aw. i have a bittersweet feeling about kickstarter. it is cool and all, but we had $1400 pledged towards the soulstreamers which would have totally helped get us off the ground, but we lost it all since we didn't meet the entire goal. it was sad because at least with the $1400 we would have paid off the trailer and been partially on the way there...
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
what was your goal?
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Bandcamp has been a solid 'C'. Kudos to them for not adding in a whole bunch of myspace/facebook 'networking' guff and having an A+ stats section.
What is Kickstarter?
― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
funding site for the arts
good if you have fans
which means it would be useless for me
― elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean, we were very short of our goal. I am just saying that the funds would have help, even if it wouldn't have gotten us on the road.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/344806759/soulstreamers-a-mobile-music-project-to-keep-vinyl
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
helped, obv.
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
you did pretty fucking good, it seems to me. Sorry you didn't make it!
Now who here wants to pay for my next film?
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, we did really well. That was my point. We could have used that money and instead lost all of it because it is all or nothing with Kickstarter. :( In retrospect, this project would already be on it's way if we had that $1400 back then so I guess we should have made the goal lower. Instead, we still don't have a renovated trailer and we missed out on $1400 that people were wanting us to have.
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Mekons just funded a movie doc through kickstarter. They had some big name literary and musicial assistance
― curmudgeon, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I would pay for new record by favorite artist X. Specially after all the downloading I have done in my life. Roky Erickson should do this, would be rad.
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
if you hit your target on kickstarter and get more pledged, do you get to keep that? would be handy if you set a lower target to at least get some cash rolling in, maybe.
― cereal bad boy (haitch), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes, you get to keep whatever you raise
in my experience (that is, watching/contributing to other people's stuff) for kickstarter you really need a decent fanbase coming in. if you're really lucky the kickstarter people will feature you, but you tend to need the former first
that said, if you have that it's great. know someone who raised >31K from an originally 8K project
― katherine (katherinesta), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah Kickstarter is tricky because their whole thing is they don't want you to raise half your goal and have a bunch of people still expecting you to finish your project without the whole amount you needed to get it done. you CAN kind of cheat the system by having some 3rd party help you meet the goal as kind of a loan, so that you can at least collect what had been pledged legitimately, which I'm not saying whether or not that's what happened with my project, but I'm just saying.
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm releasing my next album through bandcamp, I think. We're doing two songs a month for six months and then we'll actually have a vinyl pressed and sell that, but everyone downloads everything anyway so why not make it easy on them, frankly.
― akm, Monday, 20 December 2010 05:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
kickstarter: yeah good if you have fans or family. a friend financed the mxing of her album via kickstarter, but I think her family kicked in a lot of it. she was also relentless about nagging people on facebook which I'd have a problem doing.
― akm, Monday, 20 December 2010 05:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
isn't a one time ilxor heavily involved w/ kickstarter? anyway a ton of local (athens, ga) acts have used it, i think one even got mentioned in some times writeup about kickstarter; alot of local acts (generally the more redneck punk ones) regard it w/ disgust. it's basically a venture capital model applied to arts charity right? totally think it's a good thing.
― balls, Monday, 20 December 2010 06:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
if you hit your target on kickstarter and get more pledged, do you get to keep that? would be handy if you set a lower target to at least get some cash rolling in, maybe.― cereal bad boy (haitch), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:00 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkYes, you get to keep whatever you raise
― cereal bad boy (haitch), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:00 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
So, if you were going to do something anyway with your own money, why not get a Kickstart thing, get some peeps to donate $, then donate to your 'goal' yourself if you're short and you'll be less out of pocket in the short term?
― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, 20 December 2010 06:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Which one time ilxor?
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 06:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
i love bandcamp. a lot of my favorite bands are on it, i've discovered new bands through it, and i'm putting my own stuff there instead of myspace.
