Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

ha "Blame Game" is why I said "most" and not "all"

I have played the extended coda to "Runaway" by choice twice; if I am paying attention, I will skip it.

Ionnais - Inane shit = how he lacks personality on the record, how there is no detail, no life. I went into this way back up thread but all his other records are about Kanye whereas this is about 'Kanye'

I'm coming around on this album, mostly b/c I'm traveling & being lazy about what I'm listening to & the "eventness" of it compels me to pick it, and they're digging in therefore; kinda love the coda of "Runaway" actually.

can't read the 1000000 posts but I'd say this album is less "about" ego & more about self-absorption, and is sorta self-aware about this and sorta not

mostly wish it was nastier than it is, so that it could be my imaginary soundtrack to Miles Davis' lost years in the 1970s.

xp

yeah, but "Kanye" happens to be his life/core subject these days, no? so it would be dishonest of him to be writing about 2003-05 Kanye-type shit these days, actually imo. i mean, part of the reason i dig this album so much is cause i literally cannot see where he could go next--it's a horrible cliche, sure, but he does seem to be teetering on some kind of psycho-emotional/aesthetic precipice at the moment. and i honestly don't see how much more "drama" dude can withstand in both his life and career. but that's just me being me, so grain meet salt, etc.

i literally cannot see where he could go next

COVERS ALBUM

haaaaaaa OTM

Kanye Presents The Great American Songbook. First single: "Feels So Good"

I would think he'd go more the "classics of hip-hop" route, wouldn't he?

I mean, just ponder Kanye getting his hands on "It's Like That" or "The Message"

hey some dude, go actually link me to your post and i'll comment on it. i'm not gonna go crate-digging for your opinions

also, maybe i would have responded to it if someone hadn't banned me for a month. so your real beef is with dan in all honesty

oh dip kanye's spaghetti incident would be off the meatrack

I would think he'd go more the "classics of hip-hop" route, wouldn't he?

dude put ma$e in his top 5 rappers of all time, didn't he?

kanye doing "welcome back" with the transiberian orchestra is a vision too beautiful for this world

holiday-themed follow up ftw!

(or maybe Aloha from Kanye in Hawaii: Live via Cybernetic-Implant?)

hey some dude, go actually link me to your post and i'll comment on it. i'm not gonna go crate-digging for your opinions

also, maybe i would have responded to it if someone hadn't banned me for a month. so your real beef is with dan in all honesty

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, hadn't thought about you being banned since you seemed to be reading a lot of threads at the time anyway. i'll try and link it at some point, though. not sure what Dan has to do w/ it though since he's not really one of the people going "if you think this is similar to his older records you are high" though?

from da croup's "kanye vs. beck" thread:

gotta say after this thread i'm now looking forward to Kanye's "record club" phase when he starts holing up with all his friends in Hawaii making loving song-for-song recreations of Harlem World and A Rush Of Blood To The Head

― some dude, Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He is saying it's my fault he got banned.

(as in i assume that's what he was referencing, not saying "crackers is biters")
xpost

oh right duh xpost

gotta say after this thread i'm now looking forward to Kanye's "record club" phase when he starts holing up with all his friends in Hawaii making loving song-for-song recreations of Harlem World and A Rush Of Blood To The Head

― some dude, Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol honestly i was thinking of Dylan's Self-Portrait but this is even better

oh god I am reading the Pitchfork top 10 songs now and the "Runaway" blurb is making me want to kill

Of all the arresting moments on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy-- Nicki Minaj mauling the competition on "Monster", the King Crimson call-and-response of "POWER"-- none is more striking than that instant when the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" dissolves into the sobering piano-tapped intro to "Runaway". It's the sound of Kanye's entire over-Tweeted, Lanvin-lavished, Dubya-dissing universe reduced to one single, lonely chord.

ONE NOTE IS NOT A CHORD, YOU IGNORANT BUFFOON

how can someone be so good at making me want to hate shit I like

run away as fast as you can

who wrote that? (i am endeavouring to be mature and not clicking on or paying all that much attention to p4k this year.)

lol! i'm pretty sure the writer just misspoke.

Stuart Berman

I don't know anything about him other than obv I wish ill on him and all his descendants until the Earth is consumed by the Sun

hahahaha

it is an unpardonable offense to be sure

This is the same writer who said that the more Kanye brags, the more sympathetic and humble he becomes, btw.

kmft at him

he's totally right about Nicki but I'm not quite sure he knows what "call and response" actually is

i literally cannot see where he could go next

http://image.musicimport.biz/sdimages/disk1/399266.jpg

i know right! aaarghh

xp

i literally cannot see where he could go next

the inevitable kanye west/taylor swift duet must be on the horizon.

