most of the teenagers I talk to that give a shit about Hip Hop don't have much interest in history.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (13 seconds ago)
don't necessarily think this is a problem, i mean i'm not sure if the east riding ukhh scene is going to be the atlanta of the 2k10s, but a little less record-collector piety might be worth a try
like i'd guess those odd future etc reets are only selectively schooled in the lore -- a partial, misinformed history is maybe better than encyclopedism or ~eclecticism~
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
his ownxp
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
xp
oh nakh yeah I wasn't saying this was in any way a problem, just that I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised at kids not having heard of The Infamous. Plus reiterating the stuff about it being a list for NME readers i.e. who gives a fuck about them anyway?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything the scene kids are a bawhair away from being corny undie mfers anyway, the mainstream guys just seem to randomly dig whatever's vaguely crossed over plus odd stuff from god knows where. any yes Hull is high on the list of Least Urban cities in the Yoo Kay too.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i wouldn't be surprised xp....i mean some of these names don't mean a lot to me
a hoy hoy is clearly through the looking glass itt
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOkeYyrwB6g
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I think we've got an EP of theirs lying somewhere round the house
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
these are like standard "100 best hip hop records ever" records btw, so let's not act like ahoy is totally crazy. nme kids prob haven't heard any queensbridge hip hop but u still don't put illmatic in the issue u present as secret sounds.
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
they didn't put illmatic in iirc
also (i've said this elsewhere) the list has 'the marble index' and xtc and the go-betweens and felt so it isn't *that* obscure
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the argument "nme kids haven't hear this" mayne
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
nah that's quibbling. "secret sounds" to their readership is a different thing. moaning about the NME's choice of music coverage is like getting radge cos X Factor doesn't have enough chillwave acts on it.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah it's uk-centric and honestly in the mid-90s queensbridge rap, it wasn't a thing a whole lot of nme readers or writers read or wrote about
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
the problem itt appears to be that it's an nme list full of music ilx people actually like
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
nas has had chart hits in the uk, mobb deep didn't. that's just how it was.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
also they'd purged all the journos that gave a shit about Hip Hop by '91
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
these are like standard "100 best hip hop records ever" records btw
apart from all the 00s lost-in-the-landfill indie on there a majority of the list is pretty standard "100 best [genre] records ever" records - doesn't mean most of the world knows or cares about them
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Is this list linked anywhere so that I don't have to buy the NME to know what you're talking about?
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
01.Clor <Clor>200502.Performance <(we are) Performance>200703.Jenny Wilson <love and youth >200504.Leadbelly <last session>194805.the shaggs <philosophy of the world > 196906.the wipers < is this real > 198007.young marble giants <colossal youth>198008.shonen knife <burning farm > 198309.jad fair <great expectations >198910.Felt <forever breathes the lonely word >198611.john phillips<john , the wolfking of LA >197012.bad brains <roir >198213.atlas strategic <that's familiar >200214.jonathan richman and the modern lovers <modern lovers 88> 198815.the electric prunes <underground >196716.the television personalities <they could have been bigger than the beatles >198217.the red crayola <the parable of arable land > 196718.love <da capo>196719.euphoria <a gift from euphoria > 196920.the field mice < skywriting >199021.satisfact <the unwanted sounds of satisfact >199622.eliane radigue <adnos 1-3>1975-198323.the zombies <odessey and oracle >196824.the associates <sulk >198225.magazine <real life > 197826.pop levi <the return to form black majick party > 200727.jay farrar / benjamin gibbard <one fast move or im gone :kerouac's big sur >200928.floraline <floraline > 199929.arthur russell <calling out of context > 200430.mccarthy <i am a wallet >198731.cluster < zuckerzeit >197432.the prisoners < thewisermiserdemelza>198333.the cardigans <long gone before daylight >200334.60ft dolls <the big 3>199635.thomas dolby <the flat earth >198436.jeffrey lee pierce <wildweed >198537.simple minds <reel to real cacophony >197938.ABC<beauty stab >198339.the bodines <played >198740.john cale <fear >197441.cocteau twins < heaven or las vegas>199042.crass <the feeding of the 5000>197843.eater <the album >197744.the dancing did <and did those feet >198245.organisation < tone float >197046.LFO <frequencies>199147.boards of canada < twoism>199548.motorbass <pansoul >199649.position normal <goodly time >200050.freestyle fellowship < innercity griots >199351. all night radio < spirit stereo frequency >200452.chick corea <my spanish heart >197653.nico < the marble index>196954.queen <queen >debut album55.the kossoy sisters <bowling green >195656.the germs < GI >197957.orphan boy < shop local >200858.the pretty things < sf sorrow >196859.cardinal < cardinal >199460.the red devils < king king >199261.michael hurley< have moicy > 197662.jens lekman < night falls over kortedala >200763.curtis mayfield < curtis live !