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, December 20, 2010 1:12 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you can't donate to your own project (at least not with your own name/bank account -- obviously you can have a middleman or something)
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like Band Camp a lot too btw, a lot of the local acts i cover have taken to it and it's become a really nice to way to keep track of artists who previously i had to go on goddamn MySpace to hear new stuff from
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
bandcamp is great.
i'm deeply suspicious of bands raising money to make albums via kickstarter though. maybe i'm just being a hater, but there's something weird about wanting your friends & fans pay for the entirety of your recording + mixing + mastering + duplication.
the other angle is that the band kickstarters that i've seen present it as "recording is expensive!". while i'm all about keeping studios in business, it seems like asking people to pay for your studio time is the easy way out when everyone else is buying some gear of their own, learning how to use it, and becoming at least somewhat self-sufficient.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
But a lot of the Kickstarter projects I've looked at will promise you a copy of the final product with your donation, so it's essentially like paying a few extra bucks above the cost of the cd to see that the cd gets made in the first place.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm in for Marissa Nadler's new album through Kickstarter. Was in the I Like Trains pledgemusic one too, but Marissa's seems better value.
― progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah...w/ music projects i think using Kickstarter treads a fine line. because either you have a fanbase and probably don't NEED to ask for the money (or wouldn't if you'd managed your career a little better or had slightly better luck), or you have no substantial fanbase and you're just kind of asking family and friends to help you make a CD they probably won't listen to. my project was a research-intensive book project, i don't know if that exactly makes my use of it better in any way, i may be a hypocrite, i'm just saying.
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think the chief problem I have with Kickstarter, at least as far as funding music projects goes, is that musicians are often terrible at managing money. Someone I know in a middling indie band (who shall remain nameless) put up a Kickstarter a year or so and got a fair amount of money to put towards the recording of a new album. One year on and there's no sign of the album, and I see him getting asked questions about it on Facebook all the time, with vague "it's coming soon" promises from him in return. I don't exactly know what he's done with the money, but I'm pretty sure most of it's been blown on boozing and partying.
― Position Position, Monday, 20 December 2010 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, December 20, 201
That was our idea, but at the last minute when I tried to do that, I was made aware that I couldn't. I was trying to find someone - anyone - to donate (even just in theory) the last bit to make it happen but to no avail.
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah there's a lot of ins and outs of how KS works that sometimes you don't know or think about until you've started your project -- really that's the main reason i'm being pretty forthright in this thread about how mine went down, in case the info helps anyone else here down the road
― some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Trying again?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/344806759/soulstreamers
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 27 December 2010 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I know Heather! At least I know her from the store in Knoxville. Rad store, great gal. I'm tapped but I know some folks who might be into this - will alert 'em. This is a really cool idea.
Friendly advice - I'd offer some sort of physical product (I'm assuming these mixes you're offering are sent via email?) in exchange for pledges.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thanks for that offer! You are very sweet. The mixes offered as incentives, though, are the actual mixes named on kickstarter and recorded live by the three of us. We send out the actual mix with our own covers and such.
Are you in Knoxville? When did I meet you? I live in Kill Devil Hills now, though. I left Lost and Found in December to move out here.
― Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Verbena dudes / Wooden Wand just launched one of these
― Hem Gems, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
whoa. just found out that one of the cofounders of kickstarter is a guy i went to college with. worked at the college radio station with him. he also posted on ILX for a while.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
started this thread e.g.
New from the DFA...
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yancey is one of the kickstarter cofounders?
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/03/ff_kickstarter/all/1
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i thought it was common knowledge that yancey was one of the main KS guys. also i always thought of him as a pretty major part of ILM for however many of the early years he was posting.
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I read his on-again/off-again blog for a couple years before I even found ILM and was glad to find him here. Was disappointed when he stopped posting. Cool that that's what he's up to these days.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
kickstarter kickin knowledge
Projects that reach 30% of their funding goal succeed more than 90% of the time. You can see that as the line turns green, the percent of projects that succeed approaches 100%.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's kind of a "no duh" statistic though, isn't it?
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean the curve could be steeper or flatter i guess but it's kind of like saying "people who grow to be 5'9" are more likely to end up over 6 feet tall"
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
we were all 3 feet tall once
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, April 29, 2011 7:20 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark
i mean, no, not at all. it's more like saying "people that grow to be 3 feet tall almost always end up 10 feet tall."
