Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

yeah but imo insight trumps all

if a writer is describing something that i dont hear -- after reading it & giving it another shot to hear that particular characteristic -- especially when it seems like the writer is involved in a partisan project to convince me of its cultural value / lack thereof -- im probably not going to be very into that review gonna call that writer dishonest

fixed that for you

well, if he misrepresents something, yes

every time i write a review, damn str8 i'm trying to convince the reader of an album or artist's cultural import/lack thereof

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 13, 2010 10:31 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

even if it means saying a kanye record sounds just like his old ones, when this is blatantly not the case?

*marks bingo card*

deej for all the time you seem to have spent thinking about my review, i'm not convinced you've actually read it, or indeed clocked that it's a 150-word capsule review and therefore by its very nature not going to go into great detail or justifications

xp wtf have i "misrepresented"? are you seriously going to try to have this argument again? why don't you just come out with it and call me a liar? this, fyi, is the point at which i would dump a drink on your head if you were saying this shit to me IRL

even if it means saying a kanye record sounds just like his old ones, when this is blatantly not the case?

in your opinion

for chrissakes we covered this already, both al and i actually took the time to explain this to you in detail. are you this fucking annoying IRL?

well, im going to stop arguing this now because lex is threatening to dump drinks on me & dayo is trolling w/ typical uselessness

al's argument was far more nuanced -- he suggested that the album based itself on ideas from older kanye tracks but what was added was not worthwhile & in fact made the songs worse -- a subtle distinction to you maybe but it makes a diff imo, its not the same as blatantly retreading his older stuff

im going to stop arguing this now

let's fucking hope

he suggested that the album based itself on ideas from older kanye tracks but what was added was not worthwhile & in fact made the songs worse -- a subtle distinction to you maybe but it makes a diff imo, its not the same as blatantly retreading his older stuff

i don't know if you're able to count, but untangling it like this takes up a third of my word count. i'll take using the one word "retread" instead.

if you're calling deej a retard, you spelled it wrong

Jesus deej, you just keep going around in circles huh? Were you born with a stumpy left leg?

done arguing now, just here to lol @ me having the rep for being butthurt when yall are the ones calling me retarded & saying you would throw drinks on me irl

i just sorta lol @ the idea that throwing a drink on someone is a thing that actually happens outside of sitcoms

*splash*

*beat*

"well that went well"

*laff track*

i bet lex drinks fancy cocktails so it would at least taste good

maybe thats how they do in britain. deej is lucky he didn't challenge him to a duel

someone link me to lex's review so i can pick a side

someone link me to lex's review so i can pick a side cocktail

i have thrown drinks over people before! it's very satisfying and ~cathartic~ (though not as much as punching someone in the wisdom tooth)

lol @ the idea that deej wouldn't be 500 times as butthurt if someone called his writing dishonest or deceptive

i wouldn't throw a cocktail obv - too much of a waste, not enough liquid. a pint will suffice.

lex, show me this scandalous review

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/25/kanye-west-beautiful-dark-twisted-review

its way upthread iirc

i think lex is right in that deej is kinda asking a lot of a capsule review. i have no idea about lex's readership, but i always thought the point of capsule reviews was that you either trusted the critic's taste from experience, or didn't. like "oh, ____ thought it was shit? ok, i'll take a pass for now." too much nuance in something that short kinda defeats the purpose, imo, and can make me wonder why i even bothered reading in the first place. if yr gonna give me something in 150 words or less, i'd rather you stake out a clear position. but that's just me, obv

xps

yeah, OK, rong as fuck but certainly not deceptive

i mean, if lex thinks this sounds like a retread to him, then i think he's out of his fucking mind; but that doesn't exactly mean he's writing it to be intentionally misleading

yeah, i don't actually even agree with lex's review, either. plus it's so clearly ~his opinion~ that i really don't understand this whole 'deception/dishonesty' business. there's nothing even remotely approaching objectivity, feigned or not, that you could call out for being misleading! he thinks its shit, and says so!

see, "rong as fuck", we can have a civil debate on that (and have done for much of this thread); "deceptive" is pretty insulting, and i feel justified in any and all fuck yous/drinks poured that ensue

tbh i found lex's 150 word capsule review way more informative than dombal's 1500 word review

it seems like what people think im accusing lex of vs. what im actually trying to communicate are getting lost in translation, so:

i have no problem with lex taking a stand against the album, im not asking him to waver or be wishy-washy or hide his distaste behind 'but it also does this well.' im just saying that a single statement within the review struck me as being blatently inaccurate, led me to the conclusion that either a) lex either isnt listening to the same record i am, or b) he got carried away in wanting to slam the record -- as i admitted sometimes happens to me when im writing reviews too! not claiming to be above it & even gave a personal example! -- and said something that he would have trouble supporting

since then, he argued that this was more a word count issue, which, ok, but it still doesnt mean the same thing & feels like stating something inaccurate.

obv, ppl are reacting strongly to my use of 'honesty' but ive found using that term when dealing w my own writing is helpful in reminding me to be as truthful as possible, to not get caught up in ax-grinding when trying to explain my take on a particular record

in writing this, im not trying to continue the supposed 'clusterfuck' but to communicate as clearly as possible

i apologize if lex took this personally, ive enjoyed his writing plenty of times before & this isnt an attempt to discredit him or something

tl;dr

j/k -- i kinda think deej is otm here guys

this is thread that other clusterfucks aspire to

lex what's your drink of choice?

no one cares about kanye west anymore y'all! read yr blogs!

veuve clicquot

xp

or a good long island iced tea

What was that poolside cocktail we ordered?

or y'know just some decent wine - white if i envisage getting overly drunk on it, red if i envisage being sensible

xp that was basically a champagne mojito, i forget what they called it

a "chelsea" iirc?

"Champagne Mojito" = rejected Gucci Mane-Ne-Yo-Kanye collab.

long island ice teas are stern mistress IMO, get u twisted.

also...xpost to several lifetimes ago...

i'm now fairly confident he's saying "Trippin' off the power" NOT "Trippin' off the powder"

:-(

i...can't think of a single rap song that mentions mojitos :(

i'm now fairly confident he's saying "Trippin' off the power" NOT "Trippin' off the powder"

third time through, i'm pretty confident he says "powder". have to relisten when i get home.

so make one!

i'm now fairly confident he's saying "Trippin' off the power" NOT "Trippin' off the powder"

― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 13, 2010 2:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Pretty sure he says both at different points.

xxpost btw