Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

xxpost btw

at least it parallels the kanye album (overwrought, really stupid in parts, occasional glimpses of greatness but then is weighted back down by its flaws, goes on and on and on with no end in sight)

― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, December 13, 2010 10:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

this is becoming the "pitchfork reviews reviews reviews" "joke" of this thread -- which makes sense considering it was ilxor that dropped it

he says both "power" & "powder" & it's fairly obvious

moodles is right - first time thru is "power" 2nd time is "powder"

^ yeah this. he's saying "power" at first, then switches it up

though conceding the point seems out of spirit with this thread

this is becoming the "pitchfork reviews reviews reviews" "joke" of this thread -- which makes sense considering it was ilxor that dropped it

thanks...? hah!

i...can't think of a single rap song that mentions mojitos :(

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mojito-Bounce-Remix/dp/B0033M05LG

i love the clip of that song!! gonna def buy at least that track on sight, but is the whole album worth getting?

uh, the rest of the album is straight new orleans brass band, no electronic beats. i don't think you would like it lex :/ (it's a band i play in, and i did that remix as a bonus track)

(but i'm glad you like the bounce version!)

i played some of the other clips and liked them too! i don't know anything about brass band stuff but always nice to try it out, seems like an ideal time.

on topic: a couple of producer/djs i know are currently bitching about how bad the mastering on the kanye record is. "opulent" my ass.

*(on twitter)

i thought the same thing, but withheld judgment because i've only heard it online. apparently the mastering dude (vlado meller) has done a lot of the major label rock stuff that audiophiles complain abou).

maybe the vinyl will zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

so I still fucks with this album sometimes
catch myself humming parts of it
daydreaming abt
"trippin off the pow[d]er"
"toasts 4 the douchebags"
etc

when he says shit like
"I was drinkin earlier, now I'm drivin"
or sings "satan, satan, satan" in a silly voice
feels like a deliberate provocation
like he wants some1 to call him a "motherfucking monster" and really mean it

(is kanye west a 'troll'? [via exposure to viral trolling memes [via too much twitter??]])

maybe when he calls the album a fantasy
he really means our 'dark twisted fantasy'
about what is going on in kanye west's 'beautiful mind'

like because everyone wants 2 see 'the real kanye'
understand what he's thinking
(whereas he is just generally 'sick of their bullshit')
he decides 2 invent a character

'evil dark twisted kanye'

who is equal parts silly/goofy/nonthreatening ("I put the pussy in a sarcophagus!"), decadent (??), tiresome (but this is as much 'our'/the media's fault as kanye's, b/c of only caring about the most tiresome shit)

feels like the chris rock skit is the test for whether or not u 'get' the album. it's all about the framing: kanye's doing a heartfelt(ish) relationship song, and then at the end he says "your phone accidentally called me back and I heard the whole thing" — "the whole thing" presumably being loud sexual intercourse between kanye's ex and another man.

which would obviously be an awful thing to get a voicemail of. but then he takes it one step further: not only does he hear them have sex (although, significantly, we don't), he hears the dude talk at length about how incredible the sex was!! my friends, you won't find

then uh things get a little weird with the whole "yeezy taught me" gag, and I don't really know what to make of it, except that somehow this feeds back into kanye's possessiveness and the feeling of lacking/being robbed of something that is rightfully his (woman allegorical of art here?); or that something/someone kanye formed is now indiscriminately giving pleasure to others (the horror!). but chris rock says he's "gotta thank yeezy!", which suggests a happy ending of some sort.

my bigger point is... well I forgot, but it had something to do with how all of this presented, from kanye's perspective, as part of some agonizing, fucked-up private drama. which is a contrast to, and perhaps the truth of, the equally fucked-up public drama of the kanye west persona, motivations, etc. but the public and the private bleed into each other in weird ways. I dunno. fuck it, I'm hitting "submit post", love you yeezy

my friends, you won't find

oh whoops, this was gonna be a joke abt how you "won't find better comedy outside of a 2&1/2 Men rerun!" or something but I forgot to write it

stoned much? :)

haha heartfelt relationship songs about choking a girl in a bathroom

i see ppl talking about the "satan satan satan" thing and i'm not 100% sure everyone is getting the reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rbzA-2nqk

???

