Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

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Makes you wonder what else they do together.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

penn's married, teller has a lifetime partner.

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I only rented one DVD: Loved the Ouija Board debunking, but yeah, some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

OTM (your opinion, not the libertarian one)

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

Don't the randroids actually have terms for those? Productives vs. leeches or something.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think "wackos" is a bit harsh. Often it's people who have an informed opinion vs. people who just have an opinion.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

no, on bullshit even those with informed opinions are wackos.

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I haven't seen more than a handful of random episodes, but the one about second hand smoke not being bad for you was really, really unconvincing. I guess the claim was that you're unlikely to inhale enough to hurt you secondhand, but... look, I smoke like a chimney, and I don't like smoking in restaurants. It's just common sense. Come on, Penn.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

And I saw one with a lot naked people, and it was kinda pointless and icky.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh! And the Global Warming Episode! I was OUTRAGED!

You know what? Every episode of this that I've seen has pissed me off. Ok, fuck this show.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

I started watching the one on college which was idiotic, but one of my best friends swears by the water episode.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

you don't really need to drink water?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

the one on college which was idiotic

I watched the online clip of that last night because of this thread, and it seemed to follow the formula. Here's this venerated respectable person who agrees with us, and... sheesh! Look at this fuckin' idiot!... who represents our opposition.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

everybody knows that most bottled water is just tap water, but i'll still stand up for "smartwater" and eternally roll my eyes at people who insist on saying "i'll take my water stupid, thank you" (oh fuck off, you ignoramus).

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Whenever I see it I keep thinking, well, that was fun and kinda-okay, but it might have been better if he'd done, like TWO MINUTES RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET. Or is empiricism bullshit, too? The idea's okay, the execution's flat-out lazy. And Penn can't do sarcasm.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Penn Jillette = Conan Doyle + Dave Sim

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Even the designer water one, though hilarious (naming one of the gourmet brands "Agua de Culo" was pretty funny), didn't really prove the intended point. It said a lot more about people's behavior when being filmed than it did about expensive water.

Keep in mind, Penn is the type of person who claims to hate wacko pseudo-pundits... and then he pops up in shit like "Michael Moore Hates America." He's a boob.

― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

Penn's seriousness is still grating, but the death penalty episode was pretty dang great.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

otm

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

So a more libertarian TV Nation then?

I've only seen the War On Drugs episode thanks to Elvis and S. Cindy, and that one was great, incidentally.

― DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

yeah, i really dislike the show for this reason. it makes for good comedy, but i wish their targets weren't so easy. they sweep a stupid hippie off the beach so they can say "look! hippies are stupid!"

― even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

after seeing more episodes, i'm less enthused.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok good!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

the infamous p3t@ epsiode

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like the fact that the show spends a good chunk of time actually considering some of the key problems/debates of our time. Ultimately I disagree with the conclusions and even the methodology, but what other show even tackles these issues? My fellow Berkeley/SF/Oakland residents are a bit of a Green Party hivemind, so it's nice to be confronted with a wildy divergent opinion that isn't based on an impulse toward theocracy, xenophobia, etc.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

tru dat. i do wish they weren't so disingenuous with their editing choices and arguments sometimes. but it's no worse than michael moore i suppose.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

ha ha good job not calling "BULL.. SHIT!" on the center for consumer freedom as you quote them & base your entire argument on their assertions

― +--++--++, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's basically asshats calling out other asshats for being asshats when all the various asshat factions in question should just get together and have asshat sex and have asshat children. er...not have asshat children, i haven't quite done the asshat math completely.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

in any case, asshats!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Asshat sex sounds, if not exactly mainstream, at least a little cute. I mean...the hats are clearly yellow, are they not?

― Tiny Hats, Indeed, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wow, that PETA episode . . . I mean, pointing out PETA's problems is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but Penn & Teller say the FISH are DEMONIC SEAMONSTERS, the barrel is YOUR POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD, and let's just blow all of it up for shits & giggles. They lost me in the first 30 seconds when they deliberately misdefined "ethical". Penn & Teller have lost a fan, PETA haven't gained one, nobody wins. Fucking libertarian nihilists.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, I think the Center for Cinsumer Freedom guy was jealous of PETA's over the top moves. "They juxtaposed holocaust victims with livestock farms. [Cut out by Penn: They totally stole that move from us.]"

― Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

More upsetting than anything in that ep. was seeing P&T all leathered out. Hello "Sex Over the Phone."

― Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

they also called bush-lite on environmentalism

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

this show suxxx (shockah)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

lol just saw the episode about teachers. damn what a buncha whiners. wahh i get summers off. wahhhh.

― ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

this is some Stossel-level bullshit innit

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

From everything I've read about the show, yes.

Disappointing, really, since P&T television specials used to be awesome.

― kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's more fun to watch if you imagine the people watching aren't the choir, and p/t aren't preaching to it

― Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

The gun control episode is a hoot. "Guns are good, because, uh, freedom is good. And guns = freedom!" I think they even tried a variation on 'overthrowing the multilateralist black helicopter government if need be' line. It was some real Roger Adultery shit.

(nb: and I'm not a supporter of gun control)

― milo z, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

The "Wal-Mart is good" episode kinda pissed me off. I didn't watch any more after that.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

the show is getting worse and worse.

― kenan, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

Not nec., but plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.

― kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

ya too many smart kids w/ no friends reading "the fountainhead" in 7th grade and thinking that it explains why they havent gotten laid

― max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

or maybe they havent gotten laid in 7th grade because theyre only 11.

― max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

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Growing up, these guys were some of my heroes. It was awesome to get another Penn & Teller book for Christmas or seeing them on Letterman.

― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked in one of their books when they said magic is a terrible way to pick up women. It makes people think you are deceitful and crafty and manipulative, which they said is not attractive to women.

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a good way of making women appear from nowhere though.

― Mark G, Monday, 17 January 2011 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

being cut in half is probably a turn-off

― Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Monday, 17 January 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whiney will the Vegas show have the ppl from the British TV contest?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

\o_o/

― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i used to love these guys wish i never woulda watched this horrible show.

glenn beck follows penn on twitter (and muse!)

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

muse about what?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

muse the band

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel silly!
But: Stephanie Meyers likes them ---Glenn Beck likes them, are they the #1 band for Mormons?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

bump

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff

― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'm sure...

Also, for every action there is a reaction.

As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.

― and the hint of parp (ledge), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.

― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians

― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow - he just posted on it for the third time today.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard. Therefore trash pickup is bullshit.

― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's the level of thought these libertarian asshats seem to operate under. Teller is a great magician though. Shame they had to go down this path.

― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard.

this is only true in the short-term duh

― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Teller speaks! Wizard-level misdirection!

― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 14 July 2011 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is still his best piece. Too bad there's not a clean version up without people talking on top.

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 07:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember a "travels around the world" TV series they did, which was excellent and one I'd buy if it were available..

Teller did a bit of a video diary on it.

― Mark G, Thursday, 14 July 2011 09:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

I'm finally watching this show, it's pretty great. The show about going green was so awesome. Some of them present really interesting points of view that I hadn't thought of, and never really see when these topics come up. They must get a lot of shit from leftists. Also, <3 the blonde with the perfect huge tits

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

definitely some interesting POVs on this show, but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from it, it's about the least objective thing on TV right now

― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nothing's objective on TV.

The organic one was awesome too

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

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