Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

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so basically yeah

god that rick ross part is disgusting and stupid

my beautiful dark twisted stock fantasy

still think the ross line ends with something like "kanye west sample/here's one for you to sample", but the alternative "kanye west sample/here's an example" isn't really that much better

true, but it's still the latter

"here's one for example"

this video looks like shit, you guys seriously can't wait for someone besides yHITZ3 to drop something decent looking, fuck

the das racist flash video game was way cooler than this

like seriously

the das racist flash video game

m@tt you my og but...

haha it was kinda funny tho! this kanye video just blows

the das racist flash video game was about as good as the burger king xbox games that cost like $5

damn, caramanica dropping truth bombs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/arts/music/03kanye.html?_r=1

haha feel like caramanica was just like"smh, gotta use my position to fight for good, and not evil"

well he said it's his #3 album so i don't think he's really coming at it as a total crusader, just trying to talk some sense

yeah - his point about institutions needing to give this a perfect score is sort of what I have been arguing since the beginning

eh i like caramanica but hey dude it's your third favorite album, you're part of the problem, stfu

“My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy” (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam) remains, six weeks after its release, a phenomenal album, third on my own year-end list, textured enough to still be revealing new crannies upon repeated listens, and alluring enough still to warrant those repeated listens.

PART OF THE PROBLEM

yup

caramanica didn't go hard enough, because he actually liked the album

i also can't take that dude seriously after he wrote an actual new york times article about pitchfork reviews reviews - just thinking about the pitching/commissioning process behind that makes me want to indict both him and his editor for crimes against journalism

lex since you're here can i tell you i enjoyed your top 30 albs list a lot :)

lex his #1 album was ross ;)

:D call all destroyer

:o at the idea of anyone's no 1 album being rick ross - PART OF THE PROBLEM

i think even i would take dark stupid fantasy over the ross album

I pretty much read this thread once, before I heard the album.

Now that I've listened to it several times, I'm considering reading the whole thread again.

What do you think? Go for it? Or terrible idea?

idk i think this thread is meant to be experienced once and then forgotten as if it never existed

Main reason I'd re-read it, I guess, is to find out if others also wish Ross got more clock on "Monster."

His little bit is one of my favorite things on the album, despite the sample/example rhyme.

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/01/on-white-she-devils/68822/

Ta-Nehisi throws his hat in the ring.

Nicki Minaj is a terror, and her closer on Monster called me back to Busta in the era of "Scenario."

wait...and not nicki on roman's revenge???

where does he say 'but not on roman's revenge'?

'roman's revenge' is the explicit tribute to scenario so it's weird to see him say that nicki on 'monster' is the homage

he said it reminds him of "Scenario," not that he cosiders it an homage. in fact sometimes I wonder if Nicki quoted Busta on that song because of how often she got compared to him after "Monster."

it reminded me of "Scenario" too, tbh

me too, said as much upthread. not as explicit as "roman's revenge", but very similar

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/01/on-white-she-devils/68822/

Ta-Nehisi throws his hat in the ring.

― Alex in Montreal, Monday, January 3, 2011 5:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

gangster

caramanica OTM, whether or not he's part of the problem (note: the problem isn't people liking the kanye west album)

caramanica's piece seems like a have-your-cake-&-eat-it-too kinda thing to me, i dunno. you get to diss pfork & rs while still playing it safe by voting for the record? walk the walk imo

or at the very least, be specific about where your issues are coming up a la coates

caramanica's point isn't that it's a bad album. and how is you not especially liking the album but shouting down its detractors not a have-your-cake-&-eat-it-too kinda thing?

because im criticizing specific parts of their writing that i feel are inaccurate vs. his general distrust of, what, giving something a 5 star rating?

coates peice is awesome, just read it. but i won't fault caramanica simply for liking the album (i like it too). he's right about the tedium of willed consensus and especially about the odd institutional unwillingness to fairly evaluate a "moment-defining" record that obviously has at least as many weaknesses as strengths.

he said it reminds him of "Scenario," not that he cosiders it an homage. in fact sometimes I wonder if Nicki quoted Busta on that song because of how often she got compared to him after "Monster."

― hann am0n tana (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:42 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

huh! I haven't been following nicki's coverage/ I don't even OWN a TV so I didn't realize this was a point of ref for Nicki. makes sense I guess

personally, i think it's great to have critics rally around one record like this. I didn't think we'd ever see that happen again, tbh

i mean, i dont think he didnt make some good pts in there -- it just feels like a weird way of separating himself from the herd i guess

the NYT piece reads like a hastily commissioned piece: another sign-of-the-times essay. It equivocates whenever you expect him to say, "Fuck off, this is excellent."

personally, i think it's great to have critics rally around one record like this. I didn't think we'd ever see that happen again, tbh

― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:14 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah but the point is this feels like a circling the wagons type move

i have no idea what that means

it is insane to me that something like the Atlantic can still exist with an obstuse blog header like "On White She-Devils" instead of google-bating "Is Kanye West Worth The Hype?" ish

haha spoken like the originator of hipster puppies