>197164.lizzy mercier descloux< mambo nassau >200365.XTC <white music >197866.serge gainsbourg < you're under arrest >198767.the for carnation <the for carnation >200068.jarcrew <jarcrew >200369.studio < west coast >200770.huggy bear < our troubled youth >199271.this heat <deceit >198172.superstar <palm tree>199773.skinnyman <council estate of mind >200474.jeffrey foucault <ghost repeater>200675.mclusky < mclusky do dallas >200276.suicide 197777.suicide 198078.the prids < chronosynclastic >201079.moebius and plank <rastakraut pasta >198080.fleetwood mac < mirage >198281.howlin' wolf < this howling wolf's new ablum , he doesn's like it . he didn'g lke his electric guitar at first either >196982.edgar 'jones' jones < soothing music for stray cats >200583.smif -n-wessun <dah shinin ' >199584.PETE ROCK AND CL SMOOTH < MECCA AND THE SOUL BROTHER >199285.DIAMOND D <STUNTS BLUNTS AND HIP HOP>199286.MOBB DEEP <THE INFAMOUS >199587.BRAND NUBIAN < ONE FOR ALL >199088.SHIT AND SHINE< JEALOUS OF SHIT AND SHINE >200689.90 DAY MEN < CRITICAL BAND >200090.SANDY DENNY AND THE STRAWBS < ALL OUR OWN WORK>197391.FANNY <MOTHER 'S PRIDE >197392.THE GO-BETWEENS <16 LOVERS LANE >198893.THE WALKMEN <YOU AND ME >200894.JUNIOR BOYS < SO THIS IS GOODBYE >200695.FIGHT CLUB < CAT FARM FABOO >198496.BLACK REBEL MOTORCYCLE CLUB < HOWL >200597.SUN RA < THE HELIOCENTRIC WORLDS OF SUN DA >196598.JACKIE MCLEAN AND MACHAEL CARVIN < ANTIQUITY >197499.morrissey < bona drag >1990100. the buff medways < steady the buff >2002
― BIG HOOTY aka the Sapperticker (electricsound),
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh for god's sake. Anyone seriously arguing that this list is too obvious or not obscure enough is an idiot.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The Clor record at #1 is, Love & Pain aside, pretty awful though.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I might actually go and buy the NME this week to reward them for putting West Coast in there though.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
you'd have to be a beast not to like The Shaggs but I rilly don't think we need any more shmindie bands being influenced by them.
Anyway fuck polling this but I think the Black Rebel Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club made me laugh longest and hardest.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think the list was really ranked- when I flicked through, it was presented as "Mark Ronson's hip hop 5", "MGMT are a bit psychedelic, so here's their 10" sort of idea.
― Neil S, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Why should the NME readers need to check out some of the weakest albums by XTC, ABC and Queen?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"Odessey & Oracle" is the only classic in that list btw, with "The Flat Earth" probably the closest otherwise (Thomas Dolby's classic was his debut album though).
what don't you like about young marble giants?
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Worst album by Simple Minds up there too. This is really pointless, really. Why couldn't they have recommended "The Lexicon Of Love" and "New Gold Dream Instead". Or "Alphabet City", for that matter, which is a much better album than "Beauty Stab" and yet not at all in the "canon"?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lexicon of love was given away as a free .flac download to suicidegirls subscribers so most nme readers have already heard it
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Then, "Alphabet City" would be the one. Or "How To Be a Zillionaire". Both really good and underrated pop albums, unlike the horrible "Beaty Stab", on which "SOS" was the only decent song.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Geir, why do you care what NME does? It's not like it will influence anyone in Norway.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually a lot of Norwegians read NME. We hardly have music mags here at all (market for rock specialist mags just not big enough) so we are stuck with the English and American ones. And NME/Q/Mojo/Select sell considerably better here than Rolling Stone/Spin.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Was giving a lift in my car to a couple of 22-year-old students from Manchester over Christmas, both of whom were pretty cool, highly web-literate ect. One asked "is this the Smiths?" when Bigmouth came on the stereo and the other thought the intro to It's My Life heralded a Gwen Stefanu tune. I guess the romantic in me loves the potential effect this list could have on them, especially given that it can be accessed without needing to risk precious ££ as would have been the case when I was a nipper.