fwiw on the clickthrough there's way more
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i guess that's a more accurate way of putting it. just seems like a pretty predictable and logical stat that they're dropping like a revelation or truth bomb imo.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk i mean i phrased it the way i did because the idea that projects reaching 30% get funded fully almost every time is really surprising to me, i would have expected there are a lot of projects that stalled out at higher numbers, or that if there was a threshold like this it would have been much higher--"get to 30% & statistically you're basically there" is way more surmountable as a goal than "promote this until you are all the way there, cause it won't happen otherwise"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
btw al i'm following this stuff/bumping this thread cause some ppl i run with are thinking about moving to kickstarter to fund some art projects and i actually wanted to tap yr experience on this, so def don't let me make it sound like i know what i'm talking about.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha no it's cool -- i guess i have a different way of looking at how KS tends to work for people but i don't know if it's necessarily because of my personal experience with it. but sure lemme know if you have any questions.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
By itself, the graphic doesn't mean a lot. For example, what's the breakdown is dollar/valuesas goals.
How does it skew when comparing projects that ask for trivial funding as opposed to those requesting more serious money? What's the impact of publicity or recommendation by big name linkage?
Also, from the pov of the non-user, there's no way to gauge how hard 30 percent is to reach. Is it just a meaningless pass through point on the way to full funding? As presented here, it looks fairly ambiguous without clarification.
― Gorge, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
seems like people are more reluctant to be the first ones to jump in, or to fund something that looks like a futile effort, but happy to keep the momentum going and give it that last push.
― adult music person (Jordan), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah my bro has a Snowball and he loves it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
yeah, they're pretty great
― Darin, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
Kickstarter has such a shaky business model, it's inevitable that a backlash would come. I'm surprised no one's started a blog tracking all the projects that haven't materialized and/or gifts that haven't been received. Maybe they have?
― Position Position, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
fuck drums
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Friday, September 28, 2012 5:27 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
posts very much out of character!
― some dude, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
i get decent drum sounds at home but then i have several thousand dollars of microphones helping me out
― adam bandit (electricsound), Friday, 28 September 2012 23:53 (7 months ago) Permalink
http://blog.bandcamp.com/2013/01/10/bandcamp-for-fans/
― cwkiii, Thursday, 17 January 2013 12:47 (4 months ago) Permalink
So... has anyone joined up? I have but I've not really bothered to use it yet.
― emil.y, Friday, 1 February 2013 18:06 (3 months ago) Permalink
yeah, though its usefulness beyond a reminder of purchases is yet to be revealed
― the beers for lunch (electricsound), Friday, 1 February 2013 21:34 (3 months ago) Permalink
i guess it's appropriate to mention in this thread that two of my favorite records of 2012 were kickstarter-funded numbers: driver friendly's bury a dream and the forecast's everybody left
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 1 February 2013 21:37 (3 months ago) Permalink
The bandcamp fan pages are nice for some really basic social networking for artists at a small level. I bought some things that led to making a few connections with artists I like who bought my stuff in return. I think that works better than just emailing people out of the blue which can feel spammy. And I've found some good stuff by browsing though other people's collections. It's hard to tell if it will get better or worse the more popular it gets.
― wk, Friday, 1 February 2013 21:52 (3 months ago) Permalink
and I think it's kind of genius that you have to pay for something for it to appear in your collection. that's a lot more meaningful than a "like."
― wk, Friday, 1 February 2013 21:53 (3 months ago) Permalink
Legendary animator Ralph Bakshi doin' the Kickstarter thing:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ralphbakshi/last-days-of-coney-island-0?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 2 February 2013 17:11 (3 months ago) Permalink
why would bjork use kickstarter to raise money for this app thing of hers, rather than use her own many many millions? genuinely interested.
is it just simple greed or was there some bigger reason behind it? either way it failed miserably: 4% then dust
― NI, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:12 (3 months ago) Permalink
and the forecast's everybody left
Had no idea they had a 2012 album! Of course I never came across the 2010 one either.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 February 2013 19:14 (3 months ago) Permalink
why would bjork use kickstarter to raise money for this app thing of hers, rather than use her own many many millions? genuinely interested.is it just simple greed or was there some bigger reason behind it? either way it failed miserably: 4% then dust
ha, I hadn't heard of that. but I wonder if they got tons of requests for windows and android compatibility and didn't want to bother with it, and now they can point to the failed kickstarter as an excuse not to do it.
― wk, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:19 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://www.factmag.com/2013/02/07/bjorks-kickstarter-cancelled-after-reaching-just-4-of-goal/
― NI, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
yeah I don't get why all of the headlines are saying it's a failure or embarrassment for bjork. it just seems like there aren't really enough interested android and windows users to justify porting it over, and it's a good thing she found that out ahead of time instead of just financing it herself.
