Wizard of Poetry = all about women.
thought this was pretty clear/obvious...?
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i wasn't thinking of the album's subject matter. wouldn't disagree with you there obviously. i meant more that the quality of the individual tracks was more hit-or-miss for me than most of ghost's albums, imo.
― swvl, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
well the two before are big doe rehab and more fish so i wouldn't agree
"Stapleton Sex" "Stay" "Paragraphs of Love" "Guest House" "Let's Stop Playin'" <--great run on Wizard imo
― zvookster, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
on first listen this seems like more of a slapped-together affair in the vein of More Fish and Big Doe Rehab to me
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
rating this as just okay - best tracks (Ghetto, Troublemakers) are towards the end. kinda lacking in the storytelling dept, which is usually one of Ghost's strong points
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Love the chop of this on Starkology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k0T2UiRaps
― ice cr?m tee (lpz), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
At like 1:05
Purified Thoughts is amazing.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
But Ghetto really isn't.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazon mp3 download only $5. Sold!
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually really like this. It feels like the most consistent since Fishscale to me. I do miss the more narrative Ghost songs, but this is really fun. I love the production, so many great sample sources. The opening pair and the closing pair are the huge standouts (especially love the Roy Ayers sample on "Superstar"), but it does have some weak spots - lol @ that Jim Jones verse.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I bought my copy today to help the cause, but a dozen listens later and this is second-tier.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I think this is pretty kickarse
― O'Shea the Cubeman (San Te), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
pfork review probably otm
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i didn't read it, but 6.5-7.5 seems the right range for this
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
eh Pfork review runs pretty contrary to my evaluations of his last half dozen albums
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
do u think they're all great or something?
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
no they aren't ALL great. but Ghostdini is great. better than this album
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
like Big Doe Rehab is a totally slapped together, half-assed affair, I can't remember if anything at all on it is particularly worthwhile, but the latest Pfork review seems pretty muddled - I'm not sure what they want from Ghost. For him to not "try so hard" to crossover and go back to all RZA beats or something? I don't quite get it.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Walk Around"? "Yolanda's House"?
btw I think this record is as good as BDR (i.e. in the B+-B range).
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah Walk Around, that one's great. is Yolanda's House the one where the woman's kids throw the guy out the window? that song is crazy.
oh the Shakey Dog cut on BDR is good too.
in conclusion, even his worst stuff has awesome bright spots.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
ah I was thinking of "Maxine"
In Pam's house there was money missingShe was too dumb, had her nose numb, sniffin blow in the kitchenHer kids never ate, PCW involved with herKids that she never seen shipped through to FloridaMaxine dark skinned and bal' headed bitch meanPams right here together they're the coldest fiendsAh! Shit! Guess who arrived at the doorit's Moony the supplier swung open the doorBitch open the door, Maxine he go'n kill meChill I got a friend cop, girl you don't know it's beefThree long kicks the hinges flew offKids sreamin' they happy faced slapped blue, Maxine head offIt's on in the crib, you wrong for what you did"You gonna pay Pam, fuck that boo kissed your kidsY'all get the fuck in the room, fuck you, you ain't are real DaddyNext time you see my caddy don't fucking flag me[R] This is where he fucks up at peep his movementMaxine's in the kitchen crying grits is falling on the sideShe had a cup of lye, somebody gots to dieUh huh, y'all bitches fucked up, smoked out my packagesYou had Mackie shit and Pappy shit?
Word to Aunt May I want mine, pulled out the nineGet in the tub, he seen the hot iron pulled the plug outHe steamed Pam brought it back to Penny on Good TimesBack in the dollar bill he sniffed like six linesHe put his Gat down, why he do that?Creeping through the crib is Maxine pot holdin' down with the gritsPam sucking his dick, Maxine Al Greened him screaming slipped in pissHe ran into Ceas' room, grits down cryin' aight with his balls outHe stepped on Clarences' Biggie Smalls albumMooney get that niggaz, Pam yelling rip that niggazMooney went and got that dye out the kitchenJames jumped on Moon, poked him with a screw driverBroke the TV Niggaz watching Knight Rider
This is Pam Jerkins mother house the same shit go on in her brother house
You know Mooney is only a buck o'five wethe only had two hundred dollars worth of shitAnd the kids tore his ass up, the Ceas had a huddle upI felt sorry for'm, the funny shit when bowlegged Keke hopped on 'imJumped on him pigeon toed Moony poured dye on himYou should've seen his motherfuckin' face fryin', half dyin'They stuck a fork through his nutsthe little girl was happy she beat the brotha upQuick pick the window up Mooney over heardRight before they threw him out the Nigga said Word!?!
