eh Pfork review runs pretty contrary to my evaluations of his last half dozen albums
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
do u think they're all great or something?
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
no they aren't ALL great. but Ghostdini is great. better than this album
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
like Big Doe Rehab is a totally slapped together, half-assed affair, I can't remember if anything at all on it is particularly worthwhile, but the latest Pfork review seems pretty muddled - I'm not sure what they want from Ghost. For him to not "try so hard" to crossover and go back to all RZA beats or something? I don't quite get it.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Walk Around"? "Yolanda's House"?
btw I think this record is as good as BDR (i.e. in the B+-B range).
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah Walk Around, that one's great. is Yolanda's House the one where the woman's kids throw the guy out the window? that song is crazy.
oh the Shakey Dog cut on BDR is good too.
in conclusion, even his worst stuff has awesome bright spots.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
ah I was thinking of "Maxine"
In Pam's house there was money missingShe was too dumb, had her nose numb, sniffin blow in the kitchenHer kids never ate, PCW involved with herKids that she never seen shipped through to FloridaMaxine dark skinned and bal' headed bitch meanPams right here together they're the coldest fiendsAh! Shit! Guess who arrived at the doorit's Moony the supplier swung open the doorBitch open the door, Maxine he go'n kill meChill I got a friend cop, girl you don't know it's beefThree long kicks the hinges flew offKids sreamin' they happy faced slapped blue, Maxine head offIt's on in the crib, you wrong for what you did"You gonna pay Pam, fuck that boo kissed your kidsY'all get the fuck in the room, fuck you, you ain't are real DaddyNext time you see my caddy don't fucking flag me[R] This is where he fucks up at peep his movementMaxine's in the kitchen crying grits is falling on the sideShe had a cup of lye, somebody gots to dieUh huh, y'all bitches fucked up, smoked out my packagesYou had Mackie shit and Pappy shit?
Word to Aunt May I want mine, pulled out the nineGet in the tub, he seen the hot iron pulled the plug outHe steamed Pam brought it back to Penny on Good TimesBack in the dollar bill he sniffed like six linesHe put his Gat down, why he do that?Creeping through the crib is Maxine pot holdin' down with the gritsPam sucking his dick, Maxine Al Greened him screaming slipped in pissHe ran into Ceas' room, grits down cryin' aight with his balls outHe stepped on Clarences' Biggie Smalls albumMooney get that niggaz, Pam yelling rip that niggazMooney went and got that dye out the kitchenJames jumped on Moon, poked him with a screw driverBroke the TV Niggaz watching Knight Rider
This is Pam Jerkins mother house the same shit go on in her brother house
You know Mooney is only a buck o'five wethe only had two hundred dollars worth of shitAnd the kids tore his ass up, the Ceas had a huddle upI felt sorry for'm, the funny shit when bowlegged Keke hopped on 'imJumped on him pigeon toed Moony poured dye on himYou should've seen his motherfuckin' face fryin', half dyin'They stuck a fork through his nutsthe little girl was happy she beat the brotha upQuick pick the window up Mooney over heardRight before they threw him out the Nigga said Word!?!
On the count of three he landed on the first floor balconyBlood brains splashed.. he was dead? and the cops never cameThat's Stapleton
All, all, all in together nowWe getting fresh getting right for the weather nowAnd if we fall in the game, yo that's never nowCome to my projects and we'll air you out
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
maxine is off bulletproof wallets
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
pfork review otm but the rating doesnt match the general lack of enthusiasm in the review -- would think 5.0-5.5 based on the words alone
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah bit of a disconnect there
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I do agree with most of it; Cohen's one of my favorite hip-hop critics.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought most of it was cocksure babble
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
like why would anyone not hear anything since supreme clientele and then be shocked by wizard? why is this presented like it actually happened? is the residue of the years in the interim really tush, back like that & back like that remix? and so on
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder what deej thought of like every place in the world who reviewed this bfore his place of work did and he revived the thread lol
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, those are his biases. Cohen doesn't like R&B, never has.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
He doesn't throw his darts sideways anymore, but without sort of bullshit clutter, he's still an incredibly ostentatious lyricist, just one that's easier to parse.
UNLIKE U THEN ooo burn hi 5
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeh that's what's i was thinking tbh, like it's fine to not like wizard just say so, no need for bizarro universalist narrative
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of hate contemporary R&B too but Ghostdini's take on it appealed to me (which I elaborated on on the Ghostdini thread iirc)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway "all-r&b" is more press release than reality for wizard
i have no interest in hearing this record so im not gonna weigh in in his defense
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why'dja bring it up then
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i no longer harbor any fantasies of being a paid music editor anymore but in the event of some fluke, consider this an open invite for zvookster to write for me anytime
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
read the review, seemed 'relevant'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
thx for your important contribution deej
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
this album's probably the first time i've been genuinely disappointed by ghostface, though i bitched a little about big doe rehab at the time and have since repented
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
blasting this in my car made me appreciate it a little more, tbh
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
welcome to rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
if this is the first time you've been "genuinely disappointed" by Ghostface, I have to wonder when you started listening, July 2010? I mean, that is almost part and parcel of following the guy
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
all rappers suck when they stop leading the fans and the fans start leading them
r.e.m. too
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what this means
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
did the fans lead him to make Ghostdini? or did they lead him to make this album? how is this 'leading' accomplished anyway
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The fan replied, “My Ghostface, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you.”
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
following up his smallest album with a 180 named after his biggest album
is the new
30 is the new 20 oh wait wait wait watching this movie helped me remember some more illegal shit i did in my youth, please don't leave
rappers are pathetic
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
just saying
ghostdini is Where He Was Going and fans are one-dimensional pieces of shit who pulled him back into hoe-handcuffing that's below him
you don't have to like ghostdini but it helps if most of its detractors admitted they only listen to one kind of rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI Ironman is his biggest record
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to know what is the only one kind of rap i listen to since i didn't like Ghostdeini
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i like both kinds of music, hip and hop
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
also helps if they didn't act more grossed out by "absorb pussy juice like a sponge" than "we've got whores on all fours waiting to do all four of us"
i don't know you man, but i hope you wouldn't bash it for what it is if you know full well that "going r&b" albums aren't to your taste
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't remember Ghostdini getting a lot of hate around here. Cohen obviously hated it.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
blasphemer
i don't recall ever "bashing" it, just didn't like it for the exact reaon you nailed - i don't listen to Ghost for his r&b side, i don't mind a track or two on a record, i just can't get down with a whole album of it (not to say deini didn't have some worthwhile tunes, just not my kind of thing; fwiw i'm not declaring Apollo Kids to be some "return to form" either, just a better record than the last couple
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hating on a rapper for making an R&B album is like some sub-mid-90s "you can new jack swing on my nuts" throwback silliness (not saying yr doin this jon. maybe Cohen is to some extent)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
like I didn't even know such genre purists still existed
can we all just agree the last three are all "pretty good" and be done with it
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get how not liking one particular facet of Ghost's personality means i'm hating on him
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
did you read the part of my post where I specifically said I wasn't accusing you of doing that
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 3, 2011 6:55 PM Bookmark
or maybe some late 00s "death of autotune" silliness
― pomp la familia (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link