*a lot = maybe 2...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think I should add to what we were discussing above, that I think there's an element of self-fulfilling prophecy to the 'gangster rap is no longer big' thing anyway ... that its sales that drew so much attention to that phenomenon for so long anyway -- like do you think mainstream media would over 50 Cent if he hadnt been breaking sales records? so when media doesnt cover because they dont think there's a story there, as a mainstream phenomenon it ceases to exist anyway
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, just as an example, the youtube for yo gotti's biggest single this year has more than 3 million views & the one for the arcade fire from this year has 1.2 million.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
(and im not even counting the 5 star bitch rmx cuz im guessing the nicki appearance distorted that but btw it has FIFTEEN MILLION views)
jesus christ can we stop "add[ing] to what we were discussing above" pleaaaaseee for the love of sanity (a foreign concept to deej/whiney i know)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
how about you stop contributing bullshit
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll keep it pertinent to this thread
ilxor lecturing other people on quality control is like rolling stone lecturing other magazines on overrating rock albums made by 50 year olds
― a snooki and a killer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
take your own advice
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― a snooki and a killer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
low millions isn't really that big a number for youtube views at this point, tbh. and lol @ "bigger than the arcade fire" once again being the easy hurdle to fly every example over.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
do you think mainstream media would *cover* 50 Cent
that should read
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
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well i figured that the 'nabisco otm!' article about indie takeover here was a reasonable thing to be comparing it to.
compare gangster rap youtubes to whatever you want, al
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, was there any other reason you can think of that made this stuff a mainstream phenomena other than a bunch of suits in the media realizing that NWA was suddenly outselling tons of legacy artists?
okay, contributing to the thread, then... arcade fire live streamed a NY concert from MSG earlier this year, 3.7 M in one night --
"After the album dropped on August 3, the band teamed up with Vevo, YouTube and American Express to put on a live-streamed show at New York City’s Madison Square Garden. The stream attracted 3.7 million viewers, according to Google, and boasted a ton of interactive features [...]"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
how can you compare a live concert promoted by credit card companies to youtube searches.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
b/c 3.7 mil in one evening for a live stream is a really big number
and both are on youtube
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
like, how many viewers do you think a yo gotti live concert stream would pull in?
i dont know? i wonder how many the waka live streams have pulled in without credit card promotions
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder how many the waka live streams have pulled in without credit card promotions as many fans as arcade fire
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
credit card companies are the only thing that draw more eyeballs than gangsta rap, everyone knows that
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
corporate promotions do tend to increase something's visibility yesbut be smarmy for no reason if u want
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
even the youtube comparison is kind of impressive for arcade fire. u wouldn't expect ppl to "consume" arcade fire thru youtube like u wld yo gotti, right?
― zvookster, Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
why not?
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
uh, all the reasons stated by you and others upthread about how social media and streaming sites represent a bigger piece of the pie for mixtape rappers than for AOR indie bands?
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont recall saying that about youtube but about illegal downloads / bootlegging & what audiences are likely to pay for CDs. just because someone pays for a CD doesnt mean they dont stream youtube when they're at work / dont feel like getting the cd
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
like, the question isnt 'who is likely to stream' its 'who is likely to pay money for a musical product'
those are related but not inverted questions
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess? i mean the much-referenced datpiff streams music too, it's not all downloads.
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think of a lot of modern rap as being more song-oriented where someone might just play the track(s) they like 10 times on youtube or whatever vs. a rock artist where you're only considered a 'fan' of the artist if you have the album and can name every song off it
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
like it doesn't seem like a fluke that there aren't a lot of "check out this cool song i found on youtube" posts on ilx rock threads like the ones you fill the rap threads with
― hann am0n tana (some dude), Thursday, 30 December 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys should check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHuf5Oo3PY
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
so amazing.
hahaha well played scott
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Arcade Fire's biggest viral video wasn't on YouTube; it had it's own website because it utilised html5 code. Just saying. Also 3million AT ONCE vs 3million over the lifetime of a video on YouTube (ie several months) is a BIG difference.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
dont worry, deej is still otm -- he just hasn't figured out his next move yet
http://www.chessguru.net/end_game/two_rooks_checkmate/checkmate.png
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this is so dumb
theres also gonna be like 5 times as many yo gotti tracks as arcade fire tracks in a given year. most of which are all competing for views on youtube.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
and ilxor should really stop posting until hes doing something other than scorekeeping & otm-ing more times than a 2008 hoos with meth in his dr pepper
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Last.fm
Arcade Fire76,887,119 plays (1,459,726 listeners)
Yo Gotti1,181,879 plays (262,194 listeners)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ not scorekeeping, just another glimpse of reality
i know you dont care
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sorry dude i dont consider last.fm anything like a scientific sample, no
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link
'reality'
and i dont even know how to being to process the apples / oranges comparison that is a live streaming show being compared to streaming youtubes of album & mixtape tracks
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
so basically there is no "accurate" sample that you'll accept, because the available samples all disprove your claims
right
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
glad that is settled then
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf why would last.fm ever be an accurate sample
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
why would any inaccurate internet site be a perfect (i.e. "accurate") sample?? last.fm, youtube, whatever, it's all just snapshots of people listening to stuff. but it's all we have to go by, unless deej is to be believed saying "i got no evidence, perfect or otherwise, but trust me, i am right, k?"
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
stfu markers ;_;
just b/c you clocked 200k arcade fire plays in 2010 doesnt mean it's not a decent talking point
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
right--we shouldn't go by terrible statistics just because they're the only ones we have
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:12 AM
still got <3 4 u dude, but i have to agree w/ what cad said upthread
― markers, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd agree that last.fm isn't perfect (same w/ youtube) but they are by no means "terrible" -- unless you'd like to qualify that for us
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link