I could have voted that easily.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm gonna tip my hat to disc 2 & "We Only Come Out at Night"
I used to claim I didn't like Smashing Pumpkins. Then I realized I own four of their albums and don't want to flush them. So while I despise the "guilty pleasure" concept, SP would rank high on my list.
― zaxxon25, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I just listened to this album for the first time in 5 years and hereby DENOUNCE and REJECT my previous vote for "Porcelina" in favor of "Jellybelly" which is my absolute favorite Punkins song and how the fuck did I forget about it!???
― nickalicious, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
voted for Muzzle, but so many contenders. great album(s).
― stephen, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Through the Eyes of Ruby for me.
― youcangoyourownway, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd love to hear the vinyl version of this with the different tracklisting.
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Lots of great songs on this album. I saw them on this tour as well, they were great.
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
definitely MUZZLE
― 69, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Cupid de Locke vs Love tossup
― billstevejim, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link
"Muzzle" was disappointing live but when I saw them it was the guy who isn't Jimmy Chamberlain. Otherwise also a fav.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 6 March 2008 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link
This is actually one of the best examples of patchy double albums that could have made great single albums.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 6 March 2008 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link
people try and make that case about all double albums
― Charlie Howard, Thursday, 6 March 2008 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you'd be lucky to get a decent EP out of this, to be honest.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 6 March 2008 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link
agreed. Maybe a single in 'thirty three'
― joedee, Thursday, 6 March 2008 12:20 (sixteen years ago) link
No, really. There are around 10 "pop" songs here that are actually quite nice. They would only have to get rid of the noisiest and most aggressive tracks and they'd have a marvellous single album. Shame about that singing voice though - this is one of few cases where I agree it was a good idea to keep the vocals behind in the mix.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 6 March 2008 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Impossible to choose between "Muzzle," "Porcelina," "Thru The Eyes Of Ruby," "Galapagos," and "Where Boys Fear To Tread," but I think I'll give it to the latter since it hasn't been getting upped yet on this thread...
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link
As for the "make it one disc" thing, I raised that question on this thread and got some responses, for anybody into that kind of thing...
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
who gonna be the kook that votes 4 tales of a scorched earth
― ralph, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Fuck's sake - the whole point of Mellon Collie is that it's an overblown indulgence-fest; one of the last ones in mainstream rock - and that's why it's a great album. All this trimming-down talk, fffff!
― the next grozart, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link
haha, Alex in NYC makes the same exact diss in both this thread and mine.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
it's definitely 1979 for me
― winston, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link
very tough choice between "Tonight Tonight" and "In the Arms of Sleep"
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
TRULY TRAGIC THIS
― teresa, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think I ever listened to anything but the singles, and of those "1979" is the only one that still rates.
― milo z, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Kinda feels like this is the 'last album of the '90s.'
― milo z, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I actually think an Adore poll might be more interesting. Although maybe "Perfect" is the obvious winner there.
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link
this album is the sound of me at 14
― latebloomer, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:59 (sixteen years ago) link
vinyl tracklist:
Side one: Dawn
1. "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" – 2:52 2. "Tonight, Tonight" – 4:14 3. "Thirty-Three" – 4:10 4. "In the Arms of Sleep" – 4:12 5. "Take Me Down" (Iha) – 2:52
Side two: Tea Time 1. "Jellybelly" – 3:01 2. "Bodies" – 4:12 3. "To Forgive" – 4:17 4. "Here Is No Why" – 3:45 5. "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" – 9:21
Side three: Dusk
1. "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" – 4:18 2. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" – 7:38 3. "Muzzle" – 3:44 4. "Galapogos" – 4:47 5. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" – 3:46
Side four: Twilight
1. "1979" – 4:25 2. "Beautiful" – 4:18 3. "Cupid de Locke" – 2:50 4. "By Starlight" – 4:48 5. "We Only Come Out at Night" – 4:05
Side five: Midnight
1. "Where Boys Fear to Tread" – 4:22 2. "Zero" – 2:41 3. "Fuck You (An Ode to No One)" – 4:51 4. "Love" – 4:21 5. "X.Y.U." – 7:07
Side six: Starlight
1. "Stumbleine" – 2:54 2. "Lily (My One and Only)" – 3:31 3. "Tonite Reprise" – 2:40 4. "Farewell and Goodnight" (Corgan/Iha) – 4:22 5. "Infinite Sadness" – 4:02
^^^^ would much rather listen to it this way. This makes it seem more like a 6-EP box set s.t. you can put on a different side for different moods. Which I think brings the whole album to a perfect level of pretense and pomposity.
