Cassie: The new Ciara?

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imagine if cassie became this like post-chillwave witchhouse diva and started getting all this p4k play what would that do to cassie fanclub just wondering

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

like obv i would b into it

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi creep are working with nina sky atm

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

let's not get p4k involved

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

y, do u have some negative opinions about p4k and the bands they cover?

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

imagine if cassie became this like post-chillwave witchhouse diva and started getting all this p4k play what would that do to cassie fanclub just wondering

cassie is already halfway to this if you accept that post-dubstep is the UK witch-house/chillwave.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

i will concede this

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

cassie is already halfway to this if you accept that post-dubstep is the UK witch-house/chillwave.

when there are actual obvious connections and friendships between label owners and producers from witch house and (segments of) "post-dubstep", calling one the equivalent of the other is an odd way to put it

i still don't really know what chillwave is :/

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

o u r missing out, u would love it i can tell

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

when there are actual obvious connections and friendships between label owners and producers from witch house and (segments of) "post-dubstep", calling one the equivalent of the other is an odd way to put it

Lex that's part of what I meant though? "Equivalent" just means "kinda similar scene"?

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

having said that there's still a difference between Cassie turning up on a Deadboy release and her doing vocal for Salem's second album.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd probably be as psyched as plax about Cassie/Dress Well collabs. I mean - I would also love for her to release a real sophomore album already, but becoming a witchhouse diva would be pretty fucking awesome too. the half-shaved head, etc. work well with the whole 'concept'.

Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'd probably be as psyched as plax about Cassie/Dress Well collabs. I mean - I would also love for her to release a real sophomore album already, but becoming a witchhouse diva would be pretty fucking awesome too. the half-shaved head, etc. work well with the whole 'concept'.

Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

How are Dress Well witchhouse?

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

More importantly let's stop talking about all this stuff on this thread actually.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeha i think conflating them just erodes the differences - the fact that a group of people who are broadly in the same scene socially actually make stuff that's in different scenes musically kinda emphasises that? if they were all that similar they'd be in the same scene

xps

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

how to dress well is more post-chillwave rnb appropos

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, deadboy could easily pass as witchhouse if you didnt know

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

huge overlap in sound and increasingly imagery and mood

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

NOT how to dress well, christ, they can stay the fuck away

i'm really not bothered about whether the cassie album comes out actually: it's unlikely now that any of the 20 or so leaks i've loved in the past 3 years will make the cut. i want those songs to get their due but as i've said elsewhere, the most likely thing is some sort of retrospective rediscovering her as a cult artist 10 years hence

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

huge overlap in sound and increasingly imagery and mood

yeah a big part of the confusion is because "post-dubstep" covers such a broad spectrum of sounds and moods (being that it's kind of non-existent and all)

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I look forward to the inevitable Soul Jazz double cd curated by How To Dress Well and Salem in partnership.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Android Soundz"

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah but so does chillwave btw lex

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it would be more like ***anDroID*soundzzz***

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

... The futureproofed daring of Cassie's recorded work was deemed unacceptable by a facile and superficial listening public to busy wondering whether they should have put a ring on it, and Cassie was for a time consigned to a life in the underground, with homemade tapes handed around at witch-house parties. The growing cult finally earned a name for itself in 2012 when Salem dropped the rare 7 inch release "Cassie Fan Club" featuring prominent vocal samples from unreleased Cassie song "Skydiver"...

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

... The next major development in the Cassie Fan Club movement was How To Dress Well making a positive reference to her music on Twitter...

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

do salem read ilx or was cassiefanclub a bigger joke than i realised?

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

omg i am an idiot

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

tim finney! u!

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

i feel like i like this Oo\_/oO track more than the creep one

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

looool

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

ugh feel so embarrassed now ive been taken in by notorious internet prankster tim finney

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm old-fashioned and like to think that "scene" should still have some grounding in geography.

Still, seeing as her own scene has evidently decided it can't be bothered with Cassie she might as well go chasing the FACT magazine audience if only to give her something to do. Still, Cassie doing witch house would be appalling, Cassie doing post-dubstep probably not much better. Shame this couldn't have fallen in a way that involved her voicing icy MIA-style minimal, but that obviously won't happen.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk you have to imagine that if these guys are really that into her music, they would um keep that in mind when producing stuff for her if i mean you know that were ever to happen

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

that is, its not certain that the dude from htdw would try and manhandle her into his sound.

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

The history of cross-genre collaborations suggests the exact opposite actually.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

History of tunes sampling Cassie to date supports matt more than plax here.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

sampling is kindof a diff thing tho right?

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah like maybe thats just optimism and naivety, optimism and naivety

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alright bootlegging or remixing her vocals then.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also what would be the point of oOoOO or Girl Unit or whoever just making a fake Connecticut Fever type track? Better to put together a collaborative track that suits the producer AND actually plays to her strengths, but from what I've heard of witch house in particular its a genre exceptionally ill-suited to her. Likewise anything with exceptionally heavy dubstep bass would make her voice sound ridiculously thin.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

from what I've heard of witch house in particular its a genre exceptionally ill-suited to her

as i said, creep would be my pick - their sound isn't as overwhelming as salem/white ring, their track with romy xx displays surprising pop instincts and they're working with nina sky, who aren't a million miles from cassie vocally.

kingdom sampling cassie obv worked really well, too.

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

and most of the remixes on the skydiver package turned out alright! brackles and slackk maybe the picks there.

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

ew gross the kingdom thing was all wrong, i love him and all but no

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

tbf this isnt a million miles away from a ryan leslie production.

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

kind of weird if the narrative is becoming that Cassie's music is just too out there or forward-thinking or something for the label whose 2 releases in the past year were Last Train To Paris and The ArchAndroid

some dude, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think that's really the narrative al, at least not now - but if Cassie does ultimately get the retrospective treatment you can bet that's how it'll be framed.

Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

wont it be more "too fragile and small, like a tiny precious flower that nobody noticed dancing in the wind"

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:14 (3 years ago) Permalink


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