i mean, that feels like a *pretty* self interested recommendation there, lex. u dont know what music i like at all.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
that said im listening to creep now and not OO00ooOO
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
it'd be a self-interested recommendation if i had anything to do with creep!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
imagine if cassie became this like post-chillwave witchhouse diva and started getting all this p4k play what would that do to cassie fanclub just wondering
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
like obv i would b into it
fyi creep are working with nina sky atm
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
let's not get p4k involved
y, do u have some negative opinions about p4k and the bands they cover?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
cassie is already halfway to this if you accept that post-dubstep is the UK witch-house/chillwave.
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i will concede this
when there are actual obvious connections and friendships between label owners and producers from witch house and (segments of) "post-dubstep", calling one the equivalent of the other is an odd way to put it
i still don't really know what chillwave is :/
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
o u r missing out, u would love it i can tell
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex that's part of what I meant though? "Equivalent" just means "kinda similar scene"?
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
having said that there's still a difference between Cassie turning up on a Deadboy release and her doing vocal for Salem's second album.
i'd probably be as psyched as plax about Cassie/Dress Well collabs. I mean - I would also love for her to release a real sophomore album already, but becoming a witchhouse diva would be pretty fucking awesome too. the half-shaved head, etc. work well with the whole 'concept'.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
How are Dress Well witchhouse?
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
More importantly let's stop talking about all this stuff on this thread actually.
yeha i think conflating them just erodes the differences - the fact that a group of people who are broadly in the same scene socially actually make stuff that's in different scenes musically kinda emphasises that? if they were all that similar they'd be in the same scene
xps
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
how to dress well is more post-chillwave rnb appropos
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
also, deadboy could easily pass as witchhouse if you didnt know
huge overlap in sound and increasingly imagery and mood
NOT how to dress well, christ, they can stay the fuck away
i'm really not bothered about whether the cassie album comes out actually: it's unlikely now that any of the 20 or so leaks i've loved in the past 3 years will make the cut. i want those songs to get their due but as i've said elsewhere, the most likely thing is some sort of retrospective rediscovering her as a cult artist 10 years hence
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah a big part of the confusion is because "post-dubstep" covers such a broad spectrum of sounds and moods (being that it's kind of non-existent and all)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I look forward to the inevitable Soul Jazz double cd curated by How To Dress Well and Salem in partnership.
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Android Soundz"
yah but so does chillwave btw lex
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it would be more like ***anDroID*soundzzz***
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
... The futureproofed daring of Cassie's recorded work was deemed unacceptable by a facile and superficial listening public to busy wondering whether they should have put a ring on it, and Cassie was for a time consigned to a life in the underground, with homemade tapes handed around at witch-house parties. The growing cult finally earned a name for itself in 2012 when Salem dropped the rare 7 inch release "Cassie Fan Club" featuring prominent vocal samples from unreleased Cassie song "Skydiver"...
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
... The next major development in the Cassie Fan Club movement was How To Dress Well making a positive reference to her music on Twitter...
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
do salem read ilx or was cassiefanclub a bigger joke than i realised?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
omg i am an idiot
tim finney! u!
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like i like this Oo\_/oO track more than the creep one
looool
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh feel so embarrassed now ive been taken in by notorious internet prankster tim finney
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm old-fashioned and like to think that "scene" should still have some grounding in geography.
Still, seeing as her own scene has evidently decided it can't be bothered with Cassie she might as well go chasing the FACT magazine audience if only to give her something to do. Still, Cassie doing witch house would be appalling, Cassie doing post-dubstep probably not much better. Shame this couldn't have fallen in a way that involved her voicing icy MIA-style minimal, but that obviously won't happen.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
idk you have to imagine that if these guys are really that into her music, they would um keep that in mind when producing stuff for her if i mean you know that were ever to happen
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
that is, its not certain that the dude from htdw would try and manhandle her into his sound.
The history of cross-genre collaborations suggests the exact opposite actually.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
History of tunes sampling Cassie to date supports matt more than plax here.
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
sampling is kindof a diff thing tho right?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yah like maybe thats just optimism and naivety, optimism and naivety
Alright bootlegging or remixing her vocals then.
― Tim F, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Also what would be the point of oOoOO or Girl Unit or whoever just making a fake Connecticut Fever type track? Better to put together a collaborative track that suits the producer AND actually plays to her strengths, but from what I've heard of witch house in particular its a genre exceptionally ill-suited to her. Likewise anything with exceptionally heavy dubstep bass would make her voice sound ridiculously thin.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
from what I've heard of witch house in particular its a genre exceptionally ill-suited to her
as i said, creep would be my pick - their sound isn't as overwhelming as salem/white ring, their track with romy xx displays surprising pop instincts and they're working with nina sky, who aren't a million miles from cassie vocally.
kingdom sampling cassie obv worked really well, too.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
and most of the remixes on the skydiver package turned out alright! brackles and slackk maybe the picks there.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ew gross the kingdom thing was all wrong, i love him and all but no
― plax (ico), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdw7pJHLNQI
tbf this isnt a million miles away from a ryan leslie production.
― plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link