ime plowing just built up huge snow barriers at the crosswalks, was easier to get around before the plows. and I mean regardless, it would take an army to clear the sidewalks for all of NYC after the blizzard.
I mean admittedly I have a distorted POV where anything that makes it harder to drive a private vehicle is basically good for NYC.
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Morbs, the MTA is actually not under Bloomberg's control. I mean that's one area where you really can't lay the blame at his feet.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 January 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
mostly just surprised that morbs is willing to let his pure hatred for bloomberg overwhelm the fact that this was a ny post-esque 'controversy' - gee, a giant blizzard slightly inconveniences the privileged minority of new yorkers who think that getting their driveway plowed should be the one and only city priority. and many of whom, by choosing to drive during the storm, helped make things worse. this is not quite hurricane katrina.
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
iatee i feel like as a total n00b you should know the thing that pisses people off so bad abt the snowocalypse is its indicative of bloombergs distain for all people who are not bloomberg - and you know it is the citys job to remove the snow - pretending that its no big deal that it didnt get moved for three days isnt gonna change the fact that it was a major dereliction of duty
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah except I see little evidence that it happened because he had disdain for people (which is why I would have done it fwiw) and significant evidence that it happened because there was a much bigger than anticipated blizzard that surprised everybody including weather forecasters
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and icy maybe it's easier to take when you're not a n00b but people in this city have such an epic sense of self-entitlement...only place in america where 'my driveway didn't get plowed!' has merit as a national news story. average new yorker is incredibly shitty at taking the smallest inconvenience and I find this more disgusting on a day-to-day basis than I find the bumbling wannabe technocrat mayor.
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
how fucking long have you lived here?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
(my God, the length of my ILX shitlist these days)
a much bigger than anticipated blizzard
last February's was bigger btw
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
haha the ultimate ny dick measuring contest xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I need to get the hell out of here and leave the place to the likes of you and the revered tourists who are going to Spiderman
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i was in New York just before Christmas for the first time in many months and i was impressed by how shitty everything still is - the appearance of the subway stations, the broken moving sidewalks in JFK, just everything. people like to talk about how different NYC is from the bad old days of the 70s and early 80s, but that old broken badness never really went away, it just got a few coats of expensive veneer painted over it, so the upper crust never had to really notice
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link
also, is NYC really the greenest city in America???? that is a sad comment if so! tell it to bed-stuy!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
greenest in that it produces by far the least emissions per capita, not cause it's clean or particularly healthy to live in
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ahhhhh i see
the number of parks within walking distance of any random spot you might choose, for instance, is like :(
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
really iatee, I'm relieved to know that the old rapid snow-cleanup schedule was a gratuitous indulgence on behalf of the arrogant.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeahhhh queens is esp grim on that measure xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― iatee, Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is absolutely wrong btw
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the forecasts were for like a foot + of snow - every other time that amount has been predicted a snow emergency it declared before hand and the streets are cleared - this time bloomberg who will literally not say where he was because he was in bermuda did not do that and the result was a a shut down city for three days and trash piled up for a week - yr idea that demanding the city do its job is some sort of entitlement is plainly inane
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
and just review the timeline of the media trying to pry an apology out of this fucker if you dont think hes disdainful of the v people he governs
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
basically iatee's POV is that for paying taxes we are entitled to a good screwing.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
stop complaining and put on yr boots its not the billionaires fault ok
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.r8ny.com/blog/larry_littlefield/a_surprisingly_severe_storm.html
So I went through the archived "Forecast Discussion" from the NWS, and found the following. As late as Christmas Eve, the storm was expected to basically miss most of the NY metro, excluding eastern Long Island and Connecticut. On Christmas morning, the possibility of a 6 to 9 inch snowstorm was forecast, and a “Winter Storm Watch” was issued. Someone should have been watching, because Christmas afternoon it was suddenly upgraded to a “Blizzard Warning.” It was still expected to be a powerful but not devastating storm in NYC until just after noon on Sunday, the day the storm hit, when the snow accumulation totals were updated. Bottom line: this storm put out more fakes than Michael Vick, so it is no surprise that a stunned city and MTA shanked a punt to Desean Jackson. The four “Forecast Discussions” follow in full: bold and italics were added by me. If you bore easily, just read those parts.