― Madchen, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the intro to It's My Life heralded a Gwen Stefanu tune
i only realised the no doubt version of this wasn't the original a few months ago! (i have never heard the original.)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link
it's funny, in this thread, seeing how people are still holding a candle for the nme (or their idea of what the nme should be)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it ties into a need that some fans have for a canonical "paper of record", plus nostalgia for being 17? bollocks to it all tho.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah both that need and that nostalgia are basically super lol to me
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Having the Prisoners on there almost redeems the rest of the list.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:19 (thirteen years ago) link
btw 17 year olds have seen 8 Mile, they know what fucking Shook Ones is.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, January 3, 2011 4:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
so why even fucking bother?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, everyone who saw that movie from 2002 looked up the names of the songs
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it ties into a need that some fans have for a canonical "paper of record", plus nostalgia for being 17? bollocks to it all tho.― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
idk some people want to read informed opinion about pop music? that's the idea. same way that people still read newspapers when they could just read "citizen journalists". or when their boiler's broken they call in a plumber. otherwise you're left with, well, uninformed opinion.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
and bought the soundtrack iirc
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not that 'lol', they are virtually identical.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link
think she meant "they thought the song was by gwen stefani"
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Poor Dr Alban.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
some people want to read informed opinion about pop music?
yeah sure but was talking more about why people care about the NME as a "we cover everything equally well" icon rather than letting a thousand specialist comics bloom. valuing the NME in 2010 is a bit like thinking it's still 1975 in terms of how pop works and is consumed? obv the Free Market is evil but if there was that much call for well-written analysis of all strands of contemporary pop in one digestible weekly then there'd be a paper full of brilliant professional journos supplying that need?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
can't claim to know everything on that list, but these are impeccable:
04. leadbelly < last session> 194805. the shaggs < philosophy of the world > 196906. the wipers < is this real > 198007. young marble giants < colossal youth > 198008. shonen knife < burning farm > 198312. bad brains < bad brains (roir cassette) > 198217. the red crayola < the parable of arable land > 196718. love < da capo > 196723. the zombies < odessey and oracle > 196829. arthur russell < calling out of context > 200431. cluster < zuckerzeit > 197435. thomas dolby < the flat earth > 198440. john cale < fear > 197442. crass < the feeding of the 5000 > 197845. organisation < tone float > 197053. nico < the marble index > 196954. queen < queen > 197356. the germs < GI > 197958. the pretty things < sf sorrow > 196861. michael hurley < have moicy > 197663. curtis mayfield < curtis live! > 197164. lizzy mercier descloux < mambo nassau > 200365. XTC < white music > 197866. serge gainsbourg < you're under arrest > 198769. studio < west coast > 200771. this heat < deceit > 198175. mclusky < mclusky do dallas > 200276. suicide < suicide > 197779. moebius and plank < rastakraut pasta > 198080. fleetwood mac < mirage > 198281. howlin' wolf < this howling wolf's new album, he doesn't like it. he didn't like his electric guitar at first either. > 196986. mobb deep < the infamous > 199588. shit and shine < jealous of shit and shine > 200697. sun ra < the heliocentric worlds of sun ra > 1965
good list
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. in terms of "paper of record" I'm not playing the "bloggers can do everything paid journos can do" game but I am suggesting that somebody dropped the canon down the stairs and now it's all in bits and the NME in the Tweenties represents a slightly Quixotic effort at sellotaping all those bits back together.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
better than nothing imo. sorry i mean 'better than pitchfork'.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link
It is a good list, and the fact that they would even approach this sort of thing means that the Conor Mc era is well over and thank god. (It's clearly an issue made up at their leisure to be produced during the office closure over christmas)
A couple years ago, they asked for 'readers' to make up a 'focus group', I couldn't go but I do have to say they've done all the things I would have suggested.
To be fair though, there was a long period where loads of Music mags closed, so even managing to keep the paper existing is something that gives credit to McNic, but if the product is lame it's not worth saving.
Now, the product is not lame. OK, I don't need a Pulp retrospective, but someone does. And they had better have a wonderful Beefheart tribute issue now, they've had plenty of time (due to the guy dying just after the christmas issue went to press)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link