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 04:02 (sixteen years ago) link
xxpost "Appels + Oranjes" is far and away the best thing on that album. And there are a lot of great songs on that album.
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link
That vinyl tracklist is WILD! Wow. What's "Tonite Reprise"?
I always felt like this thing needed to end on something a little more dramatic - probably "By Starlight."
And I'm with Curt1s, "Appels + Oranjes" is my favorite Adore track, although at the time "Tear" ranked really high with me, and to this day does a more precise job of bringing back the exact feel and smell of a certain era in time than any other song, not sure why or how that happened but it did. "Perfect" is, I'm sad to say, kind of boring! Am I right that it was a single? Not that this was an album really overflowing with obvious hits, but it seems like a weird, wimpy kind of choice.
Granted, by that point Billy had taken a 90-degree turn away from the blatant arena majesty of SD/MCIS, in favor of a kind of extended love letter to particular electro goth genre work, lush and watery on one end and aching/sparse on the other. I like a lot of songs off Adore and Machina I, but they're really different animals than Melon Collie.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link
My fave on Adore has to be "For Martha," what a stunner. That and "Blank Page" actually outdo the closing ballads on Mellon Collie.
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm half into DAWN of vinyl tracklist, it is better this way.
― nickalicious, Friday, 7 March 2008 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean TEA TIME.
"Tonite Reprise" is an acoustic guitar version of "Tonight, Tonight"
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember seeing this post-Siamese Dream MTV news bit about how Smashing Pumpkins were readying their new album, and it included a 4 second clip of Corgan recording the vocals of "Muzzle" in their studio, and I played that 4 seconds over and over in my head for months until the album actually came out. And the finished "Muzzle" totally lived up to it - I love how the drums roll in on that song...
― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 7 March 2008 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I think my answer would be "Thirty-Three", but i'll have to listen to this album again to work it out.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I never liked "Perfect". I liked Adore at the time, but in retrospect it has a lot more cloying, embarassing moments than Mellon Collie.
Back to Mellon Collie - "Beautiful" is the perfect soundtrack to teenagers in love in 1995.
― the next grozart, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Adore more cloying than Mellon Collie? Hmmmm...
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
no wai
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
-- latebloomer, Friday, March 7, 2008 3:59 AM (15 hours ago)
YES. well, 13 for me, but it's hard to explain how deeply invested i was in this album. not much of it holds up anymore for me, apart from a few tracks, but there isn't any other album that's more of a nostalgia trip for me back to '95-96 than this one.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
1979 vs. muzzle, for the vote. i'll probably go with 1979
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
ZERO, people
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 11 April 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
where boys fear to tread, lately. monster riff
― flappy bird, Thursday, 27 August 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
i haven't done this for many, many years, but tonight i think i will crank up the old stereo and play the entire album
― 1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 27 August 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
I still can't believe that 'Beautiful' didn't get any votes, it's always been one of my highlights of the album... I particularly love the way it changes from this seemingly loop-based thing to the full band playing in the middle section, with that gorgeous sitar-like guitar sound.
― and we're still talking about that Pitchfork list? Christ. (Turrican), Thursday, 27 August 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
yeah I love that whole last side
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link
These days, I would definitely vote for Ruby. Blue disc is a monster!
