Usher - Classic or Dud?

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He's got a PEANUT head (thanx, Pitman), but essentialy, dude's fairly cool. Some decent songs (the 'Pop Ya Collar' love starts RIGHT HERE), a good voice, an occasionally commendable wardrobe and some excellent moves I love to emulate. He's classic, no doubt. OTOH, I wouldn't immediately jump to his side in a JT vs Usher because JT's had some better sonics running through his singles and the 'Like I Love You' video is pretty stylish. And because JT is friends with JC Chasez.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 23 February 2004 09:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

dudes, duders, dudets, U Remind Me-classic, that Pop ya collar song, perticularly the earthy honesty behind the mens Yea! makes it impossible not to like. However as I recal he plays the dj in She's All That, in which he dances horribly to The Rockerfeller Skank, instigating a high school dance scene which, in terms of arse twitching embarrasement picks up the gauntlet laid down by Teenwolf. Usher, welcome to Dudleyville.

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 23 February 2004 09:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have gone from loving Usher to hating him to loving him. "My Way" almost made me want to vomit until I realized one day it was fucking amazing.

Ginuwine is the guy I've always unilaterally despised.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have this feeling Ginuwine has better albums than Usher. Then again, I have no albums by either.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i wish he wouldnt yelp all the time. it sounds like he's having a sore nursed with toilet duck.

Flotsam of the Fishfolk (Flotsam of the Fishfolk), Monday, 23 February 2004 19:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

My friend emily makes me buy his records and play them when i dj so that she can dance to them -upon which moment the redundancy of this debate becomes clear...

Conor (Conor), Monday, 23 February 2004 22:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He wore a Marvin Gaye t-shirt on Top of the Pops. I like him.

pete s, Monday, 23 February 2004 23:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

OTOH, he also sang 'U Don't Have To Call' on TOTP with huge vocalless spaces that Ludacris must've been meant to fill.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 11:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
I just heard Usher's new single "Let It Burn" on the radio and had to run to a computer lab to share my shock at how FUCKING AMAZING it is. I really hope future listens live up to the memory of multiple Usher's weaving around each other, asking if you can hear him cry - hoo hoo hoo, hoo hoo hoo. I think he even used the word "umpteenth"!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

usher is reason 2034 why my wife wants to divorce me for my music tastes

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He is great.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 05:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
I really like usher, but whats the issue with j.t and usher?
what type of contreversie is this? I always thought they were close friends being that they are both in the music industry...??

Jeanette, Friday, 2 April 2004 14:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

here's some fuel to the justin v. usher debate:

MILLION-SELLING 'CONFESSIONS'!


R&B star USHER has sold over a million copies of his new album in the US in just one week.

The singer tops the charts with 'Confessions', ending Norah Jones' 'Feels Like Home''s seven-week reign at the top.

'Confessions'' 1.1 million sales mean it has now surpassed 'Feels Like Home' as the year's fastest-selling album.

Usher and Jones, whose album sold 1.02 million in its first week, now stand as the only two artists to debut in seven-figure territory since *N Sync's 'Celebrity' sold nearly 1.9 million copies its first week in July 2001.

Usher's label, Arista Records, have revealed 'Confessions' is its biggest release in the label's 30-year history, beating the 689,000 first-week sales posted by Notorious BIG's posthumous 1997 album 'Life After Death'.

Usher has sold nearly ten million albums in the United States to date, according to SoundScan.

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Didnt Justin peak out at #2 with justified?

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I always thought they were close friends being that they are both in the music industry...??

This is true. Everyone in the music industry lives in a great big house. MTV will be filming soon for a reality series. You will be chosen as the special guest star if you post on the Kanye West thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BO-RINNNG! Li'l Jon cannot save you, Usher

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ps holla back

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really like usher, but whats the issue with j.t and usher?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/urbannews/040304_usher.shtml

Usher called Justin a "follower" on Radio 1 last month, and challenged him to a dance-off in some other interview.

Which means, of course, that they'll be releasing a massively-hyped duet in the next eight months.

Lesley, Friday, 2 April 2004 19:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I want a full-on romantic comedy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You would.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BO-RINNNG! Li'l Jon cannot save you, Usher

Ah, I'm glad that someone finally agrees with me!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
The man has three singles in the Top 30 right now, two in the Top 3.

That he isn't getting as much attention as Justin Timberlake did for Justified (which sold a LOT less) is really starting to piss me off.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and I want LOTS more discussion of "Burn."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also Cibula's review of Confessions is really awesome.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 May 2004 18:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Confessions is definitely on track to outsell Justified, but that hasn't happened yet, and a lot of Justified's press/praise was accumulated over the course of a year, Usher record just came out, so time will tell on that one.

