all rappers suck when they stop leading the fans and the fans start leading them
I have no idea what this means
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
did the fans lead him to make Ghostdini? or did they lead him to make this album? how is this 'leading' accomplished anyway
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The fan replied, “My Ghostface, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you.”
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
following up his smallest album with a 180 named after his biggest album
is the new
30 is the new 20 oh wait wait wait watching this movie helped me remember some more illegal shit i did in my youth, please don't leave
rappers are pathetic
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
just saying
ghostdini is Where He Was Going and fans are one-dimensional pieces of shit who pulled him back into hoe-handcuffing that's below him
you don't have to like ghostdini but it helps if most of its detractors admitted they only listen to one kind of rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI Ironman is his biggest record
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to know what is the only one kind of rap i listen to since i didn't like Ghostdeini
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i like both kinds of music, hip and hop
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
also helps if they didn't act more grossed out by "absorb pussy juice like a sponge" than "we've got whores on all fours waiting to do all four of us"
i don't know you man, but i hope you wouldn't bash it for what it is if you know full well that "going r&b" albums aren't to your taste
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't remember Ghostdini getting a lot of hate around here. Cohen obviously hated it.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
blasphemer
i don't recall ever "bashing" it, just didn't like it for the exact reaon you nailed - i don't listen to Ghost for his r&b side, i don't mind a track or two on a record, i just can't get down with a whole album of it (not to say deini didn't have some worthwhile tunes, just not my kind of thing; fwiw i'm not declaring Apollo Kids to be some "return to form" either, just a better record than the last couple
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hating on a rapper for making an R&B album is like some sub-mid-90s "you can new jack swing on my nuts" throwback silliness (not saying yr doin this jon. maybe Cohen is to some extent)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
like I didn't even know such genre purists still existed
can we all just agree the last three are all "pretty good" and be done with it
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get how not liking one particular facet of Ghost's personality means i'm hating on him
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
did you read the part of my post where I specifically said I wasn't accusing you of doing that
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 3, 2011 6:55 PM Bookmark
or maybe some late 00s "death of autotune" silliness
― pomp la familia (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
but Cohen gets TWO digs in at Ghostdini in his review, including this one: it's tempting to overrate it due a general relief that he didn't try to make Ghostdini again.
so I kinda think yeah maybe he is an annoying genre puritan. Someone more familiar with his writing/ouevre (Alfred?) can maybe shed some light
xp
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Grand Puba made my favorite 00s autotune rap song btw lol
Wizard Of Poetry would have sounded 30x better if it wasn't mostly shitty keyboard presets, and was mostly Ghost over live instruments or classic "crying over old R&B loops" stylee
^hip-hop rockist
― Urban Coochie Collective (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ghost's R&B songs are dope -- bp wallets & pretty toney did a great job w/ the new school / old school R&B thing
the problem is just that he kept reiterating those ideas over & over again starting w/ fishscale
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
he has four classic records & a bunch of diminishing returns records. pretty tony is the last great one
fuiud
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
pfft
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
what does 'back like that' do for you that wasnt already done on pretty toney
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
"back like that" is the only song I don't like on that album. Also since when do rappers you like have to be insanely different on every album?
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
'insanely different' sorta stacks the deck no
i do ask that artists try, you know, new ideas, on new albums, when their shtick starts to get tired
i actually like 'back like that' way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, yes I know that Tame Impala fans might know who Dilla and Doom are, but you're overcompensating here
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
the 'ghostface does no wrong' thing is nonsense. a schtick is a schtick no matter how consistently deployed
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for god's sake -- who has said THAT?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the album where he's doing breakneck rhymes over tinny-ass Stones Throw beats is def a departure from his schtick
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, I guess I agree with deej, in part. This is a pretty mediocre album, the successor to another mediocre album which nevertheless received intelligent, guarded praise and a pretty solid but inessential album from 2007. You can argue that he's in a "slump" or he's entered the Expert Craftsman stage of his career, I guess, but what he does isn't "schtick": even on More Fish and TBDR and Ghostdini it's smart and surprising. AK is the only one in which I see real treading water.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
more fish is really underrated too. to me that's ghost in the nothing-new-but-nothing-bad mode that he's supposedly doing on apollo kids except leftover fishscale beats and stories are so much more focused and idiosyncratic (and hooky: "good") that at least the lows are goofs that sound like ghost being ghost. apollo kids sounds like tony yayo returned the favor.
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde
― those balls look like a butt (San Te), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
damn was hoping that was still mod-repurposed
I think hating R&B is not super-conducive to "getting" Ghostface, but that's just me.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney is right that Back Like That is the worst song on Fishscale
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Naw.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
deej what is ghostface's "schtick" exactly?
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Back Like That is awesome, wtf! It's fucking brutal
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i do like back like that a lot btw
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
still sounds like it should have been on pretty toney tho
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"jellyfish" f/ fishscale is something else...
― Sanford, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
[way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals
lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Be Easy's the high point of the album for me. Don't give a fuck about Jay Dee and never have.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:42 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
the dilla cult is rivaled only by nas stands for corniness at this pointi like dilla but he doesnt blend w/ ghost well. they are not pb&j, more pb&chewing gum
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link