lol A+

http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2010/05/10/1273512406-seitan-sweet-and-sour.jpg

pretty sure I get the reference and I proclaim it... delicious

haha heartfelt relationship songs about choking a girl in a bathroom

― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 13, 2010 10:55 PM (45 minutes ago)

whatevs dude

heartfelt choking a girl in a bathroom vs. affected, ironic choking a girl in a bathroom

the more Kanye venerates his most loathsome qualities, the more humble and sympathetic a character he becomes

^ from the pitchfork top songs list. i guess this seems kind of tame after "runaway" was described as a "rallying cry for all humanity" in the album review, but still...wtf

how does that make any sense

agree it makes no sense but it's pretty standard critical privileging of "art that DARES to DELVE into the DARKEST RECESSES of the SOUL" coupled with - also standard - critical self-loathing

you see guys, in the end, kanye was just one of us

dunno, his peen is way bigger than mine

maybe he just forgot to look up what "venerates" means

A pox on whoever posted orange beef or whatever that is six posts up. I'm starving.

it's seitan...seitan...seitan...

....

ha as someone who likes this album a hell of a lot more than most of the loudest people on this thread, even I think that Pitchfork sentence makes zero (0) fucking sense

^^^what he sed.

i listened to the back half of this on the train today--it's really not as bad as i remembered. i might upgrade the whole thing from like a 3/10 to a 5/10.

we haven't talked enough about the "fuck with the lights on" breakdown! wish there was more stuff like that on this album.

more seitan on this thread plz

I guess the idea is maybe that Kanye somehow 'venerates' his loathsome qualities by discussing or airing them in the context of celebratory pop songs or something (ignoring for the moment the fact that that music has gotten less fun as he's gotten more 'introspective') — like, if you're gonna talk about something in a rap song that gets played on the radio, you must ascribe a certain importance to it, even if it's only "something that a bunch of ppl can relate to" ("Now I ain't sayin' she a gold-digger, but... fellas, you know what I'm talkin' about!" — the rapper as stand-up comic, which is a sort of suggestive idea that I've been into lately) — but anyway then the importance/'veneration' he attaches to his own flaws makes him a more sympathetic character (important word!) because, like many of us, he knows what those flaws are, but doesn't/can't change them — just talks a lot instead.

this is of course a fairly bleak aesthetic that reduces music to existential comfort-food, but don't shoot the messenger okay?

Kanye on record is a myriad of different things.

None of those things are "humble" or "sympathetic".

Some of these writers need to learn the language they are writing in.

kinda feel that most of these arguments for this record boil down to "ooh, contradictions! interesting! because these contradictions actually lead to a conclusion opposite to the one we all assumed!"

very amateur-hour

i mean, if lex thinks this sounds like a retread to him, then i think he's out of his fucking mind; but that doesn't exactly mean he's writing it to be intentionally misleading

― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 13, 2010 12:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i wrote a lengthy post upthread explaining song-by-song why this album pretty much sounds like L808 Gradustration to me, i'd be happy to hear a counterpoint

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i mean i actually think it's totally fine that Kanye has a core signature sound that he never quite escapes no matter how daring or creative he tries to be, i just think people should engage with the sound they're hearing more than the one he was trying to make (xpost)

i don't know how many times you can post in one thread before it comes off a little weird to make "smh @ how long this thread is" jokes but i think you passed it a while ago DJP fwiw fyi imo

haha i think you could as easily say about your review 'i wish he would engage with the sound hes hearing more than the album he wishes kanye made'

i don't know how many times you can post in one thread before it comes off a little weird to make "smh @ how long this thread is" jokes but i think you passed it a while ago DJP fwiw fyi imo

um, I was pointing out a likely reason why people hadn't responded to your lengthy post but, you know, continue being hyper-defensive, it's an awesome look on you

i think ppl did respond to his post actually

Apparently he didn't read it!

i don't know how many times you can post in one thread before it comes off a little weird to make "smh @ how long this thread is" jokes but i think you passed it a while ago DJP fwiw fyi imo

um, I was pointing out a likely reason why people hadn't responded to your lengthy post but, you know, continue being hyper-defensive, it's an awesome look on you

― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:54 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it was a silly zing! i would've said it to any of the 10 most frequent posters in this thread if they'd said what you said. if i can't just randomly say things to you that i would say to anyone without it being taken super personal, that's not ME being hyper defensive.

also i wasn't crying about my post not being responded to the first time, i was inviting Whiney to say something more nuanced in defense of this record than his tweets about it or his tweet-length posts ITT.