I will only buy that if Taylor raps and Kanye sings

tbh wrath of dan is what drives my editing process sometimes

the funny thing is they've both already done that xp

im v careful w/ 'texture' vs 'timbre' too (not sure if thats a djp thing)

ha it probably is

but Dan is RITE! p-fork dude shouldn't be writing about ... anything?

do you guys want me to play monday morning editor on this dude

because I totally want to

do it.

also assign him a letter grade plz.

tbh i'm kind of amazed that all made it past the editors - i expect rock critics to be clueless about musical terms but something so obvious shouldn't get past editors

lol who is he on ilx i wonder

if only there was a site that reviewed pitchfork reviews

Okay, for reference:

02. Kanye West [ft. Pusha T]
"Runaway"
[Def Jam / Roc-A-Fella]

Of all the arresting moments on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy-- Nicki Minaj mauling the competition on "Monster", the King Crimson call-and-response of "POWER"-- none is more striking than that instant when the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" dissolves into the sobering piano-tapped intro to "Runaway". It's the sound of Kanye's entire over-Tweeted, Lanvin-lavished, Dubya-dissing universe reduced to one single, lonely chord.

On an album situated perilously on the faultline between ego and insecurity, "Runaway" puts Kanye's contradictory impulses on full display like they're some immaculate museum exhibit. At nine minutes, it is My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy's longest song, but also its simplest and most emotionally direct. It's a sensitive piano ballad inspired by a moment of dick-pic exhibitionism. It's a chronicle of post-breakup depression and regret that, by the time we hit that ubiquitous chorus, has been reframed as a celebration-- and the more Kanye venerates his most loathsome qualities, the more humble and sympathetic a character he becomes. As his recent Tweet-athons about Matt Lauer and Taylor Swift suggest, Kanye tends to get defensive when his dubious behavior is called into question. "Runaway" marks the rare moment where Kanye sides with his detractors-- if the whole world thinks he's a douchebag, well, this one time he's inclined to agree. --Stuart Berman

The big problems in the first paragraph are the incorrect usage of the term "call-and-response" and using "chord" instead of "note". I have minor aesthetic issues with the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" but that's just because I think that song can eat a bag of vomit; I wouldn't change that line if that's his honest opinion.

The second paragraph is a gigantic mess. He is attempting to set up Kanye's aggrandizement as a humanizing tactic but it doesn't work because the chosen verbiage is wholly illogical, culminating in the wholly contradictory sentence the more Kanye venerates his most loathsome qualities, the more humble and sympathetic a character he becomes; the follow-up material leads you to the conclusion that he actually didn't know what "venerate" meant in order for anything to make sense. This isn't even touching on some atrocious singular/collective noun groupings ("Runaway" puts Kanye's contradictory impulses on full display like they're some immaculate museum exhibit).

If I was editing him, I would send this back and tell him to rewrite the entire second half, or I would change it to this:

Of all the arresting moments on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy-- Nicki Minaj mauling the competition on "Monster", the King Crimson sing-along of "POWER"-- none is more striking than that instant when the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" dissolves into the sobering piano-tapped intro to "Runaway". It's the sound of Kanye's entire over-Tweeted, Lanvin-lavished, Dubya-dissing universe reduced to one single, lonely note.

On an album situated perilously on the faultline between ego and insecurity, "Runaway" distills all of Kanye's contradictory impulses into a compelling package and puts it out on display. At nine minutes, it is My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy's longest song, but also its simplest and most emotionally direct. It's a sensitive piano ballad inspired by a moment of dick-pic exhibitionism. It's a chronicle of post-breakup depression and regret that, by the time we hit that ubiquitous chorus, has been reframed as a sarcastic celebration of douchebags and assholes-- and the louder Kanye toasts his most loathsome qualities, the more he reveals the insecurity behind his bravado. As his recent Tweet-athons about Matt Lauer and Taylor Swift suggest, Kanye tends to get defensive when his dubious behavior is called into question. "Runaway" marks the rare moment where Kanye sides with his detractors-- if the whole world thinks he's a douchebag, well, this time he's inclined to agree.

that song can eat a bag of vomit

disturbingly descriptive.

If I was editing him, I would send this back and tell him to rewrite the entire second half stop commissioning him

that's a possibility but let's assume there's a deadline and you need to work with the copy you're given

but he does seem to be teetering on some kind of psycho-emotional/aesthetic precipice at the moment. and i honestly don't see how much more "drama" dude can withstand in both his life and career. but that's just me being me, so grain meet salt, etc.

― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:57 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

hey loannis, you've been one of the most vocal defenders of the album on this thread - just wondering if you could explain why it's inherently interesting that he's on this edge atm, any more interesting than, say, lindsey lohan trying not to fall off the wagon or britney or w/e. is it just extra-music information that informs your listening to the album, adding some kind of warm patina to the whole thing, or does kanye actually address this stuff in an interesting way on the songs?

he uses (and always has used) humour which can definitely be an interesting way of dealing with emotional problems thru your art

lindsey lohan's lyrics use humor too, just unintentionally.