His strengths are in 'cool' geeky concepts extrapolated from now to whenever his story is set. As Ess Kay touches on above the biotech-fetishists have him as a grandaddy. He was writing about chip implants/bio interfaces long before they had been seriously considered (AFAIK).
Whatever, "Pattern Recognition" is great. If you live in London, Tokyo or NYC and read message boards, you will love it.
Jordan - did you know the Curta is a real calculator? Look 'em up - you can get them on ebay!
― Simeon (Simeon), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
I told my editor the heroine was allergic to Prada and she wasn't happy about it.
― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
and it's great. started it late last night and am 222 pages into it already, would've been more but i had to go and sign on 8)
particularly fond of the cover and the way all the london places he mentions (apart from the vegan restaurant) are places i know well. and the way that every other page he'll just throw a phrase in that has never been coined before but which is just perfect and instantly recognisable ('Zaprudered', the whole 'mirror-world' thing...)
andy
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
Did anyone else who's read it see the bits about 'Fetish:Footage:Forum' and just think of Ilx?
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Some else recommend me more William Gibson. I'm liking this one so far. The London-ness, and the fact that it's not set in the future, surprised me. I always thought his books would be all about hackers 'jacking in' to 'CyBerSpace' whilst on the run from the Feds and mainly feature flying taxis driven by androids.
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I really like the Difference Engine too although I don't know if anyone else does.
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 22 August 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link
I found a digital camera in the woods [not for 56k]
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Definitely classic.
― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link
I haven't actually read the nineties ones.
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
steer clear of the neuromancer trilogy then 8)
actually, no, it's well worth a read. it was written in 1986 by someone who wasn't that up on the technology and it's interesting to see how well he 'predicts' (or not) how things turned out. plus it has space rastas in it.
> Gibson's real strength to me is presenting outrageously bizarre> concepts as though they're commonplace, like that thing in orbit > that does nothing but make wooden boxes.
Liz to thread. she once pointed out to me that this is a reference to some real artist. and he does a lot of this - there's a passing reference to Duchamp's Large Glass in Neuromancer for instance.
― koogs (koogs), Monday, 23 August 2004 07:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 23 August 2004 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I finally read Pattern Recognition earlier in the year, It was great. The thing that stands out in Gibson's writing the most, more than any other writer I can think of, is his attention to artifacts. For example, his detailed description of the Rickson jacket. Not only is there description of the Cayce's personal connection to the jacket, but also a strange genealogy of the jacket's manufacturing history and the cultural motivations that created such an item.
When Gibson describes these artifacts (some technological, some not) I get a sense of the world of the narrative. He shows the output of a strange set of equations that are fundamental processes of the setting. And it's even more interesting when he's talking about present day stuff.
― Dale the Panopticalist (cprek), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Just that it got me into Joseph Cornell is like reason enough for me to love Gibson forevah.
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
;)
― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
and i just finished Pattern Recognition! details: incisive, insightful. story: a little too well made i think. Should a novel self-conscioiusly documenting Our Time tie everything up neatly in the final chapter?
― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
i think i did read MLO before Neuromancer but it's been so long and they've been reread so many times i don't remember what it was like. not that different, prob! they're only obliquely related, nicely...
― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― kephm (kephm), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Lucas just stood there, facing the doorway, his face expressionless, the tip of his cane planted neatly on the sidewalk and his large hands one atop the other on a brass knob. "First thing that you learn," he said, with the tone of a man reciting a proverb, "is that you always gotta wait..."
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― :|, Monday, 23 August 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
I liked Pattern Recognition, though, so maybe we'll see some improvement soon. A friend of mine once remarked that Gibson writes female characters the way others write about sports cars, but he's gotten better at it and it shows in this book.
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
molly was certainly some kind of sportcar fantasy tho, yeah.
― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost - You might like Cryptonomicon better, it's a little more grounded in reality (if a bit too long). And yeah, Snow Crash can be a little out there, and sort of burns out at points, but the momentum it built up in the first half was enough to keep me going through its slightly less than stellar conclusion.
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link
in re: Stephenson being "more well-researched"
I once asked a twenty-something computer geek if he'd ever read any Stephenson and he replied that he specifically avoided him because of the technological inaccuracies in some of his books. As a big science fiction fan myself I don't really regard "accuracy" more important than, say, plot theme or characters, so I wouldn't really give a shit how accurate Stephenson's books are. But is this an issue with others?
For ex., Dan Simmons' Hyperion universe (did someone refer to it as the cantos upthread?) seems rather wildly improbable but outstanding nevertheless.
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
But I agree with you - technical accuracy does not the good scifi novel make. Witness: Michael Crichton.
