so basically yeah
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
god that rick ross part is disgusting and stupid
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
my beautiful dark twisted stock fantasy
― dayo, Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
still think the ross line ends with something like "kanye west sample/here's one for you to sample", but the alternative "kanye west sample/here's an example" isn't really that much better
― dayo, Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
true, but it's still the latter
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"here's one for example"
this video looks like shit, you guys seriously can't wait for someone besides yHITZ3 to drop something decent looking, fuck
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the das racist flash video game was way cooler than this
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
like seriously
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the das racist flash video game
m@tt you my og but...
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
haha it was kinda funny tho! this kanye video just blows
the das racist flash video game was about as good as the burger king xbox games that cost like $5
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 December 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, caramanica dropping truth bombs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/arts/music/03kanye.html?_r=1
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
haha feel like caramanica was just like"smh, gotta use my position to fight for good, and not evil"
― dayo, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
well he said it's his #3 album so i don't think he's really coming at it as a total crusader, just trying to talk some sense
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah - his point about institutions needing to give this a perfect score is sort of what I have been arguing since the beginning
― dayo, Monday, 3 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
eh i like caramanica but hey dude it's your third favorite album, you're part of the problem, stfu
― k3vin k., Monday, 3 January 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
“My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy” (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam) remains, six weeks after its release, a phenomenal album, third on my own year-end list, textured enough to still be revealing new crannies upon repeated listens, and alluring enough still to warrant those repeated listens.
PART OF THE PROBLEM
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yup
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
caramanica didn't go hard enough, because he actually liked the album
i also can't take that dude seriously after he wrote an actual new york times article about pitchfork reviews reviews - just thinking about the pitching/commissioning process behind that makes me want to indict both him and his editor for crimes against journalism
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
lex since you're here can i tell you i enjoyed your top 30 albs list a lot :)
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lex his #1 album was ross ;)
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
:D call all destroyer
:o at the idea of anyone's no 1 album being rick ross - PART OF THE PROBLEM
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i think even i would take dark stupid fantasy over the ross album
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I pretty much read this thread once, before I heard the album.
Now that I've listened to it several times, I'm considering reading the whole thread again.
What do you think? Go for it? Or terrible idea?
― alpine static, Monday, 3 January 2011 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i think this thread is meant to be experienced once and then forgotten as if it never existed
― those balls look like a butt (San Te), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Main reason I'd re-read it, I guess, is to find out if others also wish Ross got more clock on "Monster."
His little bit is one of my favorite things on the album, despite the sample/example rhyme.
― alpine static, Monday, 3 January 2011 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/01/on-white-she-devils/68822/
Ta-Nehisi throws his hat in the ring.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 3 January 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Nicki Minaj is a terror, and her closer on Monster called me back to Busta in the era of "Scenario."
wait...and not nicki on roman's revenge???
― dayo, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
where does he say 'but not on roman's revenge'?
― balls, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
'roman's revenge' is the explicit tribute to scenario so it's weird to see him say that nicki on 'monster' is the homage
― dayo, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
he said it reminds him of "Scenario," not that he cosiders it an homage. in fact sometimes I wonder if Nicki quoted Busta on that song because of how often she got compared to him after "Monster."
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
it reminded me of "Scenario" too, tbh
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
me too, said as much upthread. not as explicit as "roman's revenge", but very similar
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, January 3, 2011 5:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
gangster
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
caramanica OTM, whether or not he's part of the problem (note: the problem isn't people liking the kanye west album)
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
caramanica's piece seems like a have-your-cake-&-eat-it-too kinda thing to me, i dunno. you get to diss pfork & rs while still playing it safe by voting for the record? walk the walk imo
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
or at the very least, be specific about where your issues are coming up a la coates
caramanica's point isn't that it's a bad album. and how is you not especially liking the album but shouting down its detractors not a have-your-cake-&-eat-it-too kinda thing?
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
because im criticizing specific parts of their writing that i feel are inaccurate vs. his general distrust of, what, giving something a 5 star rating?
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
coates peice is awesome, just read it. but i won't fault caramanica simply for liking the album (i like it too). he's right about the tedium of willed consensus and especially about the odd institutional unwillingness to fairly evaluate a "moment-defining" record that obviously has at least as many weaknesses as strengths.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
he said it reminds him of "Scenario," not that he cosiders it an homage. in fact sometimes I wonder if Nicki quoted Busta on that song because of how often she got compared to him after "Monster."― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:42 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:42 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
huh! I haven't been following nicki's coverage/ I don't even OWN a TV so I didn't realize this was a point of ref for Nicki. makes sense I guess
― dayo, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
personally, i think it's great to have critics rally around one record like this. I didn't think we'd ever see that happen again, tbh
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i dont think he didnt make some good pts in there -- it just feels like a weird way of separating himself from the herd i guess
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the NYT piece reads like a hastily commissioned piece: another sign-of-the-times essay. It equivocates whenever you expect him to say, "Fuck off, this is excellent."
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:14 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah but the point is this feels like a circling the wagons type move
― dayo, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no idea what that means
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
it is insane to me that something like the Atlantic can still exist with an obstuse blog header like "On White She-Devils" instead of google-bating "Is Kanye West Worth The Hype?" ish
haha spoken like the originator of hipster puppies
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, January 3, 2011 9:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is really the key part, for me:
“My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy” may or may not have been the best album of 2010. Believe what you will. Either way it’s not even the best Kanye West album. So now what — turn it up to 11.0? Plead for extra credit? Develop a new ranking system?
i really just have a hard time believing that MBDTF is the favorite Kanye album of the majority of the people raving about it
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link