Has The NME Got Good?

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TBF, literally everything on NME.com attracts both vicious and stupid commentary.

Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah I think they're 'NME readers' like the libertarian swivelheads on CiF are 'Guardian readers' (ie they might be, but it's such a nutbar magnet it's impossible to tell)

Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

I cant see metal fans being any worse than fans of other genres or people in general tbh. Im sure metal has come a long way since the days of sebastian bach & axl rose. That sort of behaviour wouldn't be tolerated anymore. Over on forever doomed, if anyone says something is "gay" or is "a fag" they get angry responses and a ban if they continue. Not every metal messageboard is like a pantera or ozzy/zakk wyle board. Those type of boards are always mocked by a lot of metal boards.
I doubt lairy indie gigs are a great place to go to. Oasis concerts aren't exactly full of enlightened punters. I used to go see oasis in the 90s and by the time of loch lomond every beer monster in scotland was into them, and with all the bottle fights etc it was certainly no fun. I doubt Knebworth was much better. Since Britpop, Indie has attracted a lot of assholes. NME should be dealing with that before having a go at metal or hip hop etc

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

And your kerrang reader might like a lot of shite bands, but i dont think they could be accused of homophobia now.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dunno who is worse - the NME or the readers of NME on the message board.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Even Pitchfork gets metal more than the NME does.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

NME writes about metal and hip-hop much more often than Kerrang or The Source write about indie though.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'll wager that's untrue.

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the 90s Kerrang covered a lot of alt-rock and they covered white stripes and the hives etc too in the 00s. So Geir, you're wrong.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol metal is shit

moholy-nagl (history mayne), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I thought metal had lots of gay or bisexual fans. I mean "metal" as opposed to "I just like to rock the fuck out" dinosaur types. Go to a metal show and you see leather and tattoos and piercings, not the kind of people to judge someone else's lifestyle.

Mass market "indie" has, IME, loads of straight people who just don't feel "comfortable" with homosexuality, not that they are prejudiced or anything because that would be illiberal and bad.

Cubby Wubby Nubby Hubby Dubby (u s steel), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Metal has a lot of gay and bisexual fans. Not as much as like, industrial, but... well, I know a lot of metal dudes who like them some cock.

no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Go to a metal show and you see leather and tattoos and piercings, not the kind of people to judge someone else's lifestyle.

haven't really found that the first thing is that likely to preclude the second thing, tbh, but maybe my experience isn't the norm

Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the 90s Kerrang covered a lot of alt-rock and they covered white stripes and the hives etc too in the 00s. So Geir, you're wrong.

Grunge = metal. I am speaking of proper indie, you know, Britpop!

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean, stuff that doesn't "rock" at all in any possible way.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

geir has never heard of indie rock?

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well, yep, indie rock exists. But if seems so important for some of you to open indie pop fans' ears to hip-hop and metal, why wouldn't it be equally important to open hip-hop-fans and metal-fans to highly melodic classic and smooth POP?

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

My point here. At least NME (although Q are probably better at it) review a lot of metal and hip-hop. Yes, maybe just the biggest acts, but at least they review them.

How many reviews of Crowded House or Blur were there in Kerrang or Source or Mixmag?

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and NME review mainstream chart pop too. Do Kerrang review mainstream chart pop (and I am not speaking of typical albums acts like AC/DC or Iron Maiden here=?

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Kerrang in the 80s covered U2, Prince, Kate Bush, Bryan Adams, Michael Bolton. + a whole bunch of crappy glam pop-metal acts. It's always covered pop metal bands.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway Geir, NME, Q are general music magazines, they are supposed to cover all kinds of music. Mixmag, Source,Kerrang are specialist magazines.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pop metal=metal.

But sure, Kerrang is probably a bit more openminded than specialist mags for harder metal genres, whose fans don't even consider Iron Maiden or Guns'n'Roses to be hard rock, but rather just "rock".

Not to mention magazines like The Source or Mixmag, who would never even dream of covering something that doesn't contain rap/does not work on the dancefloors of the clubs.

NME and Q cover the biggest names from metal, hard rock, hip-hop and techno/dance. Surely, it is probably a waste of space, just like it would be if Mixmag had done a powerpop special. But at least they do, and then I think it's a bit unfair to claim that NME and Q need to be more openminded when actually they are more openminded towards hip-hop, dance and metal than hip-hop, dance or metal mags will ever be towards indie rock/indie pop.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

NME and Q's readers are into indie and various kinds of (non metal) "rock". And that is really what they want to read about too.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

And if you are speaking of the fans I think they are on an equal level.