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
so it wasnt clear it was going to be a big storm until a little before it hit, and no one noticed because it was christmas, OK YOURE ALL OFF THE HOOK ITS CHRISTMAS
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
NBD CHRISTMAS
I lolled at the press conference that Monday morning where we was all proud that there was hot chocolate at the parks for the kids
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
its a christmas miracle
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
folks in cardiac arrest who can't be reached by EMS: NOT ENOUGH PREP TIME
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5720157/can-you-guess-which-street-is-mayor-bloombergs
in review: for my next trick i will suggest that you are being unreasonable and believe the city is destroyed forever
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
or rather ambulances (and plows) blocked by people who decided to abandon their cars in the middle of the street, but yeah, believe whatever story works for you xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I GUESS THAT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to go - but like it or not manhattan sidestreets deserve higher priority than sheepshead bay sidestreets, more people/buses/bikes/cars/delivery vans/etc. are gonna rely on bloomberg's street at any given moment. not true across the board, but in general, yeah, most of manhattan deserves priority.
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
also really love having "snow emergency" rules that officials don't think make sense, so they don't declare one. Maybe rule changes in July?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― iatee, Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:03 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol iatee r u just trolling at this point
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
guys MSP had a huge blizzard, everyone knew it was going to be big, but it was bigger than expected. this is supposed to be the first-class american city for snow removal this side of buffalo and those other lake-effect shitholes. but it still was enough to swamp the place. buses and even the plows themselves were getting stuck. the dome broke, as you may have seen. a college kid died in a house fire because fire crews couldn't get their trucks into those streets. both mpls and st paul declared back-to-back snow emergencies -- that's four days straight of restricted, move-your-car-every-eight-hours bullshit, and it still wasn't enough to clear all streets. there are crews chopping out intersections and bus stops even now.
i have my suspicions why it was so bad this time -- without looking at the books, my guess is the public sector is a little bit less lavish than in previous years about equipment. the cities had to borrow freeway-clearing equipment from the state DOT. so yeah, there's somewhat of a political angle in that political angle in that we ought to have more trucks, meaning $$, meaning taxes.
but you know who i blame really? the snow.
― goole, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
nope, unions
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
NYC is not comparable to MSP, the venom and hatred help melt the snow here.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
like, given the budgets they had, and the systems they had, i dunno what rybak (mpls) or coleman (stp) would or could have done differently. get out in a truck themselves? likewise i dunno what bloomberg could have done except not be a dick in a press conference.
there is a vid of a tow truck pulling a skid loader out of a drift and smashing like three cars tho, so maybe it's a problem of not much institutional or staff preparation for events like this -- the upper midwest deals with this shit so the public knows not to get too frustrated and the plow drivers know wtf they're doing.
xps well glad to know you're doing your part then morbs!
― goole, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
that vid is from NYC i mean
― goole, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
goole, we had essentially the same storm 10 months earlier, and the cleanup speed was night & day-different
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
well ok then, a hugely lowballed forecast and a holiday seem like the culprits?
― goole, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
in MA (specifically Boston/Cambridge/Somerville) they drastically lowball the budget for snow removal every year and hope they get lucky; odds are something similar happened here
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Most sentient adults know advance forecasts can't be trusted (also everyone I knew heard 'blizzard' 24 hrs beforehand), and re holidays this is the City That Never Sleeps.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
all the people freaking out sunday morning at the stores buying all the milk and bread knew the deal
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my god i'll never understand that. fuck!! buy the two most perishable goods there are!! we might be stuck!!
― goole, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
loading up on dairy products in a lactose-intolerant society when you think you're going to be shut in for several days just seems like poor planning no matter what angle you approach it from
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they were going to freeze it
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
reached the point where I don't even know when I'm trolling anymore
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link