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link
_Snow Craash_ starts out with one of the most irritatingly-written scenes ever committed to paper but becomes deeply engrossing once you hit chapter 2.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link
"The Diamond Age" is better, though, I think
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
Wait, you think the pizza delivery car chase that Snow Crash starts out with is irritating? SACRILEGE. You have to at least respect the fact that when YT is looking for a vehicle to latch onto she picks a minivan in some expensive suburb, and the narrative goes on from there to presuppose that:
1. the minivan's erratic driving is due to some idiot chode of a 14 year old who secretly stole it from his mom for the night
2. he probably takes horse steroids
Have some respect for the her and the Deliverator, man. It's a 20 or so page passage that masterfully describes the privatized, libertarian/anarchical world of Snow Crash almost incidentally to what's actually happening in those pages.
― Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
I spent the first chapter rolling my eyes and thinking "Why should I care? Who are these people? Is the whole thing written this way? For fuck's sake!" then did an abrupt about-face on the entire book once Hiro and YT were actually given personalities.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link
I ordered the UK Penguin paperbacks of the Bridge trilogy from Blackstones last night. I like the matching covers and haven't read the books since they were new, so birthday present to myself (I turn 50 next month).
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link
yeah, i re-bought the original trilogy (and the matching Burning Chrome) after i lost the first set to a flood.
virtual light was the first i bought, remaindered in a bookshop in leicester. everything since has been the hardback. and ATP is signed "merry xmas '99" (was a present, i didn't get to meet him).
― koogs, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 13:12 (two years ago) link
There’s probably something Gibsonian to the fact that I own paperbacks of the sprawl trilogy but the idea of digging out a yellowed, dusty copy that’d make me sneeze and turn my reading light up made me just procure the ebook
― mh, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 14:30 (two years ago) link
The footage forum stuff in Pattern Recognition reads like early ILX. You lurk in’, William?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 00:07 (two years ago) link
reminded me of newsgroup conspiracy theories tbh
― mh, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 00:26 (two years ago) link
Gibson's best joke is reducing all of Pattern Recognition to creating "Trope Slope, for instance, our viral pitchman platform" in Spook Country
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 17 December 2021 06:21 (two years ago) link
First teaser trailer for The Peripheral tv series is out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSaWHbCSmRI
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
I did not imagine the pre-Jackpot humans with Appalachian accents
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 9 September 2022 04:34 (one year ago) link
that trailer is actively making me not want to see it
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 September 2022 06:51 (one year ago) link
production design-wise it looks not too far off what i had in my head when i read it but that's not MY flynne and burton ffs, casting seems way off
this reminds me i need to get back to slogging through the last quarter of AGENCY, which i am not enjoying at all
― manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 September 2022 09:14 (one year ago) link
Revive made me think he'd Prokofieved it
― Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 9 September 2022 09:44 (one year ago) link
Yeah, that's where the book takes place, out in the sticks.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 September 2022 12:19 (one year ago) link
It's pretty explicitly mentioned in the book!
― mh, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link
I think this looks really good myself and very closely matches up with both how I envisioned the setting and the characters, so I'm excited for it.
I had the same experience. The first half was good and felt like it was building toward something; the end of the book is seriously underwhelming.
― akm, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link
I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll pull off anything great, but I usually enjoy Chloë Grace Moretz's acting and Nolan/Joy have pulled off some decent television on occasion, so..
― mh, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
Agency was very whatever, but (I’m hoping) planted seeds that will sprout in the next book.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 September 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
I watched the trailer. Dunno how I feel about it. Not gonna spring for Amazon Prime to watch it, but if DVD sets are available for rent at some point, might check it out.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 September 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link
Out in the sticks does not mean "up in the holler" - the contemporary setting seemed more decaying rust belt Ohio or Pennsylvania, empty Kansas town maybe, rather than east Kentucky. It doesn't matter but it just didn't sound right for the characters to me.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 9 September 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link
Looks pretty cool. I don't mind if they take some liberties with this book/series, because the source material isn't perfect.
― beard papa, Friday, 9 September 2022 18:08 (one year ago) link
A Blue Ant trilogy series by the guy who did Mr. Robot could be good - in terms of visual style at least.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 9 September 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
i really should read those (I did Pattern Recognition which I loved but never got to the follow ups)
― akm, Friday, 9 September 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link
Spook Country is really good. Zero History is pretty good until it sinks in that the whole thing is just a love letter to Gibson's obsession with selvedge denim jeans.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 September 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
haha I love the fabric history detours!
― sleeve, Friday, 9 September 2022 22:51 (one year ago) link
I like selvedge denim jeans so I'll probably enjoy it
― akm, Saturday, 10 September 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link
I mean, it's a good book, I've read it a few times, but I distinctly remember on my first read thinking, "Wait...is this whole book...about pants?"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 10 September 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Unperson, did you read that long New Yorker profile about Gibson a couple years back?
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 10 September 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
Gibson got a couple of clothing collabs off of Pattern Recognition, that plotline in the third book was VMIC.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 10 September 2022 17:48 (one year ago) link
http://www.selfedge.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=647
Only $990
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 10 September 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link