Rock/pop fans are not openminded towards anything else than rock and perhaps classic pop
Hip-hip fans are not openminded towards anything else than hip-hop and perhaps R&B
Dance fans are not openminded towards anything else than dance and maybe a bit of R&B or hip-hop as long as they can dance to it
Metal fans are not openminded towards anything else than metal and maybe some of the hardest non-metal rock.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geir, I know ilx metal fans aren't atypical metal fans, but even outside of ilx i know loads who like many forms of dance music but especially IDM. Neurosis fans especially tend to be Aphex Twin fans. Many love hip hop. Many love indie rock esp 80s & 90s stuff. On metal boards ive discussed pfunk (surprise surprise) ,krautrock,classic pop & rock of the kind you love, avant garde,prog rock, the list is endless.
Possibly if you are talking about the fans of the most mainstream acts in those genres you might be right, but then, a lot of people do like basically anything that gets in the charts, whether its indie pop, pop rap, pop dance, pop rnb,popmetal etc.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Now, ILX posters are mostly openminded towards anything except for traditionally structure melodic songs written and performed by white guys with guitars after 1990.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well, yep, indie rock exists. But if seems so important for some of you to open indie pop fans' ears to hip-hop and metal, why wouldn't it be equally important to open hip-hop-fans and metal-fans to highly melodic classic and smooth POP?

― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, January 5, 2011 7:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

For the record, some of my favorite bands include Electric Wizard, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath AND The New Pornographers, Mates of State, Yo La Tengo, and The Eels... so its quite possible to be a fan of both metal and indie pop.

Also, I know a few dudes who listen to only hip-hop, r&b, and stoner rock/metal.

So, this dichotomy of pop vs. metal, I believe, is a false one.

no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

And I love a lot of indie pop too. Plus my favourite album ever is Forever Changes. A lot of the 60s pop geir likes, I do too.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Does Geir like Forever Changes?

Urban Coochie Collective (sic), Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Algerian Goalkeeper: I agree with a lot of what you're saying but generally speaking NME is an indie magazine not a general magazine and has been since I've been reading it. (i.e. Since the early 80s.)

Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 09:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

How many reviews of Crowded House were there in Kerrang or Source or Mixmag?

― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:20 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Same number as in NME over the past 10.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Algerian Goalkeeper: I agree with a lot of what you're saying but generally speaking NME is an indie magazine not a general magazine and has been since I've been reading it. (i.e. Since the early 80s.)

Yeah but the thing is that the NME pretends to be a generalist music magazine. Kerrang or Mixmag or Classic Rock magazine don't.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure that it does really but as I'm not going to start arguing devil's advocate for NME, I'll leave this here.

Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but the thing is that the NME pretends to be a generalist music magazine

only in the sense that pitchfork does. this is what's long irked me, it's trying to have your cake and eat it - they lay claim to generalism, but as soon as anyone criticises either for not actually being very generalist at all, it's all "we're an indie publication! we have to cater to our readers!"

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think that the NME has ever explicitly laid claim to being either "indie" or "generalist". It's never hemmed itself in with definitions, has it?

mike t-diva, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork is about as generalist as a generalist music magazine can get btw. Stylus and Plan B were maybe better but rip.

When I used to read it btw the Source used to cover indie. It was at the rise of lol pharrell is wearing skinny jeans and holding a skateboard tho.

"jobs" (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

well yeah that's the having cake/eating it thing isn't it?

"we are ~beyond categorisation~ but it just happens that 90% of what we cover is indie"

xp

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mean no one ever explicitly states that generalism is their raison d'être - it's more implied through, yes, not specifically categorising oneself

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

The NME certainly laid claim to generalism in the 90s, "we cover what we consider to be good regardless of genre" was its line. And while they did cover most things they were still heavily weighted towards indie.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

The NME exists to make money, so it's whatever kind of publications the editors think will do that.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Editors/owners, I mean.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Reinvention as a softcore porn and gadgets weekly coming up in 2 weeks then

Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Don't be stupid. No one pays for porn any more.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha ot but I love how geir's example of extreme stereo "separatation" is Ocean Colour Scene. never change, man

missingNO, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geir discovers audiophilia is sure to be a goldmine in the future.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

When I started reading NME in the very early 90s they insisted they were a pop magazine (and in one of those bands review songs things Thom Yorke claimed Radiohead were a pop band).
They definitely liked to give the impression that they were a general music magazine not just indie.

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Did NME cover a lot of hip-hop in the late 80s?

Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rap makes the front cover, 1988

onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think the Beasties made the cover a couple of times in the 80s, maybe Public Enemy (I remember them on cover of Melody Maker, not sure about NME). Then not much else until Wu-Tang about 5 years later.

They always had a couple of non indie record reviews and the occasional feature but it was never really a as broad a publication as it professed to be imo (I read MM and NME from around 84-90).

onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

NME May 30 1981.

Madchen, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink


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