On the count of three he landed on the first floor balconyBlood brains splashed.. he was dead? and the cops never cameThat's Stapleton
All, all, all in together nowWe getting fresh getting right for the weather nowAnd if we fall in the game, yo that's never nowCome to my projects and we'll air you out
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
maxine is off bulletproof wallets
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
pfork review otm but the rating doesnt match the general lack of enthusiasm in the review -- would think 5.0-5.5 based on the words alone
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah bit of a disconnect there
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I do agree with most of it; Cohen's one of my favorite hip-hop critics.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought most of it was cocksure babble
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
like why would anyone not hear anything since supreme clientele and then be shocked by wizard? why is this presented like it actually happened? is the residue of the years in the interim really tush, back like that & back like that remix? and so on
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder what deej thought of like every place in the world who reviewed this bfore his place of work did and he revived the thread lol
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, those are his biases. Cohen doesn't like R&B, never has.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
He doesn't throw his darts sideways anymore, but without sort of bullshit clutter, he's still an incredibly ostentatious lyricist, just one that's easier to parse.
UNLIKE U THEN ooo burn hi 5
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeh that's what's i was thinking tbh, like it's fine to not like wizard just say so, no need for bizarro universalist narrative
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of hate contemporary R&B too but Ghostdini's take on it appealed to me (which I elaborated on on the Ghostdini thread iirc)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway "all-r&b" is more press release than reality for wizard
i have no interest in hearing this record so im not gonna weigh in in his defense
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why'dja bring it up then
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i no longer harbor any fantasies of being a paid music editor anymore but in the event of some fluke, consider this an open invite for zvookster to write for me anytime
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
read the review, seemed 'relevant'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
thx for your important contribution deej
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
this album's probably the first time i've been genuinely disappointed by ghostface, though i bitched a little about big doe rehab at the time and have since repented
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
blasting this in my car made me appreciate it a little more, tbh
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
welcome to rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
if this is the first time you've been "genuinely disappointed" by Ghostface, I have to wonder when you started listening, July 2010? I mean, that is almost part and parcel of following the guy
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
all rappers suck when they stop leading the fans and the fans start leading them
r.e.m. too
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what this means
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
did the fans lead him to make Ghostdini? or did they lead him to make this album? how is this 'leading' accomplished anyway
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The fan replied, “My Ghostface, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you.”
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
following up his smallest album with a 180 named after his biggest album
is the new
30 is the new 20 oh wait wait wait watching this movie helped me remember some more illegal shit i did in my youth, please don't leave
rappers are pathetic
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
You slap the nigga five n he gon moisturize ya palms nahmean.
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
they did wiz too
Ayo whattup this Deini the Wally Champ namsayin aka Stapleton’s Finest. Ayo I aint really got no problems wit the nigga Wizz Kalifrah nahmeans. Matter fact I aint really know who the nigga was til bout 5 minutes ago n shit namsayin. But yo jus so i aint step on this nigga toes or nothin like that…cos the god sincerely wish the little nigga the utmost success n alla that but yo Imma hafta keep it really 100 wit yalls. This Roll Up shit kinda soft namsayin. By that a nigga mean you could probably rock a cryin baby to sleep wit this shit nahmeans. This some shit for the nurseries n shit namsayin. Ayo a nigga listen to this shit at the wrong time n he liable to start hangin one them posters wit the little babies dressed like animals n vegetables n shit on they walls. A nigga might go cop one them calendars wit the kittens dressed up like they firemen n hang that shit in the hallway namsayin. Ayo this shit be like the shit yall hear in Calgon commercials n shit. Shit sounds like it was produced by muthafuckin Yanni or some shit. Nigga soundin like he gon get muthafuckin Enya n Barbra Streisand to jump on the remix n shit. This like some shit they play in the room when bitches be givin birth n shit. What niggas supposed to do with this shit light candles n soak in a tub by they fuckin selves n shit? Nahmeans. Bitches gon think they can slap a nigga around if they hear a nigga knockin this shit voluntarily n shit. Word bond. A nigga gon grow titties listenin to this kinds a shit. Ayo muthafuckin Lubriderm called n wanna know if they can bottle ya soft ass song nigga. Muthafuckin Hostess wanna know if they can use ya soft ass song to fill Twinkies n shit. Fuck outta here wit this shit nigga. Ayo word bond Staten island niggas dont play this shit son nahmeans. Word. Ayo we punch the sidewalk when we happy nigga. Thats a good day nigga! Ayo we eat broken glass when we in a good mood nigga! Thats real talk. Niggas be shootin at each other when we be sayin hi to each other to keep niggas sharp. We test each others reflexes n keep niggas on they toes n shit nahmeans! Thats love nigga. Thats real family values muthafucka! Yall soft serve niggas dont know nothin bout that. This some shit for niggas to braid they other niggas hair to. Word.Aight peace.
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
poll
― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 February 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
cool Sunday-morning-while-watching-Barefoot-Contessa thread.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 October 2015 12:46 (eight years ago) link
Nahmean
Couple bum tracks aside i feel like this was ghost's last good solo album (i do like wu block tho)
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 4 October 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link