Usher seems to take himself waaay too seriously. I mean, even in the "Yeah" video, he flashes a lot of somber facial expressions, like he Really Means It, and the rest of the album is all ballads. I mean, he's a good singer and dancer at all, but the way he puffs himself up as an Artist, you'd think he was a writer/producer on the level of R. Kelly or even Prince.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 2 May 2004 19:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Usher...not gonna say much more than "bleh". He's had a few songs which I've considered guilty pleasures of mine, I admit ("U Remind Me" remix, "My Way"), but most of his clunky, midi-sounding r&b tunes are just flat. Not to mention that he's not a very good singer, although that's not necessarily a prerequisite if you have enough character.

Around the time he arrived was the period of time r&b music really started going south. It was already headed there but the arrival of him and similar artists brought forth the downfall. Nowadays most of it on the airwaves is unlistenable.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

fine, dad.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

stop calling grandpa "dad," strongo

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yea, keep telling yourself that's it. :)

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

":)"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Usher's next album will be composed entirely on Midisoft Studio for Windows

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

His voice has developed a LOT, and although its not evident on a track as sonically abrasive (in a good way) as "Yeah", on a minimalist track like "Burn" its especially obvious - dude can sing like a motherfucker.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Usher's next album will be composed entirely on Midisoft Studio for Windows

Is that supposed to be some sort of diss to Usher?

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dude cannot sing.

He is extremely nasal and throaty and lacks dynamics. He has to strain for a lot of his highs as well.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not really familiar with his older stuff, but his voice is excellent on "Burn."

Don't you listen to metal? Why are you concerned with supposedly objective evaluations of singing ability?

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm a singer, and have been studying voice for well over a decade, and at one point, was majoring in it in college.

As I said...it's NOT really necessarily necessary to be a great singer to sell a good r&B song. I wouldn't say Al Green was *technically* a great singer, yet I totally feel his music. But while we were on the subject of his singing ability, I thought I would comment on that.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

did I REALLY just say "necessarily necessary"? My god, I can hardly believe I'm not still drunk.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm surprised that so many people are bigging up the album so much - I count the following tracks as being worthy: "Yeah", "Throwback", "Confessions", "Burn" and that treacly Jermaine Dupri track towards the end. And that's it. Even the Richcraft track is unremarkable.

And "Throwback" is good but it should be much better.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say Al Green was *technically* a great singer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yep, keep going, instead of explaining your position, continue with the ad hominems, they make you seem real intelligent.

Al Green was a great performer and a great R&B artist, but in terms of TECHNIQUE, he was nothing amazing. That is all I said, and it is true. He had the ability to sell a song that made up for it, though.

Do you REALLY want me to out-geek you on this one and give you vocal specifics?

Uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I haven't gotten the album yet (I'm waiting till I hear "Confessions" on the radio so that it passes my three-singles-I-love-then-I-by-you rule) but even if only five tracks are credible that's at LEAST two more than Justified had.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I take Justin Timberlake as serious as I take making race cars out of diarrhea.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 00:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

JT = Usher + Corey Feldman

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 00:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

How many times have we linked to this?

I'm taking bets on how much longer before "Uh" mentions how much he loves crunk + grime. Will the weight of the ILM hive mind overcome his defenses soon? Its not a question of "if" but "when."

Tim, I think Throwback is great!

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm interested as to why you feel you should link to an article rather than make your own points.

I consider Timberlake a truly ironic joke. His music reeks of sheer deriviative crap, and I wouldn't be arsed to sit through more than 5 minutes of it.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No I do like it a lot but I'd been hoping that it did for either "Pump It Up" or "Song Cry" what "Yeah" did for "Get Low" and instead find that it's ear-tickling but very restrained.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and before someone mentions the whole "originality isn't a requirement" argument (one that I actually agree with), realize that's by far not the only problem I have with his retarded music.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tim, what do you think of "Caught Up"? I thought that track was terrific!

"Uh," I'm interested as to why you are afraid to read the article.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It was written by someone who posts here occasionally.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I actually think Timberlake sounded great on Celebrity but on Justified he got WAY overconfident, the music is so non-mall that it needs a singer who's equally supple. Timbo just sounds like he's going to do the Urkel (though all the singles are enjoyable). He sounded a lot more soulful when he surrounded himself with guys like Lance Bass and Max Martin.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 May 2004 01:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Afraid to read the article? Dee, I'm not sure what your issue is, but you seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that people don't like your favorite musical artists, instead choosing to believe that said people have some mental deficiency they were unaware of.

In any sense, I found the article to be somewhat stupid. It seems to be using one person's critique of Timberlake to represent everybody's, which is just stupid, plus the whole article is rather presumptuous about why people actually bash Timberlake in the media. It's a completely silly, elitist article, that fails to comprehend that just MAYBE the other side has a valid point.

