2010 Magazine's Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion

the fucking e-40 record had more weird beats than the big boi

lots of xps...

Obv the Wire does have a hip-hop column and it's probably the column that engages with the "mainstream" more than any other, but I didn't notice Big Boi break out of that area into any other areas of the magazine in the way that past Wire kind-of-hiphop favourites like Anti-Pop Consortium/Def Jux did.

It's cool they liked the album, it was just a bit of a surprise is all.

"Why is the Wire talking about the lush, seismic electronic textures that are similar to the shit that's on Emeralds records when they're clearly missing discussing the debt Big Boi's flow owes to the bay area"

ok i am sorry for not remembering every thing drumma boi made, just the one on the second biggest rap record of the year. also lol 'but it sounds like jedi mind tricks!' for so many reasons

imo residual outkast love, which made up 50% of the record's praise in general crit circles, is what drove this so high, its a good record but hardly definitive of our era in rap, nor is it some kind of sonic harbringer of new sounds or in any kind of avant vanguard of any kind. its just some dope songs & some iffy songs & less chemistry than outkast ever had together

"Why is the Wire talking about the lush, seismic electronic textures that are similar to the shit that's on Emeralds records when they're clearly missing discussing the debt Big Boi's flow owes to the bay area"

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:59 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

notice im ignoring your terrible zings

"definitive of our era in rap" would be... Drake

big boi has "less chemistry" with... big boi?

i really dont care whether something is "definitive of our era". if its good, its good.

xpopst NO DUDE THE JACKA

"its a good record but hardly definitive of our era in rap"

Yeah, I LIKE it for this reason exactly

"notice im ignoring your terrible zings"

Doing a real bang-up job of ignoring me as usual

"definitive of our era in rap" would be... Drake

― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:01 AM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hes definitive of one aspect of it, yes

i really dont care whether something is "definitive of our era". if its good, its good.

otm

xpopst NO DUDE THE JACKA

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:01 AM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never claimed he was. hey, im sbing you for trying to start another clusterfuck

i really dont care whether something is "definitive of our era". if its good, its good.

otm

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:02 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

& the big boi record is just ok

yes whiney and not deej is the reason this is becoming rmde

well I think it is more than "just ok" OK? Jesus boy.

am i just not allowed to disagree or make any points at all any more? im entirely not zinging, or being confrontational, just think its a silly choice for a wire list .... kind of wack imo

whiney is the one bringing ad homs, zinging, & generally being a dick itt yes

you are allowed to but recently you have been on some "my opinions are right and if you think different you are rong and dishonest and should die" type ish and its fucking annoying

Guys, Wire isn't always about finding "sonic harbringer of new sounds" and avant vanguard. Notice Joanna Newsom at #4 on the list.

i dunno, i think Big Boi makes total sense. but then again, I'm A) Wire's target audience and B) in love with the Big Boi record, so i dunno

you are allowed to but recently you have been on some "my opinions are right and if you think different you are rong and dishonest and should die" type ish and its fucking annoying

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:06 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who am i telling to die?

yall overreact every time i disagree with something, chill the fuck out

regardless of whether the big boi album is an avant-garde wonder or not - what does this have to do with whether the wire should hive it props? should the wire stick rigidly to an orthodoxy partially being imposed from outside? why shouldn't it reward whatever it feels like? not every publication does criticism-by-consensus-hivemind like p4k, for which i am v grateful

*give it props

well the ironic thing about that is that Big Boi has appeared on a ton of these lists

How do you break down "this is here by hivemind fiat" from "this is here because a bunch of people actually liked it"?

lol i love that you don't disagree with my main point of thinking people who disagree with you as being rong and dishonest. the should die thing was hyperbole.

because people like arguing with me xp

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i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

xps to dan

i think people who disagree with me are wrong, yes. thats the nature of it.
i explained why i thought one example of lex's writing was dishonest in the kanye thread. reread that argument & we dont have to rehash it here

xpost, uh, EVERY publication does that, just P4k does it more intensely

no publication i've ever written for has done it!

well every publication i've ever written for does it, so i don't know what to tell you

xxxxxp again

Yep (to Lex). Lil B "Rain in England" getting a write-up in the main reviews section (not that they liked it) is the kind of pandering to a house aesthetic that the Wire does do (wow! mainstreamish hip-hop guy makes an album that will alienate mainstream hiphop fans!), ranking Big Boi is a refreshingly unexpected move.

i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

xps to dan

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:10 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL

rip everett true

Clusterfuck-avoiding xposts. I like it when they choose atypical tracks - not just Rill Rill but Sprawl II. It's the tracks list so it favours standalone songs over ones that are necessarily representative of the album.

I love Rill Rill because it has a whopping great sample from my favourite Funkadelic track. It's also the only Sleigh Bells track I can listen to with the fierce headache I've had all day.

Nice to see some recognition of Prins Thomas - I can see why it disappointed people but it's a good stoner krautrock record.

Yep (to Lex). Lil B "Rain in England" getting a write-up in the main reviews section (not that they liked it) is the kind of pandering to a house aesthetic that the Wire does do (wow! mainstreamish hip-hop guy makes an album that will alienate mainstream hiphop fans!), ranking Big Boi is a refreshingly unexpected move.

― seandalai, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:13 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Lil B & Odd Future are exactly who the Wire should be ranking in year end ish.

and they did?

i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

Well, Pitchfork is basically the textbook definition of "I WANNA BE A TASTEMAKER" so that's not only is that particularly surprising to me, it's completely expected (I didn't see that discussion/article and honestly couldn't care less about it).

and they did?

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:15 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

Nice to see some recognition of Prins Thomas - I can see why it disappointed people but it's a good stoner krautrock record.

dorian did you ever hear the bjørn torske album? maybe my favourite artist album in the balearic disco field this year. been kinda overlooked.

i think we can officially declare pfork a tastemaker by nw

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:16 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

could just be that they liked it?

no, that could never happen

Anyone willing and able to post any of the specialist charts from the Wire, pretty please??

then again that sounds like a pretty cruddy low kbps rip. (If it's meant to sound like that then I don't know what to think.)

ned, as someone who adores loveless, aka "is it MEANT to sound like this?? is my record player broken???" -- i would honestly think you are among the ideal target audience for sleigh bells -- there's a lot of parallels to be drawn there, right?

OK, I give up: what does "rdme" mean? (Probably just "read me" or something obvious, right?)