Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

"what album do you wish Kanye made/hope he makes next?

this album! nothing wrong with what he was going for and what it COULD have been is pretty great, the execution's just so poor. luckily diddy actually made that album for us.

!!!!

This album - less of a stupid title, having someone around to tell him to drop the inane shit like he has had on other albums (lol jon brion but if ever there was a dude who needs someone around to keep him focussed it is kanye).

actually, all that "inane shit" happens to be the most attractive stuff on this record; without it, it likely really would be fucking unbearable. but maybe you'd prefer he just hacked-out some fairly standard "ringtone crew approved" type of crap, tho? i mean, god forbid dude actually display any personality on record, right? just give us the skills, man. nothing but the skills. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

uhhh as one of the lone voices for boring skill based rappers in the entire ringtone crew, i think you vastly misread the general consensus of personality vs. skills in the cru.

i think you'll find most ringtone cru favourites this year display tons of personality on their records! just not in such a tedious way as kanye does here.

and i encourage you to check out skyzoo's new record :)

...cue fifteen-minute guitar solo and light/lazer show--to be followed up by lengthy but tasteful drum solo, only to climax with burly display of GONG technique, like, man.

(joeks dudes!)

xps

btw, i certainly didn't mean u, Matt.

no worries at all, just saying my stodgy viewpoints are generally not the norm

rakim 4 lyfe!

^see, i can get behind that. but then, i'm olde. ;_;

tbh if he dropped the codas off of most of the songs, there would be fewer reservations about it; I think the album's biggest problem its inability to figure out when songs wear out their welcome

i dunno, that never bothered me--luv the coda to "Runaway," for example.

yeah...other than thinking that "Runaway"'s extended album mix was unnecessary and thinking "Dark Fantasy" has too many choruses, song length isn't necessarily my biggest complaint here (i actually think the length of "Blame Game" is one of its strengths!). i'm not crazy about how long the songs are, but if each had a minute or two chopped off i'm not sure my opinion of them would change that much. that's just me, though.

ha "Blame Game" is why I said "most" and not "all"

I have played the extended coda to "Runaway" by choice twice; if I am paying attention, I will skip it.

Ionnais - Inane shit = how he lacks personality on the record, how there is no detail, no life. I went into this way back up thread but all his other records are about Kanye whereas this is about 'Kanye'

I'm coming around on this album, mostly b/c I'm traveling & being lazy about what I'm listening to & the "eventness" of it compels me to pick it, and they're digging in therefore; kinda love the coda of "Runaway" actually.

can't read the 1000000 posts but I'd say this album is less "about" ego & more about self-absorption, and is sorta self-aware about this and sorta not

mostly wish it was nastier than it is, so that it could be my imaginary soundtrack to Miles Davis' lost years in the 1970s.

xp

yeah, but "Kanye" happens to be his life/core subject these days, no? so it would be dishonest of him to be writing about 2003-05 Kanye-type shit these days, actually imo. i mean, part of the reason i dig this album so much is cause i literally cannot see where he could go next--it's a horrible cliche, sure, but he does seem to be teetering on some kind of psycho-emotional/aesthetic precipice at the moment. and i honestly don't see how much more "drama" dude can withstand in both his life and career. but that's just me being me, so grain meet salt, etc.

i literally cannot see where he could go next

COVERS ALBUM

haaaaaaa OTM

Kanye Presents The Great American Songbook. First single: "Feels So Good"

I would think he'd go more the "classics of hip-hop" route, wouldn't he?

I mean, just ponder Kanye getting his hands on "It's Like That" or "The Message"

hey some dude, go actually link me to your post and i'll comment on it. i'm not gonna go crate-digging for your opinions

also, maybe i would have responded to it if someone hadn't banned me for a month. so your real beef is with dan in all honesty

oh dip kanye's spaghetti incident would be off the meatrack

I would think he'd go more the "classics of hip-hop" route, wouldn't he?

dude put ma$e in his top 5 rappers of all time, didn't he?

kanye doing "welcome back" with the transiberian orchestra is a vision too beautiful for this world

holiday-themed follow up ftw!

(or maybe Aloha from Kanye in Hawaii: Live via Cybernetic-Implant?)

hey some dude, go actually link me to your post and i'll comment on it. i'm not gonna go crate-digging for your opinions

also, maybe i would have responded to it if someone hadn't banned me for a month. so your real beef is with dan in all honesty

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, hadn't thought about you being banned since you seemed to be reading a lot of threads at the time anyway. i'll try and link it at some point, though. not sure what Dan has to do w/ it though since he's not really one of the people going "if you think this is similar to his older records you are high" though?

from da croup's "kanye vs. beck" thread:

gotta say after this thread i'm now looking forward to Kanye's "record club" phase when he starts holing up with all his friends in Hawaii making loving song-for-song recreations of Harlem World and A Rush Of Blood To The Head

― some dude, Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He is saying it's my fault he got banned.

(as in i assume that's what he was referencing, not saying "crackers is biters")
xpost

oh right duh xpost

gotta say after this thread i'm now looking forward to Kanye's "record club" phase when he starts holing up with all his friends in Hawaii making loving song-for-song recreations of Harlem World and A Rush Of Blood To The Head

― some dude, Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol honestly i was thinking of Dylan's Self-Portrait but this is even better

oh god I am reading the Pitchfork top 10 songs now and the "Runaway" blurb is making me want to kill

Of all the arresting moments on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy-- Nicki Minaj mauling the competition on "Monster", the King Crimson call-and-response of "POWER"-- none is more striking than that instant when the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" dissolves into the sobering piano-tapped intro to "Runaway". It's the sound of Kanye's entire over-Tweeted, Lanvin-lavished, Dubya-dissing universe reduced to one single, lonely chord.

ONE NOTE IS NOT A CHORD, YOU IGNORANT BUFFOON

how can someone be so good at making me want to hate shit I like

run away as fast as you can

who wrote that? (i am endeavouring to be mature and not clicking on or paying all that much attention to p4k this year.)

lol! i'm pretty sure the writer just misspoke.

Stuart Berman

I don't know anything about him other than obv I wish ill on him and all his descendants until the Earth is consumed by the Sun

hahahaha

it is an unpardonable offense to be sure

This is the same writer who said that the more Kanye brags, the more sympathetic and humble he becomes, btw.

kmft at him

he's totally right about Nicki but I'm not quite sure he knows what "call and response" actually is

i literally cannot see where he could go next

http://image.musicimport.biz/sdimages/disk1/399266.jpg

i know right! aaarghh

xp

i literally cannot see where he could go next

the inevitable kanye west/taylor swift duet must be on the horizon.

I will only buy that if Taylor raps and Kanye sings

tbh wrath of dan is what drives my editing process sometimes

the funny thing is they've both already done that xp

im v careful w/ 'texture' vs 'timbre' too (not sure if thats a djp thing)

ha it probably is

but Dan is RITE! p-fork dude shouldn't be writing about ... anything?