I know I argue "rough" in here, but I would never SERIOUSLY attribute to someone a personal defect because they happened to like an artist I did. Half of my first posts were just for my own amusement.

uh, Monday, 3 May 2004 01:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

as i've receded away from music criticism i think i've found that i have less use for an album like this -- which is a good album qua album w/ relatively few standouts -- than something like looking 4 myself, where half was pure trash but the 3 or 4 best songs were real standouts

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:14 (two months ago) Permalink

It really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for Looking 4 Myself

Evan R, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:21 (two months ago) Permalink

L4M keepers:

Climax
title track
I Care For U
Dive
Numb
2nd Round

H2L keepers:

Bump
Let Me
Crash
FYM
Hard II Love

I agree with Evan: nothing on H2L will embarrass Usher's family like the last album's "Can't Stop Won't Stop" or "Scream."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:25 (two months ago) Permalink

L4M also had very good bonus tracks ("Say The Words" especially) that made its grab-bag feel a little more forgivable. It tempered the ratio of hits to misses and made the whole thing feel more generous

Evan R, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:32 (two months ago) Permalink

in "No Limit," does Usher sing:

Look my cat OD'd
No limit

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:32 (two months ago) Permalink

time out--the best song on L4M is clearly "show me"

anyway, hard II love is technically a better album, which i guess matter when you have to assign ratings to such things. but functionally i'm not sure it has more utility to my life than the grab bag.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:36 (two months ago) Permalink

also "lemme see" is an underrated single, it's in one of those nguzunguzu mixes and sounds great

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

show me def the standout for me outside the obv climax

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

idk they're both grab bags to me; Usher's singing and writing and choosing songs like a former megastar instead of thinking he's still a megastar kept him from including another "Can't Stop...," although we can argue about Young Thug's appearance, I guess.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

"Show Me" is good; forgot it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:39 (two months ago) Permalink

also "what happened to u" was pretty tight and would fit on the new record... this album is better than i remembered

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:39 (two months ago) Permalink

IFU beat is A+

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

"IFU" was the best song on that record imo

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:53 (two months ago) Permalink

well, u know i what i think.

as i've receded away from music criticism i think i've found that i have less use for an album like this -- which is a good album qua album w/ relat
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:14 Bookmark

It really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for Looking 4 Myself

― Evan R, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:21 Bookmark

lol i love this exchange. j0rd's provocatively salty framing checkmated by evan schooling on what true non-crit nothingness really be

r|t|c, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:07 (two months ago) Permalink

xp rico love produced that, did you hear his album from last year?

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:09 (two months ago) Permalink

putting that noble idea of album as microwave muzak aside for a sec and considering the holistic artistic statement then i still think that, at the time, l4m said something interesting for itself as a grab-bag. there were plenty of other grab-bags then, disjointed and nakedly cynical - imo l4m managed to carry a rare thread of touristic enthusiasm thru its peaks & valleys of tasteful & trash

r|t|c, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:18 (two months ago) Permalink

that rico love lp was a such a uniquely weird faceless ventriloquist sesh.... rico act more like. serial rnb hit songwriter as cusack in being john malkovich

this one's like a seance. who am i speaking to i sense a great sadness

r|t|c, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:32 (two months ago) Permalink

llol, yeeeeeeah thats one of like three trx i didnt like on there

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:34 (two months ago) Permalink

man that vid is embarrassing

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I've pissed off Morbs and xyzz in film threads for admitting that I've watched Hou films while mopping.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:49 (two months ago) Permalink

lol i love this exchange. j0rd's provocatively salty framing checkmated by evan schooling on what true non-crit nothingness really be

― r|t|c, Tuesday, September 20, 2016 5:07 PM (two hours ago)

Man you really have it out for me lately, huh? Did I somehow offend you or something? You jump down my throat every time I post

Evan R, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Rico Love album rules, even the fake N.E.R.D. song lol

Best Beloved Trump-Pence (some dude), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Rico Love album was depressed loss-of-meaning r&b in the best sense. I can see why it did not sell though.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 07:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Man you really have it out for me lately, huh? Did I somehow offend you or something? You jump down my throat every time I post

― Evan R, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:12 Bookmark

man get a life. there is a discussion, you choose to contribute a point of view, i object to its flaccid suburban mediocrity, i pay you the courtesy of responding. that's how it works

is there an inviting, easygoing recent album you could maybe put on to unwind?

r|t|c, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:33 (two months ago) Permalink

what is "the best sense" of er, "depressed loss-of-meaning r&b"? i mean i got a lil nostalgic kick out of the n.e.r.d zombie too for a sec but to go so far as to say it rules just seems like being pugnacious about closing your playbook sometime around 2006

some of the album is nicely produced, some taxidermy is nicely enbalmed

r|t|c, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:52 (two months ago) Permalink

It's utterly disillusioned in a way that most quasi-nihilistic hedonist r&b doesn't even try to be. Hence more interesting.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:00 (two months ago) Permalink

It's not the young & trendy numbness of abel & co, but a beaten down, at-the-end-of-the-rope-so-I-might-as-well-laugh disenchantment. It felt refreshing to me, at least. I haven't listened to it in a while though.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:05 (two months ago) Permalink

i don't really recall discerning a strong consistent persona like that at all thru the karaoke smoke but maybe i'll listen again sometime

r|t|c, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 17:15 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

wait why did this "girls just wanna have fun" song not end up on the album

dyl, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 17:28 (one month ago) Permalink


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