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They are all bootlegs.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk have been notorious for announcing stuff that *never* happens - earlier this year, they announced that the first three albums would finally get released on CD - no bonus tracks, but "re-mastered" - how can you re-master something that was mever (CD) mastered to begin with? Anyway, the first 3 are great - my favorite is "Kristallo" from "Ralf & Florian", sounds great when played LOUD.

SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

you need "tone float" by kraftwerk / organisation - which is kinda like a pre kraftwerk hippy drum circle with wiggy violin, flute & hammond organ - at least as good as kwerk 1 & 2 which are their all time best apart from the original tour de france. get it get it get it - it's the best

bob snoom, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7813200.stm

:(

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

The boy Schnieder done good but he has to hang up his boots sometime

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've been disappointed by how accessible they've been over the past few years. Maybe this will restore a little mystery.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

But Florian was the weirdo mystery element in the group

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

And now he's not even in it! It's like SUPER MYSTERIOUS!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

This at the bottom of the BBC page...


Cones hotline
The lasting legacy of John Major's much ridiculed plan

snoball, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

what would Florian do?

Hopefully jam with Michael Rother and Jaki L., but probably not. :(

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

co-sign!

Europa Endlos should be the anthem of the EU.

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

For me, that moment is the keyboard interlude the third time or so it's repeated. For one, I just love the sound of the saw wave and the little modulation accents Ralf plays. But on that iteration, Ralf knocks it up a register — and it just takes off. Easily my favorite Kraftwerk moment, period.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 April 2009 19:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Folks have probably already seen this, but just in case:

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3212&Itemid=26

Remasters of Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express), The Man Machine, Computer World, Techno Pop, The Mix, and Tour De France. Available individually or as a box set, in which case they come in those horrible little "mini LP sleeve" packages people seem to like for some reason.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

On October 5 Kraftwerk will release 12345678: The Catalogue, a CD box set collecting eight of their classic studio albums. Newly remastered versions of the albums will also be available individually on CD, vinyl and download.



The release is via Mute; it marks the 35th anniversary of the band's 1974 hit 'Autobahn' and will come mere weeks after they headline the 2009 edition of Bestival. Kraftwerk are arguably more important than The Beatles in terms of profound influence on the evolution of modern music,
.. etcetc...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

- 8 x individual CDs presented in special slipcases featuring newly expanded artwork, including many previously unseen images all of which have been reproduced to the highest technical standards.

- CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets.

- 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets.

- Digital downloads.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Any reason to buy these for those of us who own all the albums on CD already? Sounds like extra packaging but nothing in the way of new/unreleased music... not really into those types of reissues.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

for the first time

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title

elan, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

-- this explains why i like that lp so much!

amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.

That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.

It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

.. and Conny Plank...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version

& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?
the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

correction, one word "Computersinfonien"

but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

ace, thanks!

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"

for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one

to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB

I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.

The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

fine with mp3's

Kraftwerk POX
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfeegk

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” - http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/thebookofseth/1743

have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rsc6e

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html

Brakhage, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 05:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

where?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

If you google kohoutek and kraftwerk it's one of the first results

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, found one. Quite recently, I did that, got nowt...

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

chemicalbeats.blogspot.com usually has some good stuff.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

say hello to jim from me mr doran ..

mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

oh, and jim is from the pre new now ..
f&ck the past ..

mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

Ok. Fair point.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:22 (3 months ago) Permalink

Tell Jim he owes me money

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

Actually don't bother

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

when I saw them i got a decent look and can say that at least on Tour de France they do play the synth line live

frogbs, Saturday, 9 February 2013 23:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

I am going to The Mix. It was my first choice. I don't know anyone else for whom it is their favourite Kraftwerk album. Does that make me a bad person?

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

it does. you are a bad person!

Z S, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

also, you're not a true fan!

Z S, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

I was tempted to do 'the mix', because it had a range of tracks, I did not know they did other tracks too. Blame Sparks...

Mark G, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

Stage invasions at a Kraftwerk gig!?

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

Yea, right at the end, first the guy who was next to me all night, then a girl. Poor Fritz Hilpert was doing his solo spot and they totally bogarted his shit

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

Maybe they just wanted a look at his rig.

Zon vs Aviary (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 00:35 (3 months ago) Permalink

In those neoprene spiderman costumes you can see his 'rig' from the sound desk

ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

Loved the stage invasion. The humans malfunctioned.

I was stood a few rows behind the Pet Shop Boys and, less excitingly, Mick Hucknall.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

Tom Ellard dissents

http://tomellard.com/wp/2013/02/vivid-and-kraftwerk-deserve-each-other/

eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 21 February 2013 23:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

I'm surprised there hasn't been more dissent. Only one original member, miming, haven't really released anything new in 25 odd years. I wonder how they get away with it really.

everything, Friday, 22 February 2013 10:19 (3 months ago) Permalink

I saw Kraftwerk play live in 1981.

Not everyone was around in 1981, gramps.

In 2003 I was asked if we would like to play a support spot for Kraftwerk’s return to Australia. That was great! I’d been working on some new videos and a set and it would be a perfect match, little and big. I said yes. Word came back from Germany – Nein – no videos allowed. That was a bit rough for a video band. The promoter tried a compromise. What if we used our own projector? Nein – no light touching the screens. And no instruments allowed. You will only play a tape. And you must be a specified number of metres away from the main stage.

Yes, I can't believe the headliners didn't cave into the demands of the support act. Fascist bastards.

As the set rolled along it was horrible to realise that they hadn’t advanced in over a decade. The symbol of musical progress, of futurism, were lazily stuck in the past.

Never heard of any group whose main success were in the years from 1974 to 1981 trading in on past glorious over twenty years ago.

Vivid itself being less about a festival of ideas and more about a source of tourist income every year.

To be fair, they're still trying to get over the year when the NSW tourism ministry was accused of wasting money on bring an some unknown bloke called Brian Eno to Vivid.

One look at the pictures and it seems that they might have got a few new Tron suits to wear. Whoever ‘they’ might be these days.

Well, that's why they wear the Tron suits!!

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

^^ reading that back, I'm being a bit harsh as I do have respect for Tom Ellard but come on, bashing Kraftwerk for being old farts is not exactly earth shattering opinions 4 u

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:36 (3 months ago) Permalink

FoI request shows that no tickets at all were sold online for the London run:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/142165/response/351230/attach/2/tate%20response.pdf

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 13:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

Anyone who went to multiple shows in London or New York - is there much difference in the post-album set from night to night? If we managed to score in the ballot for two of the Sydney Opera House shows, is it worth going to both?

(nb: the albums are Techno Pop and Tour De France, or this question would be moot)

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 02:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

Not much variation ime. I managed to get to 1,2 & 5. Obviously the latter half is dictated by how many hits are included in the album that precedes it, Autobahn and Radioactivity only have one big song each, so the rest of the sets were fairly similar. For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great. I think Neon Lights and Vitamin were the only tracks sequenced in and out of the second half. if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 09:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great.

oh damn

if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.

loooool, re-read my post - it seems the first four were all allocated to ppl who live in other countries or states, not locals, so

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ha, I did read the caveat, that didn't stop me from being redundant tho' :)

MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 14:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

this new Karl Bartos thing is pretty entertaining

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk vs. the Chinese government

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/29/kraftwerk-denied-festival-appearance-in-china

geeta, Friday, 29 March 2013 22:15 (1 month ago) Permalink


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