― wk, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:34 (3 months ago) Permalink
its embarrassing that bjork tried to kickstart an android port in the first place imho
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
(not cuz i have any strong feelings about android, but its such a mundane project)
It was cancelled way before the end of the kickstarter tho, right? Hard to imagine Bjork doesn't have extremely wealthy fans all around the world.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:56 (3 months ago) Permalink
I mean, "Cheetahmen 2" is getting funded through kickstarter.
You're making an assumption here
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:01 (3 months ago) Permalink
didn't the initial album release have a bunch of multimedia stuff going on? that was presumably funded by her and/or her label? it just seems goofy to do all that stuff, and then over a year later go "hey we want to do more of the same that wasn't in the album budget, you wanna foot the bill for this one?"
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
and not only that, but the same stuff, just for... WINDOWS PHONES!
― zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:19 (3 months ago) Permalink
sorta takes a bit of the mystique out of the whole bjork aura imo
Which assumption? I'm guessing this isn't accurate: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/bjork-net-worth/ but I'm certain someone of Bjork's standing can easily come up with 375k (she charged a fortune for her recent gig at MIF). If there's another, less graspy, reason she went to Kickstarter then I'd like to know, hence my question.
― NI, Friday, 8 February 2013 21:59 (3 months ago) Permalink
maybe google or microsoft offered to sponsor it so they cancelled the kickstarter
― wk, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:28 (3 months ago) Permalink
xp I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it's an assumption. I can't think of any activity of hers in the last ten years that would've equalled a big payday, if anything, the opposite. That said, I wouldn't be surprised either if she is actually worth $40m (and good on her if she is)
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:38 (3 months ago) Permalink
I'd be v surprised if Bjork can't come up with the money to fund this herself, or her record label. Whole thing smacks of greed, syphoning money off her gullible plebs. Could well be wrong though, looking forward to finding out from upcoming interviews.
― NI, Saturday, 9 February 2013 04:35 (3 months ago) Permalink
yeah i mean the Biophilia box set was $800
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Saturday, 9 February 2013 05:00 (3 months ago) Permalink
I always forget that aspect of the Bjork economy, that everything is so expensive, nm
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 February 2013 06:20 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1064179477/indie-bikes-and-beer
I've been into music since I was a kid and I have been always been captivated by finding new artists with new sounds. For the most part, I've listened to "obscure" indie bands whose under the radar status meant true talent. After friends and family repeatedly asked me for musical suggestions, I chose not to send them a playlist and instead decided that I would start a blog.
far more infuriating than the bjork thing imo
― scream blahula scream (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:06 (3 months ago) Permalink
more like max nagl etc
The name was almost too obvious...
Indeed.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
I wanted to find a way to incorporate beer and bikes into this indie music blog that I had scheming in my helmeted noggin.
Might well have put some money in this if he'd called it "My Helmeted Noggin," tbh
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:23 (3 months ago) Permalink
can someone explain to me under what circumstances two separate people might have pledged $325 or more to make this happen?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:25 (3 months ago) Permalink
1. mom2. dad
― scream blahula scream (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:28 (3 months ago) Permalink
3. Gonna need to see those "acoustic sessions" happen
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:31 (3 months ago) Permalink
I can't figure out whether kickstarter is about "niche fandoms have incredibly useful new way to fund projects" or "people who come from money have new more socially acceptable way to nudge similarly situated friends/relatives to fund their enthusiasms" -- must be some proportion of each but what are the proportions?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:32 (3 months ago) Permalink
The first post was a review of the lovely Cambridge duo, You Won't, and their debut album, Skeptic Goodbye. To be honest, I was kind of starstruck upon receiving positive feedback from the band after the post- I was honored to be given such high praise for my work. I imagine this is how a musician feels when someone thoughtfully reviews their work. It was at this point that I knew the site could be something more than just my musings on indie music, bike news, and good beer.
― zero dark (s1ocki), Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:13 (3 months ago) Permalink
lol
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
I'm sure there are people that use kickstarter to ask their parents for money.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:24 (3 months ago) Permalink
― wk, Monday, 11 February 2013 01:27 (3 months ago) Permalink