worst thread ever
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
at least it parallels the kanye album (overwrought, really stupid in parts, occasional glimpses of greatness but then is weighted back down by its flaws, goes on and on and on with no end in sight)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. OK, I get your point now. I don't see it as subjectivity vs fact but yeah, it's hard not to get swept up in the moment, whether that's a general cultural mood or just the force of your own initial reactions. I'm not sure whether later, more distanced reactions are any more precise or genuine though - heat-of-the-moment can be genuine even if you later row back a little.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
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― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
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― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
but this stoop has the best view
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, December 13, 2010 11:19 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
well now that you're here
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
next kanye album thread needs to be treated like Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion (2009)
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, December 13, 2010 10:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think i tend to get more from reviews that tell me something that i, too, see in the record, then discuss how those things function, whether for good or bad. if a writer is describing something that i dont hear -- after reading it & giving it another shot to hear that particular characteristic -- especially when it seems like the writer is involved in a partisan project to convince me of its cultural value / lack thereof -- im probably not going to be very into that review. im less interested in the war between thumbs up vs. thumbs down.
this goes for whether i like or dont like or am ambivalent about a record, i think
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^i might be overstating things a bit here, not sure, have 2 reflect
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i find the idea that opinions are only genuine if they're somewhat tempered to be really odd. is this a US/UK divide? i remember back in the stylus jukebox days, all the US writers would hand out marks between 5 and 7, for EVERYTHING, whereas in the UK version you were assured every week of multiple 0s and 10s.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
a partisan project
every piece of criticism is a "partisan project" o_0
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
every time i write a review, damn str8 i'm trying to convince the reader of an album or artist's cultural import/lack thereof
i think i tend to get more from reviews that tell me something that i, too, see in the record, then discuss how those things function, whether for good or bad.
^^ caveat that sometimes they can open up something i hadnt heard originally, but do on re-listening
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but imo insight trumps all
if a writer is describing something that i dont hear -- after reading it & giving it another shot to hear that particular characteristic -- especially when it seems like the writer is involved in a partisan project to convince me of its cultural value / lack thereof -- im probably not going to be very into that review gonna call that writer dishonest
fixed that for you
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
well, if he misrepresents something, yes
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 13, 2010 10:31 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
even if it means saying a kanye record sounds just like his old ones, when this is blatantly not the case?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
*marks bingo card*
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
deej for all the time you seem to have spent thinking about my review, i'm not convinced you've actually read it, or indeed clocked that it's a 150-word capsule review and therefore by its very nature not going to go into great detail or justifications
xp wtf have i "misrepresented"? are you seriously going to try to have this argument again? why don't you just come out with it and call me a liar? this, fyi, is the point at which i would dump a drink on your head if you were saying this shit to me IRL
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
in your opinion
for chrissakes we covered this already, both al and i actually took the time to explain this to you in detail. are you this fucking annoying IRL?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
well, im going to stop arguing this now because lex is threatening to dump drinks on me & dayo is trolling w/ typical uselessness
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
al's argument was far more nuanced -- he suggested that the album based itself on ideas from older kanye tracks but what was added was not worthwhile & in fact made the songs worse -- a subtle distinction to you maybe but it makes a diff imo, its not the same as blatantly retreading his older stuff
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
im going to stop arguing this now
let's fucking hope
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
he suggested that the album based itself on ideas from older kanye tracks but what was added was not worthwhile & in fact made the songs worse -- a subtle distinction to you maybe but it makes a diff imo, its not the same as blatantly retreading his older stuff
i don't know if you're able to count, but untangling it like this takes up a third of my word count. i'll take using the one word "retread" instead.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
if you're calling deej a retard, you spelled it wrong
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Jesus deej, you just keep going around in circles huh? Were you born with a stumpy left leg?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
done arguing now, just here to lol @ me having the rep for being butthurt when yall are the ones calling me retarded & saying you would throw drinks on me irl
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i just sorta lol @ the idea that throwing a drink on someone is a thing that actually happens outside of sitcoms
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
*splash*
*beat*
"well that went well"
*laff track*
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet lex drinks fancy cocktails so it would at least taste good
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe thats how they do in britain. deej is lucky he didn't challenge him to a duel
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
someone link me to lex's review so i can pick a side
someone link me to lex's review so i can pick a side cocktail
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i have thrown drinks over people before! it's very satisfying and ~cathartic~ (though not as much as punching someone in the wisdom tooth)
lol @ the idea that deej wouldn't be 500 times as butthurt if someone called his writing dishonest or deceptive
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i wouldn't throw a cocktail obv - too much of a waste, not enough liquid. a pint will suffice.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lex, show me this scandalous review
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/25/kanye-west-beautiful-dark-twisted-review
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
its way upthread iirc
i think lex is right in that deej is kinda asking a lot of a capsule review. i have no idea about lex's readership, but i always thought the point of capsule reviews was that you either trusted the critic's taste from experience, or didn't. like "oh, ____ thought it was shit? ok, i'll take a pass for now." too much nuance in something that short kinda defeats the purpose, imo, and can make me wonder why i even bothered reading in the first place. if yr gonna give me something in 150 words or less, i'd rather you stake out a clear position. but that's just me, obv
xps
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, OK, rong as fuck but certainly not deceptive
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, if lex thinks this sounds like a retread to him, then i think he's out of his fucking mind; but that doesn't exactly mean he's writing it to be intentionally misleading
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i don't actually even agree with lex's review, either. plus it's so clearly ~his opinion~ that i really don't understand this whole 'deception/dishonesty' business. there's nothing even remotely approaching objectivity, feigned or not, that you could call out for being misleading! he thinks its shit, and says so!
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
see, "rong as fuck", we can have a civil debate on that (and have done for much of this thread); "deceptive" is pretty insulting, and i feel justified in any and all fuck yous/drinks poured that ensue
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i found lex's 150 word capsule review way more informative than dombal's 1500 word review
― prolego, Monday, 13 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it seems like what people think im accusing lex of vs. what im actually trying to communicate are getting lost in translation, so:
i have no problem with lex taking a stand against the album, im not asking him to waver or be wishy-washy or hide his distaste behind 'but it also does this well.' im just saying that a single statement within the review struck me as being blatently inaccurate, led me to the conclusion that either a) lex either isnt listening to the same record i am, or b) he got carried away in wanting to slam the record -- as i admitted sometimes happens to me when im writing reviews too! not claiming to be above it & even gave a personal example! -- and said something that he would have trouble supporting
since then, he argued that this was more a word count issue, which, ok, but it still doesnt mean the same thing & feels like stating something inaccurate.
obv, ppl are reacting strongly to my use of 'honesty' but ive found using that term when dealing w my own writing is helpful in reminding me to be as truthful as possible, to not get caught up in ax-grinding when trying to explain my take on a particular record
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
in writing this, im not trying to continue the supposed 'clusterfuck' but to communicate as clearly as possible
i apologize if lex took this personally, ive enjoyed his writing plenty of times before & this isnt an attempt to discredit him or something
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tl;dr
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 13 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
j/k -- i kinda think deej is otm here guys
this is thread that other clusterfucks aspire to
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 13 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lex what's your drink of choice?
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link