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
nearly a decade of listening to this album nearly constantly I never thought much of "To Forgive" but it fucking kills me now. happened all of a sudden last fall, I remember the day. it opened up, or swallowed me in.
and funny how Billy's singing on "In the Arms of Sleep" is so hard to take seriously sometimes but then sometimes you're riding on every syllable and sibilance.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:28 (five years ago) link
1:00:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYyGECNfz0
(newly uploaded show btw, never circulated afaik)
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:32 (five years ago) link
is the "Mellon Collie and The Infinite Ga Ga Goo Goo" boot any good? I saw them on the tour after this (I think Veruca Salt opened? I was like 11) and I would lvoe to hear what they sounded like, that seems like the msot popular one― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:12 PM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:12 PM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Ga Ga Goo Goo Tracks Tonight, TonightIn the Arms of SleepCupid de LockeThirty-threeTodaySomaTake Me DownBeautifulRhinocerosRocketDisarm / SpaceboyDancing in the Moonlight [Thin Lizzy]Tonight, TonightCupid de LockeThirty-three1979 thumbnails | text
Label: FoamheadID: FH004Track info: Tracks 1-10: 1996-02-07 - Kezar Pavilion; San Francisco, CA, US - audience, acousticTracks 11-12: 1993-06-30 - VPRO Radio; Hilversum, NL - studio, acousticTracks 13-16: 1996-05-15 - Brixton Academy; London, UK - soundboard, acousticLength: 01:14:31 Notes
Track 6 is mislabeled as 'One Last Kiss Goodnight'. Track 10 is mislabeled as 'Skin Head Fag'. Track 11 is mislabeled as 'Disarm'. The liner contains an obviously modified photo of Billy with a swastika on his forehead, and a juvenile insult "Produced by the Bald-Headed Butt-Lover".
― peace, man, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
o_O
― peace, man, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
I am once again having fun toying with the sequencing of MCIS and its b-sides / outtakes. the songs I like to incorporate are the ones that don't feel like they have exact, existing analogues on the existing tracklist - "The Boy" and/or "Pennies" (way more relaxed and economical than usual), "Medelia" (always loved the slightly lo-fi production and piano sound), "...Said Sadly" (country duet vibes), "Transformer" (silly angst-free riffy rocker), "Set the Ray to Jerry" (basically its own genre), "Aeroplane Flies High" (OK, this one is a little redundant but it's also like one of their 10 or 20 best songs). I also like "Infinite Sadness" a lot though I guess it's technically SD-era.
"God" and "Ugly" and a few others are also good but they do feel like lesser counterparts to songs that are already in the mix
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 September 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
The bridge of “Beautiful” is a tight piece of business.
― Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Friday, 11 September 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link
xp “Infinite Sadness” is the last track on the 3xLP version of MCIS!
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Friday, 11 September 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
what if Kurt Cobain sang "1979"
― Neanderthal, Friday, 11 September 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
I never fully appreciated “1979” (beyond “good song”)—due to its ubiquity, my lack of interest in the Pumpkins by that point, etc.—but it’s really a home run on every level. I was “unexpectedly ambushed by emotion” this afternoon, when it came on as I listened to the album driving home on the freeway. (It’s funny how it’s randomly plopped on the album as track #57, or whatever.)
― Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Friday, 11 September 2020 06:03 (three years ago) link
every single line of that song (except “Beneath the sound of hope”) is annotated in Genius dot com
― Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Friday, 11 September 2020 06:23 (three years ago) link
it’s official: billy corgan is a rap genius
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Friday, 11 September 2020 06:43 (three years ago) link
I forgot! It's funny that it literally has "Siamese Outtake" tacked onto its Spotify title
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 11 September 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ISK1g54Fc
this really does sample an awful lot of "1979"
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 December 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
i think it even samples the cover to the CD single
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
so.... they're getting wasted and hanging around? man anybody who gave Puffy shit over his sampling should listen to this and then come back and think again imo
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
lol imagine hearing this shit in like 1998 or something
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 02:07 (three years ago) link
That song really brought out the angry boomer in me, not so much because of the obvious Pumpkins sample as because of the 'Californication' line.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 02:14 (three years ago) link
if this were a one direction song i'd be so down
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
it is nowhere near as good as a one direction song though
one direction sampling smashing pumkins would be the best dream ever.
― Nourry, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
I just fixed the CD player in my car - well got the penny out that my kid stuck in there - and busted this out after a long time and damn this is so well recorded. The drums absolutely thump
― Heez, Friday, 8 July 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
Trudat.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 July 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link